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A friend of mine has that problem. His wife is super into teaching their kids Irish, and they started them on French early too because they're really forward thinking in terms of education. His eldest daughter is six and just king of gibbers randomly when she gets excited.HEY GAL posted:They always are 
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xthetenth posted:Protected cruisers are a better example. Who needs steel when you have coal? The protected cruiser added a curved protective deck. The red lines are armor, the wavy blue lines are the waterline, and the dark grey compartments are filled with coal.  Water flooding into coal compartments through holes at or below the waterline has a reduced effect on stability, because the coal doesn't go out the hole where water is rushing in. Coal still takes up volume, so a flooded compartment that was already full of coal has a reduced impact on the ship's stability. Since all that's on the outside and providing protection, that coal would be used last if at all. Protected cruisers went out of style when the Quick Firing 4", 4.7", and 6" guns were introduced, since those would put a lot of larger holes in the ship. There would only be limited dust in the compartments above the waterline, and the ones below would of course promptly flood. As light warships with long range, these ships were cheap and reasonably effective. Remember that these were some of the first classes to give up auxiliary sails, and the first few classes still had them. Gunnery was much less effective back then, and 6' of coal aka 3" of steel was effective against the light armament of the ships these cruisers were expected to fight. Anything that got through the coal would be coming in on a fairly flat trajectory and glancing off the 2-3" curved deck.
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Baudin posted:Given that children brought up in that kind of situation generally learn a mish mash of languages and skip from one to the other at a disturbing frequency I'm guessing that was his normal mode of communication.
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Nov 25, 2014 04:44
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I forgot that small highly angled deck.
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Baudin posted:Given that children brought up in that kind of situation generally learn a mish mash of languages and skip from one to the other at a disturbing frequency I'm guessing that was his normal mode of communication. After a certain level of drunkenness you're basically communicating with grunts, gestures, and context so it would probably only be a problem when sober. 
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Any other talk about Cold War tanks/Soviet tech? I do love me some stories about it Plus, anyone got a link to that Cold War aviation thread? I really loved the "RCS secret" banner add they had.
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JcDent posted:Any other talk about Cold War tanks/Soviet tech? I do love me some stories about it Here you go friend
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JcDent posted:Any other talk about Cold War tanks/Soviet tech? I do love me some stories about it My favourite story is the words spoken by Chuikov approving the T-62 project: "Why are you bringing up some nonsense about balancers? Mount it on a pig if you want, but I want this gun!"
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Has popular history misled me or was Chuikov, in fact, a badass communist pirate?
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Nov 25, 2014 06:14
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I don't know about piracy, but his contemporaries recall that he swore like a sailor.
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mllaneza posted:The protected cruiser added a curved protective deck. The red lines are armor, the wavy blue lines are the waterline, and the dark grey compartments are filled with coal. Was there much of a threat of coal fires being started? Or was the main concern just penetration into the crew/machinery?
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HEY GAL posted:It doesn't say, it could have been either. At that time point, the Tatars were still quite a force in the Crimea etc. dude could have been from todays southern Ukraine/Moldova. Tatars in Russia proper (Kazan mostly) or further south (Astrakhan Khanate) were pretty subjugated at that point, so my money is on a dude from Crimea. Possible language could be some form of a Slavic language, due to the extensive affairs with Poland Lithuania, it isnt that unlikely that Tatar dude was a merc for the Poles, learned some Polish on the job, pissed off someone and decided that running away further west was less likely to get him killed then running through Poland back to his homelands.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I don't know about piracy, but his contemporaries recall that he swore like a sailor. Ah, Chuikov! A peasants son from a small village, his father was the guy of organizing ice fights (5 young risk loving man from one village meet 5 young risk loving men from another village on a frozen lake, and beat each other up. Hitting people that are down is strictly forbidden, and also somewhat suicidal. Victorious village gets bragging rights, victorious dudes will propably get laid) in his area. He did in fact swear a lot (the easiest way to translate anything attributed to Chuikov to what he actually said is to replace all the communist jargon with varying versions of "gently caress" ), and had a sense of humor that reasonated with his men pretty well. He was also pretty brutal, and occassionally beat people that hosed up, but as far as people that worked with him are concerned, he punished for "intentional" fuckups, not because you simply couldnt possibly carry out some order. Lieing to him was reportedly a quick way to meet your maker really fast. He was also quite adamant about personally sharing the hardships of his troops, and this was a huge thing. As far as "good bosses" go, this still set him apart from the likes of Zhukov or Koniev. He also gave credit to good subordinates, even very major credit on occassion.
