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Before ArcheAge I never believed that I'd go back to WoW after 7 years, but this game was such a disaster that it finally pushed me over the edge. It only took experiencing about a dozen MMO collapses to realize nothing is going to dethrone WoW, and almost everything is going to be killed by it eventually if it doesn't self-destruct first.
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Most of the recent MMOs have had huge gently caress ups or an extreme lack of foresight. The only ones I can think of that avoided this are Guild Wars 2 and FFXIV 2.0(1.0 was a huge cluster gently caress)
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Nov 25, 2014 01:30
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Tanreall posted:We can only hope it serves as a lesson to future MMO development. Although with the trend being awful MMO after awful MMO I highly doubt it'll be the case. To be honest, it probably isn't really an issue. They likely printed enough money off APEX sales, massive pre order packages and cash shop to make this an incredibly successful pump and dump release of a Korean game, and I'm sure that the localization staff etc cost far less than a traditional development team.
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ruffz posted:Before ArcheAge I never believed that I'd go back to WoW after 7 years, but this game was such a disaster that it finally pushed me over the edge. It only took experiencing about a dozen MMO collapses to realize nothing is going to dethrone WoW, and almost everything is going to be killed by it eventually if it doesn't self-destruct first. I've been shopping around for upcoming stuff that meets my nerd criteria. Which is basically poo poo that has good elements similar to UO UO you owned land, you crafted stuff, and you can mess with the economy. PVP also with crafted gear. Spells and ships too, so you can sail. However it's really dated. Archeage brought bunch of the stuff to a Korean design, a lot in similar to UO enough to bring that style of nerd over  Then it shat the bed  1) Shroud of the Avatar Made by THE Lord British of UO fame Costs money to become a patron and get access to their releases (of which I already gave $50 to and got a free $20 added some point) 3D going around 3rd/first person doing stuff. Retains a bunch of UO design choices like using chat (you can click keywords too if they are brought up) Buncha crafting, and you can own land if you have a shitton of gold (or pay in the patron shop for limited quantity prime plots in big cities for $1000s of dollars. Don't worry though, they are willing to take a monthly payment plan.) Has a lot of potential with it's unique business model and is made in unity. Bunch of the stuff is croudsourced so you could potentially submit something and get paid in made cash. (also if it doesn't get picked if you're good with assets, you can just sell assets on the unity store for other game makers to buy) Technically it's more of a single player game with a multiplayer that is basically a MMO. ATM no Offline Single Player, only online. 2) Albion Online Isometric style 3rd person, cross platform, build in places, mine stuff, and PACK MULES (aka carts) to do transport stuff Buncha PVP stuff planned, castles, control over areas. Due to cross platform, they chose a more artistic look (ala TF2/Torchlight style of aesthetics) Basically the TF2 of UO Edit: also farming. Tradecarts, farming. No boatstuff in sight at the moment but it's in alpha so we can only hope, especially if it's basically taking a lot of inspiration from UO  Aptly named Albion because Ultima always took place in Britain and Britain = Albion --- I'd name Everquest Next as something also to check out, but everyone is gonna try that one. Of course I'm probably also gonna check out WoW sometime in the future unless I get sucked into either of the above just because WoD might add new stuff that makes the last 4/10s of it fun. Cata did the other half years ago ThndrShk2k fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 01:46
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Ridinspinnaz posted:To be honest, it probably isn't really an issue. They likely printed enough money off APEX sales, massive pre order packages and cash shop to make this an incredibly successful pump and dump release of a Korean game, and I'm sure that the localization staff etc cost far less than a traditional development team. Oh I know they made money. I was more talking about learning how to make a good game that will last longer than a few months.
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On games I'd like to play but will never happen, I wish someone would copy guild wars 2 and paste it into lineage 2. I'd probably play that game. Archage kinda looked almost like that, but better, so I was following it, but after reading this thread... 
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Nov 25, 2014 02:17
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Tanreall posted:We can only hope it serves as a lesson to future MMO development. It definitely served as a lesson for future MMO development. The lessons is "jesus christ these idiots will pay for anything so let's ride this gravy train as far as it goes". Every time a game rips people off with outrageous practices and makes bank doing it that makes future developers more likely to do the same thing, not less.
