ActusRhesus posted:

so you would prefer the officer be shot?

Talmonis posted:

I'd rather they use discretion rather than go in guns blazing. Again. If discretion in the use of lethal force leads to a few more cops dying in the line of duty (the threat of which really is the only reason it is a "duty" at all), so be it. At least they have funds for that poo poo. Where's the pension for the family of every non-violent offender they gun down for not putting their hands up fast enough? Or too fast? Or talking back? Or running? Seriously, gently caress your hero worship of the armed thugs across the country.

Talmonis posted:

I'd rather they use discretion rather than go in guns blazing. Again. If discretion in the use of lethal force leads to a few more cops dying in the line of duty (the threat of which really is the only reason it is a "duty" at all), so be it. At least they have funds for that poo poo. Where's the pension for the family of every non-violent offender they gun down for not putting their hands up fast enough? Or too fast? Or talking back? Or running? Seriously, gently caress your hero worship of the armed thugs across the country.

ActusRhesus posted:

it really is a stunning display of privilege. but then, I have to worry about getting shot (not by cops) leaving my office too late at night. What can I say...it leaves me with a bit of a bias.

Flectarn posted:

you are mentally ill

ActusRhesus posted:

wrongful death suits.

ActusRhesus posted:

and your basis for saying that is what?

Talmonis posted:

So they get to go bankrupt paying people like you to maybe have a shot at being paid off by a powerful, country wide organization? How noble.

Kaal posted:

You have delusions of paranoia.

ActusRhesus posted:

your privilege is showing.

Kaal posted:

You have delusions of paranoia.

Kaal posted:

It's really funny to see conservatives try to use liberal language and fail miserably.

Kaal posted:

It's really funny to see conservatives try to use liberal language and fail miserably.

ActusRhesus posted:

no. the fact you live and work in an area so secure that you immediately assume anyone who doesn't feel safe in their environment MUST be paranoid is, in fact, a sign of privilege.

ActusRhesus posted:

no. the fact you live and work in an area so secure that you immediately assume anyone who doesn't feel safe in their environment MUST be paranoid is, in fact, a sign of privilege.

Kaal posted:

Nope, go back to school. The fact that you are trying to misappropriate privilege to mean "not scared of the poors" is pretty telling of your own politics though.

Kaal posted:

Nope, go back to school. The fact that you are trying to misappropriate privilege to mean "not scared of the poors" is pretty telling of your own politics though.

Flectarn posted:

this person is allowed a gun jfc. what a country!!

ActusRhesus posted:

Way to miss my point. You live in a world where the possibility of violence is unthinkable. That certainly shows a level of socio economic privilege.

ActusRhesus posted:

Way to miss my point. You live in a world where the possibility of violence is unthinkable. That certainly shows a level of socio economic privilege.

Cole posted:

Kaal posted:

You don't have a point, you're just reiterating "check your privilege" over and over hoping that it will stick. This is a really dumb rhetorical trick that is used by a certain kind of Internet conservative. You apparently live in New England, where being a cop is an incredibly safe job. Therefore your belief in everyday danger is nothing more than a delusion of paranoia.

ActusRhesus posted:

I'm not a cop.

Kaal posted:

You're a terrible poster and your ideas are offensive to a modern democratic society.

Kaal posted:

still engage in the cowardly belief that you are so endangered and downtrodden that police need to come out guns blazing in order to protect you. Wake up.

Cole posted:

Did you know that the United States isn't a democracy?

CheesyDog posted:

Look guys, we all know that law firms are infamous for being located in the middle of the worst parts of town with the highest crime rates and not in upscale office buildings near courthouses. He's taking his life into his very hands the second he steps out of his office (located between a crackhouse and a meth lab) into the ghetto battlefield.

Kaal posted:

Yeah I'd say that his sudden absence from the thread is obviously because he's being mugged in the street right now.

ActusRhesus posted:

where did I say I have a gun?

quote:

Levi Frasier was on his way to work when he saw police activity and pulled over his van to get a better look.

At first, he said, undercover narcotics officers asked him to “help them” get the suspect under control.

Frasier said that before he could react, Jones and Evans arrived. They told him to get back.

Frasier said he grabbed his Samsung tablet and started recording video.

It is apparent from the video that at least one of the officers saw Frasier. The word “camera!” can be heard on tape shortly after Jones punches Flores.

Frasier said, officers on scene threatened him with arrest, demanded he turn over all photos and videotape to them and then seized his tablet over his objections.

“When he took it, I said, ‘Hey! You can’t do that. You need a warrant for that!’ and he said, ‘What program did you take the video with? Where is that?’” Frasier said.

He said police ignored his objections and dug through his personal photos without obtaining a court order.

“The first officer that comes up to ask me about my witness statement brings me to the police car and says we could do this the easy way or we could do this the hard way,” Fraser said. “It was taken as ‘You can either cooperate and give us what we want or we’re going to incarcerate you.’”

