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Oxyclean posted:Well you have items that let you carry two trinkets, two pills/two cards. Perhaps an item that lets you carry two spacebar item around? If that needs to be tuned down a bit perhaps they share a charge in some manner? Two spacebar items would be broken as hell, especially when thinking about the possible combinations, like revelations and holy tract giving you virtually infinite health esp when considering the number of ways to increase charge quickly There's other combos too that would be just more mundanely broken, like blood bank and slot machine (esp with luck foot) or bottle of pills with any attack spacebar item, deck of cards with the same attack spacebar The thing about trinkets and pills and why giving two slots isn't broken is that trinkets are really marginally effective and pills and cards are consumable, not permanent
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But there's plenty of broken and powerful items in the game. One that allows you to possibly get a broken combo of spacebar items doesn't seem that bad considering you need to find those spacebar items still. Honestly I feel like a lot of attack spacebar items are unreliable (cookbook)/not good without something else (tammy's head.) In general I usually hate finding spacebar items because you can only carry one, so if you have something decent you end up feeling like you got a wasted item room. Being able to carry two spacebar items would certainly make me use more of the lackluster ones rather then passing them up. Also, it could just as easily be balanced by rarity. e: It also would facilitate a different kind of playstyle/run.
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Nov 25, 2014 18:58
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As a compromise, how about an item that just doubles the spacebar item's charge bar? You could get 2 uses out of it before it was exhausted, but it would still recharge at the same rate so 2 charges would require as many room clears as using it twice normally.
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haveblue posted:As a compromise, how about an item that just doubles the spacebar item's charge bar? You could get 2 uses out of it before it was exhausted, but it would still recharge at the same rate so 2 charges would require as many room clears as using it twice normally. That item is already in the game though? The Battery does exactly that. Edit: maybe 
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The only change to items I would make is to take Pageant Boy out of the game entirely. You can potentially get more out of one secret room than what that item gives you.
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Nov 25, 2014 19:09
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emanresu tnuocca posted:That item is already in the game though? The Battery does exactly that. I thought the battery did something else? Did they change it for Rebirth? If I did describe something that's literally in the game already, then, well, 
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haveblue posted:I thought the battery did something else? Did they change it for Rebirth? In the original BOI it slowly recharged your item over time. I guess Ed realized that it enabled a lot of dumb/scummy/broken behavior, so he changed it. Now the only items that can recharge over time are single-point ones like Tammy's Head (if you have the 9-volt or triple a battery).
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Here's a question for ya guys: if I have the Holy Mantle as the Lost and come across an arcade, does this mean I can use the Blood Donation machine once every time I walk in and out of the room, or will it just kill me outright? I need to know but am afraid to just try and see, it took me ages to start scum this drat thing and even then the game is screwing me by giving me midas touch, mom's pad, the virus, <3, and an angel room with eternal hearts. The only worthwhile thing I have is the krampus head really. e: found a wiki that says it cant be used on blood donation, bummer. Logan 5 fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 19:29
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Twin space bar items would be crazy. Imagine the Book of Belial combo'd with Tammy's Head, or having both the Book of Revelations and the Satanic Bible. Imagine starting as Isaac with the D6 and never having to drop it.
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Justin_Brett posted:The only change to items I would make is to take Pageant Boy out of the game entirely. You can potentially get more out of one secret room than what that item gives you. Pageant Boy really needs some kind of passive buff. Oh boy, 7 coins 
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RoboCicero posted:Pageant Boy really needs some kind of passive buff. Oh boy, 7 coins Sometimes one of those coins is a nickel or dime, though...
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Ferroque posted:Sometimes one of those coins is a nickel or dime, though... Maybe it should always be. If Pageant Boy dropped enough to guarantee one top-shelf store item that would make it very significant.
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Pageant Boy gives you a spiffy hat, what more could you possibly want?
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I'm still pushing through with this Lost run just because I have the Holy Mantle. The game has decided that I need Breakfast, a dog treat, the relic, to face the Adversary as my Necropolis 1 boss, and another Angel room, but instead of eternal hearts this time it has soul hearts! 
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Anatharon posted:Also as Azazel my first Devil Room item was a lump of coal. Turn that frown upside-downs, Anatharon, because Brimstone + Coal is actually just a straight-up damage boost!  Possibly increasing the longer the beam has been on the screen (because that's what determines coal damage boosts normally, not distance from you), but probably a flat boost to each tick of damage your Brimstone shot does.
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The Lost really isn't fun. It takes away too many of the strategies that make the game fun to play in the first place.
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For getting Lost do you have to sacrifice yourself with both the Missing Poster and the Mysterious Paper or can it be one or the other? I unlocked the paper but haven't gotten it to drop yet, and I've already done it with the poster.
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Waffle! posted:For getting Lost do you have to sacrifice yourself with both the Missing Poster and the Mysterious Paper or can it be one or the other? I unlocked the paper but haven't gotten it to drop yet, and I've already done it with the poster. You don't need to unlock the missing poster or see puzzle pieces to do the chain of deaths that unlocks The Lost. All you need to do is the death sequence. I think The Lost could be an interesting/fun character if his item pools were modified so he wouldn't see any items that are useless for him, such as things that only get health ups, soul hearts, etc. I'm sure someone will complain that would take away the some of the challenge, but at least it would give him an interesting gimmick/tradeoff. Stuff that's HP up + something else or all stats up are fine.
