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Intel&Sebastian posted:Anyone who's been alive for the past 6 years and says racism doesn't exist anymore is being dishonest or is uninformed to an incredible degree. I cannot imagine anyone who's engaged in anyway believing that in earnest without also being willfully ignorant. I think a lot of it has to depend on age too. For instance, my dad (mid-50's) always trots out the old, "Things are a million times better! We were forcing separate drinking fountains and spraying black people with fire hoses back in the late 50's and 60's." He doesn't see the more subtle and underlying racism of today as a problem because nobody is screaming the n-word before spraying black people with a fire hose. That's how he equates "racism" in his mind. Anything short of that is probably up for debate. For instance, if some pundit on Fox News calls a black guy a "thug" I immediately know what he's getting at. My dad just hears the word "thug" and probably wouldn't say that's racist because "thug" isn't the n-word.
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Things are definitely miles better and they still have miles to go before they're ideal. If anything I would say we are still reacting to what happened 50 years ago. It was a Big Deal on the scale of the Industrial revolution (though more constrained to one country).
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Xarthor posted:I think a lot of it has to depend on age too. For instance, my dad (mid-50's) always trots out the old, "Things are a million times better! We were forcing separate drinking fountains and spraying black people with fire hoses back in the late 50's and 60's." I find it hard to fault those people if they are genuinely glad about the progress and not just being obstinate dicks. I hope there's a day in my future where progress has passed me up so hard that I look like a rude-rear end fossil to kids, but I hope they also understand when I reach some point where I trust them to take care of the bleeding edge.
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Nov 25, 2014 22:01
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FMguru posted:Young people are less racist, but only because young people are less white (America's shifting demographics at work). Young white people are just as terrible as white people always are. gently caress off. A lot of young white people do recognize the racism and aren't happy about it. We also do our best to not perpetuate it. Yeah, there are young white people who are assholes, but we also aren't one monolithic whole.
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Nov 25, 2014 22:04
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Dirk the Average posted:gently caress off. A lot of young white people do recognize the racism and aren't happy about it. We also do our best to not perpetuate it. Yeah, there are young white people who are assholes, but we also aren't one monolithic whole. Maybe you young white people should be policing yourselves a little better
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Nov 25, 2014 22:07
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N. Senada posted:Maybe you young white people should be policing yourselves a little better Haha, well played friend goon 
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My dad is literally trying to argue that the police should go back to using firehoses.  To be fair, his argument specifically is that it's actually more humane than rubber bullets, but I have no idea how true that is. In any case, he thinks that the idea that firehoses should be avoided for their historical connotations is ridiculous.
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Or you know allow people to protest. Or fix the issues which they are complaining about. Or use fire hoses.
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LaughMyselfTo posted:My dad is literally trying to argue that the police should go back to using firehoses. Ask him his views on barking K-9 units on leashes being used in conjunction.
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To be fair, I would rather be blasted with a fire hose than shot with a rubber bullet, as the latter has been shown time and time again to be potentially lethal. I'll take "historically insensitive" over "can splatter your brains out" any day.
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Have you considered the effect on those protestors who are water-intolerant?
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CommieGIR posted:Ask him his views on barking K-9 units on leashes being used in conjunction. Outside of the direct symbolism to the civil rights movement he is not incorrect.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Outside of the direct symbolism to the civil rights movement he is not incorrect. I know, I was just throwing imagery around.
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Nov 25, 2014 22:33
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CommieGIR posted:Old guy peddling old views to old people. The 700 Club is literally full of retirement home individuals. Yeah. And Pat Robertson was the only guy I've heard so far this year doing the "It's snowing everywhere! There is no global warming!" bullshit. Never even mind that record snowfall in November is a symptom of climate change but, yeah, he's Pat Robertson. The guy who blamed 9/11 on gays and abortion doctors.
