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Oh I didn't realize amiibos actually learn behavior, I thought that was bullshit advertisement-speak for "they level up and are more difficult". If they learn something can you retrain them by fighting differently or do you need to erase them and start over?
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Can you use your amiibo to play group classic mode or are they just for regular smash mode?
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Nov 24, 2014 20:02
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Shelf Adventure posted:Can you train Amiibos to be really terrible at fighting? Like if you go into a match with an Amiibo and just keep taunting over and over will they learn that? Pay no attention to Mario, we trained him wrong, as a joke.
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Nov 24, 2014 20:04
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Kly posted:Can you use your amiibo to play group classic mode or are they just for regular smash mode? They don't work in group classic, which is bullshit!! That was like the very first thing I wanted to do, too.
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Nov 24, 2014 20:12
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oh, thats lame. What's the point then? Just to have an opponent who's better then the intentionally gimped AI of the CPU? So basically nintendo made poo poo base AI for the characters so they could have good AI on their $14 toys?
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Nov 24, 2014 20:17
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It sure seems that way. e: Also I may be a bad teacher but I have been specifically teaching Samus to taunt after each kill, and she won't loving do it. What a rip off. RyokoTK fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Nov 24, 2014 |
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Nov 24, 2014 20:18
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RyokoTK posted:It sure seems that way. I doubt you can actually teach your amiibos anything. Or at least, you can't teach them gimmicky annoying poo poo. I sat a 99 stock infinite time match for my three amiibos two times and now they're all level 50 and I don't know what else to do with them. I think I got suckered by the 'living toy' market again. These will collect dust nicely next to my stupid Skylanders and Disney Infinity figs.
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Nov 24, 2014 20:35
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matrix ripoff posted:I doubt you can actually teach your amiibos anything. Or at least, you can't teach them gimmicky annoying poo poo. See I was under the impression that that was what they were for. I guess I got suckered into it too. It took about 90 minutes, maybe less, to get Samus boosted to level 50. Apparently all she knows how to do now is fear me because the last match I played, she spent the entire thing sprinting away from me and shooting missiles at me.  e: And really she doesn't fight any differently than level 7-9 CPUs. Just air-dodges everything I try to do but can't chain two attacks together to save her life. And you can't use them in group classic mode, which I'm actually pretty salty about. RyokoTK fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Nov 24, 2014 |
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Nov 24, 2014 20:39
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Seems like a missed opportunity to not let you use your amiibo buddy to fill in for local coop modes. My son is getting a Luigi one for christmas and i was hoping id be able to train it up to help him play when im not around.
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Nov 24, 2014 20:54
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...After taking a break, I started playing again and scanned the amiibo only to find that she's level 1 again. This isn't intended behavior, is it?
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Nov 24, 2014 21:15
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matrix ripoff posted:I doubt you can actually teach your amiibos anything. Or at least, you can't teach them gimmicky annoying poo poo. Serious question, and I mean no disrespect, but are there people out there above the age of 13 that actually play skylanders? Don't get me wrong, my son is 8 and he has a million of those drat things, but he's not so good at video games so he asks me to help him sometimes and when I played those games I thought they were the epitome of 'not fun'. Of course, now he has so many skylanders that it doesn't matter how bad he is at games, he still rolls through the game with no challenge. I could just be jealous that I didn't come up with the idea for skylanders though, talk about a license to print money. I watch him play skylanders and it just makes me sad that he could be playing a really well designed and well thought out mario game instead  . I think he beat the last skylanders on Christmas Day last year, and I'm not sure if he's really touched it since then...
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RyokoTK posted:...After taking a break, I started playing again and scanned the amiibo only to find that she's level 1 again. When you quit out of Smash mode, you're supposed to scan in your Amiibo to save its progress. Don't just turn the system off or quit to the menu without backing out of the character select screen proper. DoctaFun posted:Serious question, and I mean no disrespect, but are there people out there above the age of 13 that actually play skylanders? I have a good friend who's 21 and he plays Skylanders.
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Nov 24, 2014 21:17
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There's lovely gamers who like bad games of all ages.
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ChaosArgate posted:When you quit out of Smash mode, you're supposed to scan in your Amiibo to save its progress. Don't just turn the system off or quit to the menu without backing out of the character select screen proper. What in the gently caress, is it 1994? At least it didn't take that long.
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RyokoTK posted:What in the gently caress, is it 1994? It's a memory card that you don't leave plugged in...
