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At least you got a horseman, I had Book of Revelations, got to L3 Bandage Girl then fought 2x The Gate boss in Utero 1. Didn't even have Contract from Below to get in the way either. On the other hand, getting 99 coins + Guppy + Money = Power just destroys the Dark Room. Got Azazel cleared of all normal mode symbols now, that's my second character done after Eden. Will do Hard Mode when I've done all of these, no rush.
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ErIog posted:This is both too easy and super boring because Meat boy and Bandage girl are pretty dogged in seeking out enemies. It'd be about as fun as a Daddy Long Legs + Gnawed Leaf challenge. code:
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Nov 25, 2014 10:07
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Can somebody post on the reddit the following: An Item that makes the Lost at least a little bit fun to play
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Nov 25, 2014 10:37
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So I sort of realized something with Lazarus. The way to play him IMO isn't to leave the first floor with the x1 life. It seems far far more beneficial to get most of the first floor boss down and then let him kill you and come back as the shadow and finish the boss off. This way you don't have to worry about losing the devil deal on next floor and you aren't so gimped. I mean the weak damage and slow speed and mediocre starting health seem to suggest that this is what you should be doing. Plus, I can't really see a point in keeping that extra life anyway. When I die, I'm usually in the Womb(Lumps) or in Chest/Dark Room, where 1 heart basically means you may as well quit now unless you are already broke. Thought I would just point this out in case no one else has. EDIT: I also suppose you could kill your self with devil deals if possible on second floor, but the low damage with Laz, means you'll have to make up lost time for Boss Rush on the third floor. Kenishi fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 10:47
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AnonSpore posted:Pretty sure Curse of the Blind uses a complicated algorithm that calculates exactly the right item to gently caress you over in every case. I blindly picked up Rubber Cement while carrying IPECAC, so the algorithm isn't completely optimised yet.
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Nov 25, 2014 13:24
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Can someone explain to me what the Dead Onion is for? I picked it up in Basement 1 just now and all I can figure out is that it's ruined my range and damage.
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Nov 25, 2014 13:40
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Dead Onion automatically gives you tears that pierce enemies/items at the cost of reducing your shot speed/range. Good luck getting your range back up so it's actually useful.
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Nov 25, 2014 13:41
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CJacobs posted:Dead Onion automatically gives you tears that pierce enemies/items at the cost of reducing your shot speed/range. Good luck getting your range back up so it's actually useful. Good news! The next three items I got were Tech 2, Blood Clot and Rubber Cement. Not super op but a nice bit of weirdness and I'm playing Judas so I can boost my damage for bosses.
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Nov 25, 2014 13:45
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CJacobs posted:Dead Onion automatically gives you tears that pierce enemies/items at the cost of reducing your shot speed/range. Good luck getting your range back up so it's actually useful. On the other hand, Dead Onion and spoon bender/sacred heart is wonderful, and the shot speed downgrade is really good if you have the tears to back it up.
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Nov 25, 2014 13:46
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Guys I'm an (almost) complete BoI virgin. I bought the original back when it came out but hardly played it because of lack of time and commitment. I only recently decided to check out Rebirth and so far it's great fun if incredibly hard to my inept self. The biggest problem though is that I basically have no idea about anything at all. I don't know any of the items or item names, I have no idea what all the different doors do or why sometimes some of them are barred and I can't get in and so on and so forth. Basically, I know absolutely nothing. I read a couple of pages in the thread and have been stumbling around the wiki which was semi-helpful. I kinda don't want to use the wiki too much out of fear of spoiling myself or reading things I shouldn't worry about and reading the last ~20 pages of this thread has only been helpful insofar that it made me realize I have no idea what you guys are talking about  So basically what I'm asking is, as a complete newbie, what should I be doing it looking at to at least have some sort of clue? I managed to get all the way through the stages and get an ending cutscene of some sort but I'm still not really sure what the hell. Should I focus on unlocking characters? Items? Please guide me, BoI gurus!
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Nov 25, 2014 13:50
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abraxas posted:pining for BOI advice I feel the same way, I'm enjoying the game mechanically but some of the poo poo people are posting about it sounds like nonsense Dota 2 strategies or something. Wouldn't mind a bit of a guiding light on how to 'play BOI better' if that's the right way to put it.