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BiggerBoat posted:Yeah. And Pat Robertson was the only guy I've heard so far this year doing the "It's snowing everywhere! There is no global warming!" bullshit. Never even mind that record snowfall in November is a symptom of climate change but, yeah, he's Pat Robertson. The guy who blamed 9/11 on gays and abortion doctors. Its along the same lines as our new chair of the Environment committee in the Senate: Obviously, God's still up there, so he wouldn't allow this.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Racists being emboldened doesn't happen in a vacuum, and I'm sure I would feel a lot better if racists were being chased back into the shadows the way homophobes are today, rather than whatever benefit comes from them being more visible as they spike the ball in our faces. But, again, how do they justify government overreach, cries of fascism, tyranny and brown shirts and the loss of individual freedom with cops gunning down unarmed citizens in the the streets without consequence? "Yay, cops! boooo, due process, nuke Iran!" All that poo poo. Then they're like "but...but...the constitution!!" They're terrified of living in a police state at the same time they're celebrating it. Almost as if they're hypocrites. There is no silver lining here. The fascists are winning and their victims are cheering it on. They've got everything completely backwards.
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LaughMyselfTo posted:My dad is literally trying to argue that the police should go back to using firehoses. Novel thought to pass on to your dad: how about cops just stop killing unarmed people, then we wouldn't need to use rubber bullets, firehoses ect.
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beatlegs posted:But I'm thinking it might sway a lot of right-leaning independents/centrists who still have souls and bought into the "racism is dead" canard. Maybe this will open thier eyes to what's going on around them. They'll just blame Obama, like they always do, since he was supposed to unite us and end racism, completely forgetting that they themselves have no desire to be united under anything besides the bible (as the read it), guns (for white people) and money (for the job creators).
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BiggerBoat posted:But, again, how do they justify government overreach, cries of fascism, tyranny and brown shirts and the loss of individual freedom with cops gunning down unarmed citizens in the the streets without consequence? "Yay, cops! boooo, due process, nuke Iran!" All that poo poo. Then they're like "but...but...the constitution!!" They're terrified of living in a police state at the same time they're celebrating it.
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Forgall posted:But conservatives are not going to be the victims. It's mostly going to be people who aren't them. Right. Which is why I brought up the Bundy ranch. Those fuckers were legitimately threatening to kill people (law enforcement and soldiers), were armed to the teeth, hiding behind kids - all over a perceived injustice - and the government went "meh...why bother?" A bunch of black people chuck some beer bottles and smash a window or two and it's "call in the National Guard and the SWAT teams!". What the gently caress DID ever happen to Bundy and those dumb fucks anyway? Anything?
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BiggerBoat posted:What the gently caress DID ever happen to Bundy and those dumb fucks anyway? Anything? Here's an update http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/nevada-rancher-bundy-waits-fbi-probes But to sum it up, quote:“One thing that’s happened is, since the standoff, we’ve really enjoyed some liberty and freedoms out here,” Bundy said in an Oct. 30 interview in the front yard of the house his father built in the early 1950s. Edit: reading the rest of it the amount of privileged bullshit coming out of him and the local law enforcement is unbearable. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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N. Senada posted:Maybe you young white people should be policing yourselves a little better I try. I call out people around me when they spout racist bullshit. It's not much, but I've engaged several people in honest discussions and helped change the opinions of people around me. There's a hell of a lot of entrenched racism, some of which I am guilty of. I'm doing my best to recognize and address it.
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As an older goon, I can definitely say that kids are less racist, at least in some senses. As a high schooler back in the 70's in Virginia and Texas, there were no interracial couples. None. Zip. And this was in a fairly moderate, large suburban school. Just wasn't done. Teaching at a very small school now, there have been several "mixed" couples. None of the kids think anything of it. I'm not saying there's no racism at all, but things have definitely changed.
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Dirk the Average posted:I try. I call out people around me when they spout racist bullshit. It's not much, but I've engaged several people in honest discussions and helped change the opinions of people around me. Whatev honky.
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Dirk the Average posted:I try. I call out people around me when they spout racist bullshit. It's not much, but I've engaged several people in honest discussions and helped change the opinions of people around me. Whatev honky.
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Levin's on now, talking about the "indisputable facts" of the case, which of course is Darren Wilson's version of events verbatim. He's also calling for Americans to step up and "defend the hardworking law enforcement officers trying to protect this community." The protests last night were a planned leftist attack in the heart of America. Seems to be bog-standard talking points, but we're only 20 minutes in and he's already been shouting, so we're probably in for a great performance tonight if you can stomach it. (I really don't think I can but I don't really have a choice tonight) v no, I'm just a dumbass 
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Venusian Weasel posted:Darren Brown's Is this some kinda fuckin' fanfiction?