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gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress Actually made it to Mom with the Lost on Hard with the Holy Mantle and nothing really but a single tears up pill, concussive tears, and Krampus' Head. Except I accidentally teleported into the Mom fight with a telepill and no full charge on the Krumpus Head. Its a blue champion Mom who spits out Greed Heads and big spiders. gently caress you the Lost, you are the worst. e: the seed for anybody curious/masochistic: DJ04 VEE4 Logan 5 fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 20:47
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As far as DLC suggestions go, why not start with patching the stupid loving behavior of burrowing enemies that allow them to hurt you without you being able to do poo poo about it. That would be a nice start I think.
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I finally realized you can just savescum with the lost. The day is saved!
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FrickenMoron posted:I finally realized you can just savescum with the lost. The day is saved! Pooooooooosyyyyyyyy
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Ive spent 15+ hours of attempting lost runs and all i got done was hard mode moms heart/isaac kill, so screw that.
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what's the point of going for the achievement if you're just going to cheat. or even play the lost, really.
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I want all of the items in my rotation, simple as that.
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Agent Kool-Aid posted:what's the point of going for the achievement if you're just going to cheat. or even play the lost, really. To be fair the Lost's items are really cool and make angel rooms just as good as devil deals. I don't think I'll ever get tired of the godhead, personally.
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Logan 5 posted:gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress I had Triple Shot, Torn Photo, Max's Head, Box of Tarot Cards on Basement 1. It was amazing. Entered an arena on Basement 2, Dingle spawns on top of me. The Lost is an experiment in pushing human beings until they crack.
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I got the book of revelations and it made me fight monstro and not the the gate. This meat head is real sad right now. But before that I did, for the first time, boss rush and beat the chest with azazel. Got three wacky items unlocked in one crazy game where I got chocolate milk (did nothing???) quad shot (one shot all bosses?) and brimstone (from anywhere). That poo poo was nuts. e: Third floor in a row with curse of the unknown. If I just used a book of revelations I know I have at least one hit... right? Krinkle fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Platinum God status: obtained Now the real fun begins.
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So magnetic tears + increased knockback + a ton of tears up pills is really fun. Everything in the room will be sucked into your tractor beam of death, but the knockback means they don't get sucked into your face like normal. Then in the Dark Room I became Guppy and got Technology, so the Lamb and Mega Satan died to room-sized clouds of flies.
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Finally decided to unlock the Lost, I felt really bad giving up two of the best Judas/Azazel runs i've had for it too. Felt really stupid when I picked up Guppy's Collar as Azazel without thinking, and then really smart when I accidentally beat Satan's second form(Daddy Longlegs) and died and then came in and died properly to his second form. Also three Bandage Girls and then Conquest arghhhhh.
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Jusupov posted:You can make your own if you extract the gamefiles and just put challenges.xml to \resources\ How do I do these things. I would like to do these things.
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Oh my god I just saw this on steam, did not know the game was programmed like this. This is retarded and awesome and I want to get brimstone now just to DBZ fight Monstro and The Fallen, etc  Sorry if this is well known, this thread moves too fast for me to keep up with.
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beep by grandpa posted:Oh my god I just saw this on steam, did not know the game was programmed like this. This is retarded and awesome and I want to get brimstone now just to DBZ fight Monstro and The Fallen, etc holy poo poo 
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That looks crazy, can anyone confirm that this works? I'd like to see a video before I believe that's possible.
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Yeah, if someone out there reading this goes and tests this out and it works don't even loving think of coming back here without a video edit: no one will get this but all that pic needs is a QTE prompt under it that says PROTECT EARTH beep by grandpa fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Brimstone shots don't have a travel time, do they? How the hell are you even supposed to time a beam collision, if that pic isn't a montage? edit: never mind, it would work anyway if they wanted it to, but I don't see how without someone taking damage
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I just had my first game where the dark bum was completely useless. I got the Epic Fetus on the first floor and the Satanic Bible soon after. (Sometimes the RNG just decides that you're going to win...) Everything died instantly before it could hurt me, so I spend 90% of the game walking around with 12 sin hearts. I even got a couple of those womb-themed super secret rooms with a billion hearts in them, which would be amazing for the dark bum if I had any room for more hearts. Also I learned that Guppy doesn't work with the epic fetus. I never spawned a single blue fly. Mangoose posted:Brimstone shots don't have a travel time, do they? How the hell are you even supposed to time a beam collision, if that pic isn't a montage? They don't have a travel time, but they have a non-zero duration. Just shoot before Monstro does. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Just got a devil room as Judas with Nail for two hearts and Dead Cat for 1 heart. I have two heart containers and one soul heart, can I take the cat then sacrifice one life to take the nail. Also should I do this, cause it would involve giving up the Book of Belial obviously.
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ActionZero posted:Just got a devil room as Judas with Nail for two hearts and Dead Cat for 1 heart. I have two heart containers and one soul heart, can I take the cat then sacrifice one life to take the nail. Since you have a soul heart, you won't lose a life when you take the nail. You'll just go down to zero heart containers. Although I would keep the book over the nail, since the increased devil room chance is so good.
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