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Man, I had no clue those gamecube controller adapters were so rare. I marched into gamester and they had one on the shelf, the lady that rang me up said people were calling all morning looking for those, and the one I got just came on a UPS truck 10 minutes before I walked in. She said they were not due to receive any more for a full month. My opinion on the amiibos - they loving suck. Nintendo totally hosed this one up. It would be cool if you bought say pikachu, and it unlocked an alternate playable pikachu character with a different set of lightning skills, new skins, and you could level it up and give it gear and poo poo. But instead, it just gives you an NPC to play against/team up with, a character that is already in the game that you can also team up with. My 6 year old and 8 year old kids were like "why didn't you buy us some of those disney infinity guys instead"? They look cool on their shelf, well painted and durable, but thats it. We all like the game though, but the amiibos in their current state are useless.
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DoctaFun posted:Serious question, and I mean no disrespect, but are there people out there above the age of 13 that actually play skylanders? Some of these people will get really defensive and tell you that AGE IS JUST A NUMBA. Others will shrug it off and be like "lol I'm a mental retard baby for life, yo." Sadder than that is another group of doofuses who want to play with all this childish poo poo but do not because they are concerned that they will appear as LAME. LAMEY LAME LAME. All three of these groups need to shut the hell up and enjoy their poo poo, whether it's high falutin' mega-adult super-mature stuff or if it's unchallenging, brightly-colored clown-honking baby poo poo. NOBODY CARE. Well, most nobody care.
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Amiibos feel like a tricky thing to really nail to me- the features they enable have to feel "worth it" to the point where you'll buy the drat things but they probably don't want people to feel like they're "locking" content behind their plastic toys with memory cards in them, either.
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Nov 24, 2014 21:26
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elf help book posted:It's a memory card that you don't leave plugged in... I guess I get that now, but it just seems weird to me since, y'know, memory cards haven't really been a thing for a decade now. I expected that my console would have the data backed up on it since it has a loving hard drive, after all. Ah well, I'm only out an hour and a half.
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RyokoTK posted:What in the gently caress, is it 1994? It saves to the figure, that's kinda the whole point.
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matrix ripoff posted:Yeah, and there's people over the age of thirteen that play Minecraft and eat Fruity Pebbles cereal and watch cartoons and read stupid YA books and they don't even have kids of their own. There are people over the age of thirteen who ride skateboards - sometimes for money! There are people over the age of thirteen who read Dr. Seuss books and write ungodly long and boring dissertations on them - and those books are for babies!!! There are people of the age of thirteen who read - get this - COMIC BOOKS. The Sunday Funnies. haahh woah
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Yea the more I read about them the shittier amiibos seem. The best AI in the game is gimped. There's a more challenging version that learns on the disc, but you can only activate it for one character at a time by buying $13 figurines. It's that awful kind of dlc that Nintendo was praised for avoiding until now.
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matrix ripoff posted:Yeah, and there's people over the age of thirteen that play Minecraft and eat Fruity Pebbles cereal and watch cartoons and read stupid YA books and they don't even have kids of their own. There are people over the age of thirteen who ride skateboards - sometimes for money! There are people over the age of thirteen who read Dr. Seuss books and write ungodly long and boring dissertations on them - and those books are for babies!!! There are people of the age of thirteen who read - get this - COMIC BOOKS. The Sunday Funnies. I have a minor in children's lit, so I have experiencing in writing papers on Dr Seuss (literally) but Skylanders / Disney Infinity (without having played them) look like really stripped down poo poo that is entirely a cash grab and doesn't have much depth to offer to someone who plays videogames and wants a deeper experience than "MOVING SHAPES AND ALSO STATUE" Not a criticism of the style, but rather the content. Calm yourself.
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Tender Bender posted:Yea the more I read about them the shittier amiibos seem. The best AI in the game is gimped. There's a more challenging version that learns on the disc, but you can only activate it for one character at a time by buying $13 figurines. It's that awful kind of dlc that Nintendo was praised for avoiding until now. Level 50 amiibos are not really any better than the old-fashioned CPU level 9s.
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Tender Bender posted:Yea the more I read about them the shittier amiibos seem. The best AI in the game is gimped. There's a more challenging version that learns on the disc, but you can only activate it for one character at a time by buying $13 figurines. It's that awful kind of dlc that Nintendo was praised for avoiding until now. I guess that's one retarded way of looking at it.
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Monkey Fracas posted:Amiibos feel like a tricky thing to really nail to me- the features they enable have to feel "worth it" to the point where you'll buy the drat things but they probably don't want people to feel like they're "locking" content behind their plastic toys with memory cards in them, either. I think that might be what they tried to do. However, imagine there were no amiibos and instead they just had it so some of the characters in the game you could level up and then feed equipment too, or instead of doing that you could just add the same character as a CPU character and set it to the level of your choice. Now imagine they made you pay $2 per character to unlock this extra mode where you could level up the character, sounds like a loving ripoff. IMO its just a stupid loving feature not at all worth the $13.
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Blackheart posted:I guess that's one retarded way of looking at it. Isnt that exactly how it is though? Whats the non-retarded way to look at it?