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100 Years Ago It probably isn't good for my click stats to say this, but we've got a relatively dull day today (the Germans finish escaping from Lodz, Austria-Hungary continues marching on Belgrade ten yards at a time) and I've used it mostly to transfer over to the blog something I did on here a few months ago about what famous WW2 types did in WW1. There will be sequels! (I'm also working on dull-day effortposts about, in no particular order: estaminets; prostitutes; chaplains; trench foot; jam-tin bombs; charitable giving; buying arms instead of building factories to make them; trench newspapers; the difference between despicable looting, petty theft, and acceptable appropriation; discipline outwith the BEF; the shite infantrymen had to carry everywhere on their backs; bringing the rations up; military executions; why the Grenadier Guards are stuck-up bastards; and other popular patriotic songs besides just this one. There's certainly no shortage of things to write about when there aren't any new developments going on.)
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Mightypeon posted:Possible language could be some form of a Slavic language, due to the extensive affairs with Poland Lithuania, it isnt that unlikely that Tatar dude was a merc for the Poles, learned some Polish on the job, pissed off someone and decided that running away further west was less likely to get him killed then running through Poland back to his homelands. Although I need to say that there's a lot of turnover even without having to piss someone off to find a motivation to leave. It's perfectly normal for career soldiers to just drift around from army to army during the course of their lives. Trin Tragula posted:the difference between despicable looting, petty theft, and acceptable appropriation... 
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HEY GAL posted:It doesn't say, it could have been either. Could've been Crimean, that's not a completely preposterous trip. ("He says he's a Tartar, so let's just... put that down.")
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GreyjoyBastard posted:("He says he's a Tartar, so let's just... put that down.")
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Trin Tragula posted:(I'm also working on dull-day effortposts about, in no particular order: estaminets; prostitutes; chaplains; trench foot; jam-tin bombs; charitable giving; buying arms instead of building factories to make them; trench newspapers; the difference between despicable looting, petty theft, and acceptable appropriation; discipline outwith the BEF; the shite infantrymen had to carry everywhere on their backs; bringing the rations up; military executions; why the Grenadier Guards are stuck-up bastards; and other popular patriotic songs besides just this one. There's certainly no shortage of things to write about when there aren't any new developments going on.) You better start writting the gently caress right now.
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Trin Tragula posted:the difference between despicable looting, petty theft, and acceptable appropriation; When the enemy do it When our allies do it When we do it?
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Trin Tragula posted:100 Years Ago I for one always go listen to this when you post it in the thread. It invariably improves my mood.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Could've been Crimean, that's not a completely preposterous trip. ("He says he's a Tartar, so let's just... put that down.") Tatars exist/have existed all over eastern Europe, not only Crimea. The biggest group nowadays is Volga Tatars (guess where they live?), but there also still are Tatars in Lithuania who've been there since the 14th century Back in 1681 I imagine there would have been a lot more of Tatar communities in the area in 1681 than there are today so it doesn't surprise me a bit if some ended up in Saxony.  Lithuanian Tatars in Napoleonic Army
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Why, it's the difference between the corrupt oligarchs in Ukraine versus the honest graft of the oligarchs in Russia!
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I guess back in her times, it was all called "hey, look what I found!"
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Siivola posted:I guess back in her times, it was all called "hey, look what I found!" For a fun intellectual exercise, compare this to the right to levy taxes, one of the hallmarks of a...let's go with "statelike political entity." What differentiates a mercenary regiment from one of those? They have the right of High Justice as well. Banér called his army "my outspread state." HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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War, war never changes. "Troops would be asked: "What do you think of the 75 recoilless?" The answer would be negative. Inquiry would then develop that they have never once used the gun, they disliked it because it was heavy."
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Is it just me, or has the soldier's load invariably been "About 100 pounds, give or take 10" thoroughout recorded history?