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atlas of bugs posted:okay, that helps Don't worry, sct didn't groom any teenagers. He was groomed by BFM to be his personal pedo defender. It is entirely possible that he wasn't fully conscious of BFM being pedo scum until the very end, because human brains are dumb. EVE Online scammers can convince a mark that big red text on all our real newbie material that says "IF YOU PAID TO GET IN YOU WERE SCAMMED" somehow doesn't apply to them, and if they pay the security deposit everything will be fine. Sometimes they are able to go back to the same mark two or three times and get them to hand over more and more stuff, even once the mark is really suspicious and all their pubbie friends are telling them it is an obvious scam, and a moment of googling would reveal an avalanche of scam accusations. Reading the scam forum can start to shake your faith in humanity having any basic sense at all. BFM is a manipulative rear end in a top hat (see multi-year child grooming) and a veteran EVE player. It is entirely possible that if he was in a separate chat with sct as folks provided accusations and piecemeal evidence that he could deflect or "explain" each individual point as it came along. Nobody wants to believe their buddy is the lowest scum on the planet, so many people would be inclined to believe there must be some misunderstanding, especially when the victim is not around. When the wall of evidence including a statement from the victim was posted there was no way for BFM to wiggle out of it. The human brains that defended BFM are thrown into crisis as good people don't defend pedos, and they are good people, therefore they must never have defended the pedo and so they start re-writing their memories so the bad things didn't happen or had a good explanation. Which works fine for resolving the inner conflict until they share those memories and people around them accuse them of lying. sct may not be a bad person, just a gullible idiot.
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Angela Christine posted:Don't worry, sct didn't groom any teenagers. He was groomed by BFM to be his personal pedo defender. It is entirely possible that he wasn't fully conscious of BFM being pedo scum until the very end, because human brains are dumb. And yet, they (SCT) have never once come here to refute any claims made or address their comments of "it happened a long time ago" and "it wasn't even in America" except to admit literally that they "tried to sweep it under the rug". That's way more than being a gullible idiot. Maybe his brain spazzed out about it or something, I dunno. I can see that happening.
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Widestancer posted:And yet, they (SCT) have never once come here to refute any claims made or address their comments of "it happened a long time ago" and "it wasn't even in America" except to admit literally that they "tried to sweep it under the rug". That's way more than being a gullible idiot. Maybe his brain spazzed out about it or something, I dunno. I can see that happening. Yeah, it's possible he's a scumlord, and it's possible he's an idiot. If it was me I wouldn't come here to defend myself either, that never ends well, lol. Seriously though, if you want to see cognitive dissonance in action, join goonswarm and read the scams section. It is baffling the poo poo average people fall for.
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Nov 25, 2014 03:31
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So apparently you can still use the Flirtatious Flower item to kick people off their carts and run off with them, so if you're looking for something to do have at.
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I think the real lessons are that people who played eve are not well liked and think that "eve is a bad game" and "eve players are horrible" are jokes that they make, not things other people say against them. That and korea can design a game with some bad features the majority of western game makers threw out since they make for a bad game, but a good cash grab, and fool a bunch of western gamers.
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Nov 25, 2014 06:46
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The lesson is you don't follow the clique show that seems to flow from game to game. Anyone with past game experience that saw what was going on in alpha knew to stay the hell away from the "official" goon guild for that reason. The fact this was one of the worst pump and dump poo poo games I've ever seen released in the last fifteen years of MMO's was just icing on the cake.
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Nov 25, 2014 07:08
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A long long time ago, in a country not even America The brave Wool Alliance was besieged By the evil shadow council of the Imp zone
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Third World Reggin posted:I think the real lessons are that people who played eve are not well liked and think that "eve is a bad game" and "eve players are horrible" are jokes that they make, not things other people say against them. 100% agreed on the eve poo poo
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DarkStryke posted:one of the worst pump and dump poo poo games I've ever seen Do they even make MMOs that don't fit thisdescription anymore? It seems like every MMO that has come out in forever just totally sucks. The closest to not sucking that MMOs seem to get nowadays is a game that could have been good but wasn't because some dumb bullshit got in the way. Like how Warhammer Online had a pretty decent experience held back at every turn by idiotic management, or how SWTOR had a bunch of cool class stories but since it was stuffed into a loving MMO you had to play a Bioware RPG in the lamest way possible. The best case scenario for new MMOs these days is that whatever hot loving garbage they release at launch eventually gets brought up to the level of "ok I guess" after two years of patching and a F2P conversion. Like I honestly don't know if any good MMO has come out since WoW. How does a whole genre fail that badly?
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Angela Christine posted:Yeah, it's possible he's a scumlord, and it's possible he's an idiot. If it was me I wouldn't come here to defend myself either, that never ends well, lol. Work any customer support job and you won't be surprised by what avg people fall for.
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Chomp8645 posted:Do they even make MMOs that don't fit thisdescription anymore? It seems like every MMO that has come out in forever just totally sucks. The closest to not sucking that MMOs seem to get nowadays is a game that could have been good but wasn't because some dumb bullshit got in the way. Like how Warhammer Online had a pretty decent experience held back at every turn by idiotic management, or how SWTOR had a bunch of cool class stories but since it was stuffed into a loving MMO you had to play a Bioware RPG in the lamest way possible. The best case scenario for new MMOs these days is that whatever hot loving garbage they release at launch eventually gets brought up to the level of "ok I guess" after two years of patching and a F2P conversion. Warhammer Online immediately came to mind for me, too. That game had such ridiculous potential but was released only half finished with so many empty, non-working features, and they never even attempted to fix it. They just waited for the license to expire because they knew it would, and only released 'patches' every 6 months.