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Begby posted:IMO its just a stupid loving feature not at all worth the $13. I think the intended idea behind the amiibos is that, no, the Figure Players in Smash are not worth $13, but if you buy Piss Link you get a stupid FP in Smash and you get a spinner in Hyrule Warriors and you get a hat in Mario Kart, and other little nuggets of "content" in other games down the line that may or may not eventually add up to $13 of worth. It seemed like a sound enough idea to me because I'm kind of stupid with my money, but the current execution is kind of very terrible.
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Literally the only actual purpose amiibos serve (from a "making money for Nintendo" point of view, which is the only view that matters to the people making them) is to capitalize on the Disney Infinity/Skylanders market of interactive figurines. Nintendo looked at those games, saw the poo poo-zillions of dollars they were making, and said "we have lots of well-branded characters that we could make into figures, lets get in on that!". Every actual "function" of the amiibos is an afterthought after selling a gimmick product to children and capitalizing on a fad market. And this is coming from someone who actually bought one.
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matrix ripoff posted:Yeah, and there's people over the age of thirteen that play Minecraft and eat Fruity Pebbles cereal and watch cartoons and read stupid YA books and they don't even have kids of their own. There are people over the age of thirteen who ride skateboards - sometimes for money! There are people over the age of thirteen who read Dr. Seuss books and write ungodly long and boring dissertations on them - and those books are for babies!!! There are people of the age of thirteen who read - get this - COMIC BOOKS. The Sunday Funnies. I'd empty quote this if it were imp zone but it's not so I'll just say hahaha hooooly poo poo dude.
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LanceKing2200 posted:Literally the only actual purpose amiibos serve (from a "making money for Nintendo" point of view, which is the only view that matters to the people making them) is to capitalize on the Disney Infinity/Skylanders market of interactive figurines. Nintendo looked at those games, saw the poo poo-zillions of dollars they were making, and said "we have lots of well-branded characters that we could make into figures, lets get in on that!". ding ding ding ding ding
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LanceKing2200 posted:Every actual "function" of the amiibos is an afterthought after selling a gimmick product to children and capitalizing on a fad market. My kids have skylanders and want more, they want that stupid inifinity poo poo after seeing the store display. I got them each an amiibo, they expressly told me they do not want more of them, thats how lame they are. Nintendo totally failed to capitalize on this stupid fad. I think with skylanders the functionality is not an afterthought, thats why those are more successful.
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Even if you don't like the Amiibo functionality, they're still official Nintendo figurines you can just decorate a shelf or desk with. I honestly don't give a poo poo about Amiibo functionality (except for Mario Kart 8 with the Captain Falcon Amiibo  ), but I really like the idea of having a bunch of Nintendo figurines on my desk. Also the current set of Amiibo are literally physical Smash Bros trophies and I've always wanted a few real ones and now I can have them.
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matrix ripoff posted:Yeah, and there's people over the age of thirteen that play Minecraft and eat Fruity Pebbles cereal and watch cartoons and read stupid YA books and they don't even have kids of their own. There are people over the age of thirteen who ride skateboards - sometimes for money! There are people over the age of thirteen who read Dr. Seuss books and write ungodly long and boring dissertations on them - and those books are for babies!!! There are people of the age of thirteen who read - get this - COMIC BOOKS. The Sunday Funnies. Yikes! I have nothing against 'kiddie games' or anything like that. Heck, I liked Elebits for the wii and my son made fun of me for buying it because he said it looked like 'a lame game for babies'. Skylanders screams money grab, like 1000x more than the latest Call of Duty concoction that's released 6 months after the previous one. Anyways, I'll drop it, I have received the information that I needed, lets just get back to your regularly scheduled programming, piss columns.
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Lmao at people who expected anything out of Amiibo other than getting some cool official swag of their favorite Smash character
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Yea I can see why kids would want a dragon figure or something that can come to life in their game. The mistake with amiibos became readily apparent when I tapped my Mario amiibo to the gamepad and it showed a little animation of the figurine coming to life, like tadaaa, Mario's here! Except I'd already been playing as Mario for an hour.Blackheart posted:I guess that's one retarded way of looking at it. What's the nonretarded way?
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I just think it's sort of amusing that, if someone one day had said "hey look, Barnes and Noble is now carrying these $13 Nintendo statues" that a few people would've said COOL and went and got them, and other people just wouldn't care. Instead they tried to put some chip into those statues, and it becomes a thing that makes people mad instead of just being indifferent to them. The DLC comparison only really works if Activision released a DLC key that unlocked a gun in CoD and a song in Rock Band and a new outfit in Destiny or something. It's an ugly rollout early on (Nintendo is great at those) but over time they hopefully still offer some value beyond whatever DLC you're comparing it to for Smash alone.
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Amiibos are just Nintendo turning the crank that makes money.
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