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abraxas posted:Guys I'm an (almost) complete BoI virgin. I bought the original back when it came out but hardly played it because of lack of time and commitment. I only recently decided to check out Rebirth and so far it's great fun if incredibly hard to my inept self. For some real quick advice that doesn't spoil any item effects, a big way people tend to win this game is by going a floor(aside from the first one) without taking red heart damage. This has a chance to open a "devil room" where you exchange hearts often for very useful items. There's chances if you just don't take red-heart damage on the boss but the whole floor gives you the best chance. So basically try to learn to avoid enemy attacks well and use the spirit hearts(often found in those tinted rocks) to give yourself the best chance to win. There's a lot more to this but that's the gist of it. But yeah if you want to get deeper into the game focus on beating all the stuff with the characters and unlocking them, and more stuff and more stuff will unlock. Also beating the challenges will unlock items into the game. Kawalimus fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 14:06
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Ramagamma posted:I feel the same way, I'm enjoying the game mechanically but some of the poo poo people are posting about it sounds like nonsense Dota 2 strategies or something. Wouldn't mind a bit of a guiding light on how to 'play BOI better' if that's the right way to put it. Never go boots first nub
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Nov 25, 2014 14:17
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Ramagamma posted:I feel the same way, I'm enjoying the game mechanically but some of the poo poo people are posting about it sounds like nonsense Dota 2 strategies or something. Wouldn't mind a bit of a guiding light on how to 'play BOI better' if that's the right way to put it. If your lane is Basement, always start with Doran's Tears but I prefer to start Yum Heart against Cellar for better sustain when I know I'm going to be harassed.
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Nov 25, 2014 14:25
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abraxas posted:Guys I'm an (almost) complete BoI virgin. I bought the original back when it came out but hardly played it because of lack of time and commitment. I only recently decided to check out Rebirth and so far it's great fun if incredibly hard to my inept self. Pick up everything and then try to remember what it was afterwards, it's more fun than looking up spoilers twice a floor, and you might be surprised by how some things work. Golden doors are always item rooms, unless you're on an XL floor there will always be one on each floor until the fight with mom. They will be locked except for on the first floor. Standard locked doors are usually shops, which you can avoid unless you have 15+ pennies or just a bunch of keys. Some floors will have a second locked door which will usually be a library (a room with one or 2 spacebar items) double locked doors are generally interesting, but not vital. There's a few different kinds, and if you get a dice room I probably would look up what the number means before using it (using it in this case means stepping onto the dice) Curse rooms are almost always worthwhile. You've got an ok chance at at least one blue heart or an item. Just focus on beating the game. Most of the characters are unlocked through normal or skilled play. Also use an analog controller if you're on PC. Being able to slowly move, or have 360 degrees of movement is huge in Isaac.
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Thanks for the tips so far. I guess I'll just work on unlocking more characters and items and figure things out as I go for the most part. Items and what they do seem easy enough to remember but a lot of things seem really obtuse to me. All the different chances of getting whatever that are influenced by other things and so on. I guess that's for a later time when I have a better grasp on the game in general. One specific question I have is, what are those spike rooms? After running into them a couple of times and them seeming kind of important, what with getting their own mini map graphic and looking all gloomy and creepy, I decided that the only thing it could possibly want me to do is step on the spikes in the middle. All that did was make me take damage and look even more like an idiot than I already do. What am I missing here? Or are those just rooms to troll people like me who know next to nothing about the game?  senae posted:Also use an analog controller if you're on PC. Being able to slowly move, or have 360 degrees of movement is huge in Isaac. This might sound really stupid to all you BoI veterans but I honestly think that is the one change that makes me play this game like crazy where I was almost immediately done with the original BoI after a session or two of dying horribly really quickly.
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abraxas posted:Guys I'm an (almost) complete BoI virgin. I bought the original back when it came out but hardly played it because of lack of time and commitment. I only recently decided to check out Rebirth and so far it's great fun if incredibly hard to my inept self. Just loving play the game, Jesus. There's literally no consequences if you lose and it is a children's entertainment product. I didn't know facepalming was a thing people could spontaneously do until now.
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abraxas posted:One specific question I have is, what are those spike rooms? After running into them a couple of times and them seeming kind of important, what with getting their own mini map graphic and looking all gloomy and creepy, I decided that the only thing it could possibly want me to do is step on the spikes in the middle. All that did was make me take damage and look even more like an idiot than I already do. What am I missing here? Or are those just rooms to troll people like me who know next to nothing about the game? Pannus fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 14:50
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Disgusting Coward posted:Just loving play the game, Jesus. There's literally no consequences if you lose and it is a children's entertainment product. I didn't know facepalming was a thing people could spontaneously do until now. This game is pretty fun to min-max, and learning the mechanics can make it easier to do some cool stuff.
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Disgusting Coward posted:Just loving play the game, Jesus. There's literally no consequences if you lose and it is a children's entertainment product. I didn't know facepalming was a thing people could spontaneously do until now. http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp?titleOrPublisher=The+Binding+of+Isaac&searchType=title ?
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Disgusting Coward posted:Just loving play the game, Jesus. There's literally no consequences if you lose and it is a children's entertainment product. I didn't know facepalming was a thing people could spontaneously do until now. Quit gettin' mad about video games.
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Nov 25, 2014 15:24
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Smiting Mom in one shot of Krampus' head by standing in the middle and firing on all 4 doors will never get old. 
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Pinking shears plus something that regens your charge is really strong. I went into the boss rush with the habit and took a bunch of damage since everything shits out hearts, I had like 3 headless bodies running around the room absolutely massacring everything - those things do shitloads of damage.