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Huh, the testimony did mention Brown attempting to do a dragonball merge dance with the officer during the altercation in the SUV window but I didn't know it was successful. I thought that had to be consensual?
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Venusian Weasel posted:Levin's on now, talking about the "indisputable facts" of the case, which of course is Darren Brown's version of events verbatim. "Indisputable facts" without any cross examination. Well that's convenient.
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beatlegs posted:"Indisputable facts" without any cross examination. Well that's convenient. Isn't it always? Now let me tell you about the "Indisputable facts" surrounding Benghazi and Obama's birth certificate. Afterwards, we'll discuss Vince Foster' murder.
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It's become more clear recently just how racist Levin is. He was lamenting the fact that white people would be less than 50% of the population in the future. A few months back he was also defending the fact that his own bullshit assumptions about the Ferguson stuff were actually the truth. Which is to say that he assumed the kid was a thug because he was black. Then later he heard some rumors about how he totally tried to grab the cop's gun through the cruiser window after holding up a liquor store, and so therefore it's cool that he totally jumped to the conclusion that Brown was causing trouble because he was black. He's also been a lot less careful recently when talking about "illegals." He used to put in caveats talking about how he wasn't denigrating all of them, but more recently he's just letting it fly about how "they're carrying diseases we've never seen before that can infect your children" and "they're illiterate in their own language!" ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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ErIog posted:It's become more clear recently just how racist Levin is. He was lamenting the fact that white people would be less than 50% of the population in the future. As a white person, I fully support my ethnicity being bred out of existence so the USA can become browner and browner. 
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BiggerBoat posted:Right. Which is why I brought up the Bundy ranch. Those fuckers were legitimately threatening to kill people (law enforcement and soldiers), were armed to the teeth, hiding behind kids - all over a perceived injustice - and the government went "meh...why bother?"
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U.T. Raptor posted:To be fair, I think it was less "why bother" and more "holy poo poo we do not want this to escalate any further". Federal Law Enforcement is also completely different ballgame from local or state level.
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U.T. Raptor posted:To be fair, I think it was less "why bother" and more "holy poo poo we do not want this to escalate any further". I get that but, to tie it in to the thread, when you've half the god damned media out there telling everyone that the President is a left wing fascist who wants to take your guns and institute a tyrannical regime, it's not that much of a stretch to see how these two very similar situations are being handled, reported and spun. One group are heroes who stood up to the machine and the other is a bunch of angry blacks who don't know their place.
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America is racist as poo poo and that saddens me. Electing Obama only brought it all to the forefront.
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Ninjasaurus posted:As a white person, I fully support my ethnicity being bred out of existence so the USA can become browner and browner. This is, of course, primarily a tactic for sex, not social change.
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Dirk the Average posted:gently caress off. A lot of young white people do recognize the racism and aren't happy about it. We also do our best to not perpetuate it. Yeah, there are young white people who are assholes, but we also aren't one monolithic whole. Demographically speaking, even young white people are poo poo. For me, personally, in exchange for the insane amount of privilege I get as a straight white dude from an upper-class background, the least I can do is not actively be a shithead while recognizing the problems within my community. I'll do what I can as a parasite and do what I can to make up for my parasitism as long as, you know, it doesn't seriously hurt my parasitism. I'm just trying to keep the host alive here.
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Ninjasaurus posted:As a white person, I fully support my ethnicity being bred out of existence so the USA can become browner and browner.  You and me both, man. Commence the miscegenation!
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ErIog posted:It's become more clear recently just how racist Levin is. He was lamenting the fact that white people would be less than 50% of the population in the future. On the plus side, I get to constantly laugh at people who are scared of my everyday life, and enjoy the fact they would run away screaming if they ever came near my city. I welcome the rest of the US becoming a giant version of San Antonio, then maybe I won't feel so out of place when I go on vacation. (Seriously, I felt more at home in the Navajo Nation with Native Americans than I did in Utah surrounded by white people. It's amazing how growing up in a certain place changes/skews your perception as to what's "normal".) Ninjasaurus posted:As a white person, I fully support my ethnicity being bred out of existence so the USA can become browner and browner. fade5 fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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