Cole posted:

Based on what he said and how you have blown it out of proportion, I could probably tell you it's hot outside and you would look for fire.

Sir Tonk posted:

http://kdvr.com/2014/11/24/denver-police-accused-of-excessive-force-illegal-search/

quote:

Man arrested for pointing banana at deputies near Grand Junction
POSTED 1:30 PM, NOVEMBER 25, 2014, BY WILL C. HOLDEN, UPDATED AT 02:11PM, NOVEMBER 25, 2014

MESA COUNTY, Colo. — In an incident that has been described as everything from comical to life threatening by the involved parties, the arrest of Nathen Channing this week might also be described as timely.

Channing, a 27-year-old Fruitvale resident, was taken into custody on Sunday night for pointing a banana at a pair of Mesa County Sheriff’s deputies, both of whom initially believed the piece of fruit was a handgun.

The arrest came a day before a grand jury in Ferguson, Mo., decided not to indict police officer Darren Wilson, who classified Michael Brown as menacing before he shot and killed him — a classification that has been widely criticized.

The same sort of criticism might be levied at the pair of Mesa County deputies who mistook a banana for a handgun. Then again, there are plenty of others who would say Channing got exactly what he deserved for antagonizing a pair of law enforcement officers who put themselves in harm’s way on a daily basis.

The two involved Mesa County deputies were identified as Joshua Bunch and Donald Love, both of whom were identified as victims in the case against Channing, who was arrested on two counts of felony menacing.

In an arrest affidavit, Bunch wrote that he was driving northbound over the 29 Road bridge just north of D Road in unincorporated Mesa County, which is just east of Grand Junction, when he noticed Channing walking on the sidewalk. Eventually, Bunch wrote, Channing “reached into the left side of his coat and pulled out a yellow object, pointing it into the air then in my direction as I approached him.”

“Fearing it was a weapon,” Bunch wrote that he sped off. And knowing Love was traveling behind him, Bunch said he radioed his fellow deputy to warn him. As he returned to the area, Bunch wrote he witnessed Channing point the same object at Love.

As Love got out of his vehicle and approached Channing, Bunch wrote his fellow deputy said he “observed what appeared to be a yellow tube with a black center” and also stated he “thought it was a gun.”

“Deputy Love stated he was in fear for his life at this point and was in the process of pulling out his handgun when Nathen yelled, ‘It’s a banana!'” Bunch wrote.

In describing his own misinterpretation of the object, Bunch wrote that “based on training and experience, I have seen handguns in many shapes and colors and perceived this to be a handgun.”

After identifying the object as harmless, the two deputies approached Channing, asking him to explain his actions.

“Nathen stated he does a lot of ‘YouTube’ and thought it would be a ‘funny joke,'” Bunch wrote. “Nathen explained he did it to a friend who was also driving in the area and his friend thought it was funny.”

Noticing no cameras in the area, Bunch wrote that he pressed Channing for details about whether he was going to post video of the incident on YouTube. At that point Channing admitted this was a “‘trial run’ of the joke,” and that he was not recording it, according to the affidavit.

“Nathen’s only explanation for pointing the banana at law enforcement was it was a joke,” Bunch wrote. “He thought it would, ‘lighten the holiday spirit.'”

When Bunch explained that to Channing that he wasn’t laughing, and that “these matters are taken very seriously,” Channing apologized for the incident and admitted he “may have taken the joke too far,” according to the affidavit.

Apparently deeming his apology as insufficient after discussing the incident further, the deputies placed Channing under arrest, with Bunch writing “Nathen, by physical action, knowingly placed Deputy Love and I in imminent fear by use of an article fashioned in the manner to cause us to reasonably believe it was a deadly weapon.”

If convicted of the charges detailed in his arrest affidavit, Channing could receive one to three years in prison and a fine of between $1,000 and $100,000.

CheesyDog posted:

I could probably tell him there's a black guy outside and he would start to fire.

Rah! posted:

Hey did you guys know that bananas are deadly weapons and look exactly like guns?

http://kdvr.com/2014/11/25/man-arrested-for-pointing-banana-at-deputies-near-grand-junction/




Just our brave, expertly trained, heroic peace officers at work, putting the dangerous evil-doers away.

Rah! posted:

Hey did you guys know that bananas are deadly weapons and look exactly like guns?

http://kdvr.com/2014/11/25/man-arrested-for-pointing-banana-at-deputies-near-grand-junction/




Just our brave, expertly trained, heroic peace officers at work, putting the dangerous evil-doers away.

Rah! posted:

Hey did you guys know that bananas are deadly weapons and look exactly like guns?

Cole posted:

Do you know why it's illegal to point things at the police that could be mistaken for weapons?

I'll give you 12 years to consider your answer.

Kugyou no Tenshi posted:

Of course the guy pointing a banana at cops is from Fruitvale.