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Man, I'd love to have seen the briefing the Guard dudes got. No way they pulled a unit from the area, would've been too many locals refusing to show up in protest.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-brown-sr-s-church-burned-ferguson-n255961 Brown's father's church was set on fire. You know whose calling card that is.
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Hey guys, don't get me wrong, I love civil disobedience as much as the next guy, but could you maybe get rid of the "disobedience" part? Nobody likes disobedient citizens.
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zen death robot posted:InfoWars Livestreamer is gonna find out why the hell there's a ton a SWAT at a Walgreen's Those sweet deals coming Thursday night, that's why.
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Animal-Mother posted:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-brown-sr-s-church-burned-ferguson-n255961 
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Foma posted:That is true the system does hinder minority influence. They have to walk uphill for change, sucks, isn't fair, isn't right, but isn't a barrier that can't be overcome. I'd love to see your reaction to watching a corrupt & racist system let the killer of your child off of the hook. "Aw shucks! That's too bad. Everyone get together and clasp hands so we can change the system with our positive energy!  "
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Teaching children half assed versions of Ghandi's and MLK's stories is the worst thing that ever happened to civil unrest.
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unlimited shrimp posted:P... Protesters? The loving KKK, in case you really didn't understand.
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30.5 Days posted:Hey guys, don't get me wrong, I love civil disobedience as much as the next guy, but could you maybe get rid of the "disobedience" part? Nobody likes disobedient citizens. You do realize civil disobedience does not include torching random businesses?
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Animal-Mother posted:The loving KKK, in case you really didn't understand. 
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The Ender posted:I'd love to see your reaction to watching a corrupt & racist system let the killer of your child off of the hook. Also, please stay out of the street.
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tsa posted:You do realize civil disobedience does not include torching random businesses? It's probably gonna loving include inconveniencing some people, though.
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The Ender posted:I'd love to see your reaction to watching a corrupt & racist system let the killer of your child off of the hook. Just wait till the next election, we'll fix it all then!
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dialectics posted:Understood, but this point ignores that there were race riots and looting throughout the civil rights movement. Additionally, at a fundamental level, protest is about creating inconvenience; it's about disruption and disobedience. What I'm saying here is that I understand your argument but it's coming from a place of ignorance. To be fair, there's an interesting possibility that the reason such protest methods worked in the 60's is because of how differently media worked back then. Nowadays, the immediacy of information transmittal poses a very important change in how media works, which means the way we all absorb, process, and understand information has to be different. There might be something to the idea that civil disobedience necessarily has to adapt in some way to achieve the desired effect. You know what I'm saying?
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Keg posted:It's a tantrum. Mass hysteria. Anguish. Frustration. Fear. Panic. Why? The pain oin black culture is being blamed on the wrong reason...perceived white oppression. What will draw a disparate group of people together the most efficiently is a common enemy. Hitler unified Germany after their World War I problems and poverty on Jews. Blacks blame their self destruction on whites. So the more blacks have been pushing the wrong button of what has been rapidly lessening white oppression over the last 50 year with no results, the more hysterical the culture is getting. If you were burning up in an increasingly hot room and you were adjusting the wrong thermostat, you'd be getting hysterical too, no? Blaming whites for black cultural and economic paralysis has bore no results because whites, including white police, have not been the most dynamic problem in black communities for decades. A hedonistic , immediate gratification, cultural anarchy, bore of an obsession with materialism, racism, prejudice, sexism, deception, crime, drugs use, homophobia, infighting, and anti-semitism, to name a few, has become an increasing issue in black communities. 
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The Ender posted:I'd love to see your reaction to watching a corrupt & racist system let the killer of your child off of the hook. "Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals."
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Can someone explain what this racist means by 'manufactured responsibility'? https://twitter.com/davidoldfieldau/status/537440153053036544
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tsa posted:"Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." -MLK, guy who got shot in his loving head and had much of his work undone over the past few years
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Pomp posted:It's probably gonna loving include inconveniencing some people, though. There's no problem with inconveniencing people if it wins more over to your cause.
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tsa posted:"Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." "Now I wanted to say something about the fact that we have lived over these last two or three summers with agony and we have seen our cities going up in flames. And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non-violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity." ???!!! If we're just throwing snippets of MLK speeches out in here, there's also what he said about moderate whites too.