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Do Devil Rooms' soul selling or faith/necro heart damage count against unlocking Samson? Also as Azazel my first Devil Room item was a lump of coal. 
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Nov 25, 2014 16:05
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r8w6 142z Eve run that gets moms knife in an early regular treasure room, chocolate milk, brimstone, scythes and monstro's lung in the boss rush. Not as overpowered as it sounds, maybe due to the order you collect them, it was still a pretty easy dark room win. The shot was basically a strong main knife attack then a flurry of knives afterwards. The scythes and monstro's lung didn't make much of a noticeable difference.
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Nov 25, 2014 16:24
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Entered two angel rooms on my most recent playthrough and both times the rock automatically blew up and I had to fight the angel. Why did that happen? My only guess is that it's because I was carrying the Book of Belial maybe?? Once I got the key parts it stopped happening. Here's what my item setup was when it happened, I was playing as Judas.
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Nov 25, 2014 16:43
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Rocks seem to randomly pop for some reason, it happens in treasure rooms too.
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Nov 25, 2014 16:51
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Pwnstar posted:Rocks seem to randomly pop for some reason, it happens in treasure rooms too. Weird. Second question, does Judas... not have an unlock for beating ??? or something? I beat Isaac and unlocked the Guillotine but I didn't get anything for beating ???. edit: Oh, according to the wiki his ??? unlock is The Left Hand, which also unlocks from beating Ultra Pride. Alright then.
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CJacobs posted:Weird. Had the same problem. I actually think his unlock can also be unlocked some other way. (It's the left hand according to the wiki) E: Too slow.
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God drat the blank card is just silly. Find a credit card with it? Enjoy picking up all the shop items for free. Oh, and free goddamn devil deals too. I used that combo until I found a sun card and a sharp plug in the shop, at which point I had infinite free healing and I could literally just stand around pressing space to activate the sun, recharge it with HP which I then heal the next time I use the sun. It also acted as a map + compass and a nuke to just murder every fucker in the room.
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Pwnstar posted:Rocks seem to randomly pop for some reason, it happens in treasure rooms too. I've always wondered about this. Sometimes it's when you re-enter a room and there was loot on the floor, and I always thought it's because the game re-assigns the loot to a "standard grid" position or something (if that makes sense), and if an object is in the way it gets popped. But other times it just randomly happens 
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Nov 25, 2014 17:32
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Just had a game get screwed in the absolute dumbest way on Basement 2: I killed a Mulligan in a way that one of the flies that came out of him spawned on the concrete block, and then it flew into the center. Because plain black non-flashing flies don't home in on you and move in a totally random pattern, the odds of it coming back out so I can kill it are incredibly low. Because Judas starts with no bombs, I can't bomb my way in either. As I type this it is slowly moving toward the center of the room in the middle of all the rocks. 
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Nov 25, 2014 17:59
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CJacobs posted:Just had a game get screwed in the absolute dumbest way on Basement 2: you have a 2 of clubs though? That will give you 2 bombs for free.
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Would a collectible that let you carry an extra usable item between floors be too OP? Say, a toy box or something that you can always find in the starting room. Touching it while you have a usable item and it's empty will deposit your item. Dumb expansion idea now that Ed is soliciting dumb expansion ideas.
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Nov 25, 2014 18:07
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IMJack posted:Would a collectible that let you carry an extra usable item between floors be too OP? Say, a toy box or something that you can always find in the starting room. Touching it while you have a usable item and it's empty will deposit your item. Well you have items that let you carry two trinkets, two pills/two cards. Perhaps an item that lets you carry two spacebar item around? If that needs to be tuned down a bit perhaps they share a charge in some manner? I think there's a lot of lackluster and situational spacebar items that having two would probably be fine without the shared charge stipulation. Plus it would synergize nicely with battery items.
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From my experience, they slowly hover towards your dude if you stand close to them.
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Nov 25, 2014 18:27
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senae posted:you have a 2 of clubs though? That will give you 2 bombs for free. Oh yeah you're right, I forgot I had that. Ah well.
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abraxas posted:Guys I'm an (almost) complete BoI virgin. I bought the original back when it came out but hardly played it because of lack of time and commitment. I only recently decided to check out Rebirth and so far it's great fun if incredibly hard to my inept self. The barred doors that you can't get into are "challenge rooms". You can only enter them if you have full health. They'll have an item or chest in the center, and if you take it you have to fight three waves of enemies before you can leave. There's also a much nastier version of the challenge room with a skull above the door. You'll need to be at 1 heart to get in, and it will spawn bosses instead of normal enemies.
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The best piece of free advice I can give is that treasure rooms are the most important rooms in the game, followed closely by secret rooms, so those should always be prioritized over everything else Learning the tricks to where secret rooms are means you can trigger them reliably and that increases run success a lot Also you can bomb into treasure rooms, which is an important thing to note when you have no keys
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Devil rooms > other rooms. Generally, trying to avoid damage and gunning it straight to the boss room on every floor is the best way to get powerful fast.
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