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Shy Farting Man posted:Warhammer Online immediately came to mind for me, too. That game had such ridiculous potential but was released only half finished with so many empty, non-working features, and they never even attempted to fix it. They just waited for the license to expire because they knew it would, and only released 'patches' every 6 months. I wonder if we'll ever get a good post mortem for them like we did for Lucas Arts. It would probably be a good read.
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archeage is really bad and i regret spending any money on it. oh well
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Deutsch Nozzle posted:archeage is really bad and i regret spending any money on it. oh well Eh, it was worth $15 imo but no way I'll come back with a massive repopulation of the servers. Last week was kind of the last straw when we were running around without anyone to pirate and none of the zones were going into peace for at least Eurotruck Sim funtimes. Now I'm on the WoD train and it is goooood
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Third World Reggin posted:I think the real lessons are that people who played eve are not well liked and think that "eve is a bad game" and "eve players are horrible" are jokes that they make, not things other people say against them. The real lesson is goons will re-enact the mistakes of goonfleet in every MMO, on an exponentially shortening timeframe. Week 1 of that space-glue making sim is gonna be fun to watch.
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Luke Johnson posted:The real lesson is goons will re-enact the mistakes of goonfleet in every MMO, on an exponentially shortening timeframe. Week 1 of that space-glue making sim is gonna be fun to watch. I am still laughing at anyone who is buying into that game. Early access? Yah sure take my money. I can't be trusted with it anyways.
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I'd never had a really bad experience in a goon guild outside Trion's games, but even Rift was just launch week sperging over server queues and factions.
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I just read the whole thread. Haha, goddamn Archage is the best. i'm tempted to join up just to find out how you can possibly get a drama shitstorm kicked up about loving fishing oh man heres to hoping for many years for all the fine folks involved, im pretty sure some of you are directors in the goonguild of the best game ever star citizen 
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There are like 5 other threads to read either in mmo hmo, games, imp zone, or the gas chamber. MMO LMAO and kewpah's imp zone thread "Wilstance and BBG please stop trolling the archeage thread" are two of the better reads.
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Thanks, I'll go read those. And here I was thinking the one in the gas chamber was the best thing I had read about this game e:got that imp zone thread bookmarked? search is giving me nothing lollontee fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Friendly Tumour posted:Thanks, I'll go read those. And here I was thinking the one in the gas chamber was the best thing I had read about this game This might be it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671414
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That was kewpahs first gold thread, yah. Here is the other imp zone thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3662550&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 This happened at the same time as all the crazy stuff started coming out and parallels so weirdly that we can have a civil conversation in there while the mmo hmo thread breaks down into crazy.
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OMG you guys won't believe what antics we've been getting into tonight. You should all log in right away. we're so lonely
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Charles Bukowski posted:This might be it: Third World Reggin posted:That was kewpahs first gold thread, yah. Thanks guys! see you on the flipside 
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Chomp8645 posted:Like I honestly don't know if any good MMO has come out since WoW. How does a whole genre fail that badly? Nearly every MMO that's come out in the last 10 years has either tried (and failed) to reproduce the WoW experience, or they tried so hard to be different that people were disappointed they weren't playing WoW, so they went back to the real thing. In my opinion, Warhammer had the best potential out of any game to put a large dent in WoW's subscriber base, but they royally hosed up the release. I just wish I had seen ArcheAge for what it is, prior to buying the $150 Archeum founder's pack and then spending another $60 or so on apex/credits. AA was the last straw for me, and I don't think I'll ever be an early adopter in another MMO. Way too much money and time spent for nothing.
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I knew people could learn to be better with their money. The problem is there is another group of suckers being born.
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WoD and FF14 are about it right now unless you really enjoy wrangling questionable content. Some do.
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Widestancer posted:WoD and FF14 are about it right now unless you really enjoy wrangling questionable content. Some do. For example, we're still reading your posts.
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glug posted:For example, we're still reading your posts. My posts are Halaal and suitable for consumption by the faithful of Allah.
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Widestancer posted:My posts are Halaal and suitable for consumption by the faithful of Allah. Ins'Allah, they truly have been butchered
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Axel Serenity posted:Now I'm on the WoD train and it is goooood I haven't kept up with WoW for a long time so every time I see WoD I think it's the World of Darkness MMO and get all excited Welp 
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