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Spacewolf posted:Is it just me, or has the soldier's load invariably been "About 100 pounds, give or take 10" thoroughout recorded history?
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Spacewolf posted:Is it just me, or has the soldier's load invariably been "About 100 pounds, give or take 10" thoroughout recorded history? I read something along those lines somewhere, coupled with a suggestion that that's because the carrying capacity of the soldier hasn't changed that much. Soldiers will always be asked to carry as much as they can carry while still marching useful distances.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:I read something along those lines somewhere, coupled with a suggestion that that's because the carrying capacity of the soldier hasn't changed that much. Soldiers will always be asked to carry as much as they can carry while still marching useful distances. The soldier's warload is like an ideal gas and expands to fill his carrying capacity? HEY GAL posted:His name was given as "Nicholas Tartar," so I'm imagining some hellscape of consonants for the dude's actual last name with a German squinting at it helplessly. Something like Brzęczyszczykiewicz?
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Today's 17th century term is billiardeur. It means a dude who signs up for a regiment for the up-front money you get and then deserts at first chance. Since you can get about one-two months pay in one shot while doing this, people did it a lot.
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xthetenth posted:The soldier's warload is like an ideal gas and expands to fill his carrying capacity? If an officer can imagine a situation where a 1-pound X will be useful, he will order each soldier to carry that pound until they are no longer able to march with all that weight. I remember reading about the sabres issued to each soldier in Napoleonic France, that tended to be discarded because they weren't useful for much other than chopping firewood.
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Chamale posted:If an officer can imagine a situation where a 1-pound X will be useful, he will order each soldier to carry that pound until they are no longer able to march with all that weight. I remember reading about the sabres issued to each soldier in Napoleonic France, that tended to be discarded because they weren't useful for much other than chopping firewood. Soldiers of the Napoleonic period were very stupid about what they discarded, at least to the outside observer. I think a lot of it is just decision-making over very short timeframes - ie, It's July, I'm not carrying around this god drat greatcoat because I could easily be dead in two months.
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Chamale posted:If an officer can imagine a situation where a 1-pound X will be useful, he will order each soldier to carry that pound until they are no longer able to march with all that weight. I remember reading about the sabres issued to each soldier in Napoleonic France, that tended to be discarded because they weren't useful for much other than chopping firewood. Sgt. Bourgogne's memoirs suggest that the sabres were very useful for chopping pieces off of frozen horse corpses to eat
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Soldiers of the Napoleonic period were very stupid about what they discarded, at least to the outside observer. I think a lot of it is just decision-making over very short timeframes - ie, It's July, I'm not carrying around this god drat greatcoat because I could easily be dead in two months. I like the ones who throw away dice and playing cards before a big battle because of superstitions. Then reading about the dudes who survived awkwardly returning to get them later no doubt a couple of Aces short.
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Bro Enlai posted:Sgt. Bourgogne's memoirs suggest that the sabres were very useful for chopping pieces off of frozen horse corpses to eat 
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HEY GAL posted:His name was given as "Nicholas Tartar," so I'm imagining some hellscape of consonants for the dude's actual last name with a German squinting at it helplessly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlOoSsfU6cM EDIT: Beaten by a mile. drat it. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Kemper Boyd posted:Today's 17th century term is billiardeur. It means a dude who signs up for a regiment for the up-front money you get and then deserts at first chance. Since you can get about one-two months pay in one shot while doing this, people did it a lot. Still not unheard-of in spring 1914 in Britain! The standard scam was to enlist, stick it out as long as possible depending on temperament, and then do one with your civilian clothes, all your kit, and as much sundry other crap as you felt comfortable confiscating from the blokes and/or the stores. Walk a few towns over, convert the Army's gear into cash (and, shortly thereafter, booze) with someone who didn't ask questions, keep walking while
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Didn't they have some kind of means to discover deserters? You'd think the army would take issue with people running off with their stuff.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Didn't they have some kind of means to discover deserters? You'd think the army would take issue with people running off with their stuff.
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Just gonna mention that forgottenweapons.com has a crapload of really interesting obscure firearms (many of them military) from throughout history on it.
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