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Lemma posted:To be fair, there's an interesting possibility that the reason such protest methods worked in the 60's is because of how differently media worked back then. Nowadays, the immediacy of information transmittal poses a very important change in how media works, which means the way we all absorb, process, and understand information has to be different. There might be something to the idea that civil disobedience necessarily has to adapt in some way to achieve the desired effect. Agreed. I think it's pretty clear that protests aren't as effective anymore for some of the reasons you've cited, and for others you haven't. General complacency is probably one. Though obviously what you're saying is way different than Foma who's talking about how inconveniencing people is bad. Honestly, I'm not really sure what Foma is saying.
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Animal-Mother posted:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-brown-sr-s-church-burned-ferguson-n255961 Black Metalheads get all of the blame, as always.  
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KingEup posted:Can someone explain what this racist means by 'manufactured responsibility'? https://twitter.com/davidoldfieldau/status/537440153053036544 It simply appeared out of nowhere one day like the alien ships in Independence Day.
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KingEup posted:Can someone explain what this racist means by 'manufactured responsibility'? https://twitter.com/davidoldfieldau/status/537440153053036544   
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KingEup posted:Can someone explain what this racist means by 'manufactured responsibility'? https://twitter.com/davidoldfieldau/status/537440153053036544 Liberal Guilt
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Keg posted:It's a tantrum. Mass hysteria. Anguish. Frustration. Fear. Panic. Why? The pain oin black culture is being blamed on the wrong reason...perceived white oppression. What will draw a disparate group of people together the most efficiently is a common enemy. Hitler unified Germany after their World War I problems and poverty on Jews. Blacks blame their self destruction on whites. So the more blacks have been pushing the wrong button of what has been rapidly lessening white oppression over the last 50 year with no results, the more hysterical the culture is getting. If you were burning up in an increasingly hot room and you were adjusting the wrong thermostat, you'd be getting hysterical too, no? Blaming whites for black cultural and economic paralysis has bore no results because whites, including white police, have not been the most dynamic problem in black communities for decades. A hedonistic , immediate gratification, cultural anarchy, bore of an obsession with materialism, racism, prejudice, sexism, deception, crime, drugs use, homophobia, infighting, and anti-semitism, to name a few, has become an increasing issue in black communities. That must have felt super good for you to let out huh
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What in the world is happening with this stldagger person. Why is he yelling at everyone. e: yelling at other media, apparently. "Fuckin' homos"?
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nutranurse posted:-MLK, guy who got shot in his loving head and had much of his work undone over the past few years Malcolm X was murdered as well, so I guess that disproves what he said about violent protest.
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nutranurse posted:-MLK, guy who got shot in his loving head and had much of his work undone over the past few years Proponent of non-violent protest is a victim of violence? Heh, loving owned. Shows how much non-violent protest works, what a tard.
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tsa posted:Malcolm X was murdered as well, so I guess that disproves what he said about violent protest. well really everyone dies so i guess there's only one way out
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Foma posted:We do still have the Voting Rights Act, the Supreme Court only ruled against a section of it, but continue to be wrong, it is entertaining. Care to elaborate on the effect of Shelby? I mean, you sound pretty knowledgeable and pointed about it, I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind 'splaining to everyone how that one section affected the VRA's Section 5 powers, and the remaining routes by which it is applied now.
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The Ender posted:I'd love to see your reaction to watching a corrupt & racist system let the killer of your child off of the hook. You think what people are doing now is going to have a positive effect? I don't I think the protesters are making giant strides backwards. It is now going to be harder to change things for the better. Yes, I believe in democracy, I think the system we have going for it is good and solid, I think a lot of the problems we have are do to people not participating in those systems and being disenfranchised. I think constant cynicism is self hobbling.
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tsa posted:"Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." And then MLK had his head blown off while he was on a hotel balcony, and riots erupted in cities all over the United States. I mean, I totally agree that the riots are unlikely to lead anywhere good, and that this probably just represents a continuation of a violent cycle. But I'm also in a bubble of extraordinary social privilege as far as my ethnicity is concerned and I didn't just have a family member shot dead by the police (who then lied about & defamed said family member in order to try and excuse the crime). Quoting an enraged father in the context used by Foma is ridiculous.
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tsa posted:Malcolm X was murdered as well, so I guess that disproves what he said about violent protest. So I guess not protesting at all is the only viable solution!
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