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God drat today's issue owned so hard. Thor's moment was the loving best. Molecule Man and Doom doing things. The whole triage. Everyone was awesome. poo poo is going down and I'm loving every second of it.
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Nov 26, 2014 16:29
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But really what the gently caress was that art
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Nov 26, 2014 16:52
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gently caress flipping COINS, yo. I am flipping this PURE ONE-FACETED CRYSTALLINE STRUCTURE THAT IS PURE LIGHT ON ONE SIDE AND PURE DARKNESS ON THE OTHER.
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Nov 26, 2014 17:18
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Rabum Alal is going to be the Beyonder. Ivory kings are alternate versions of him having a huge circle jerk causing worlds to collide. When the heroes finally confront him he says "I realise now I've been doing this all wrong!". Then he smashes a bunch of earths together and exclaims "BATTLEWORLD!".
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Nov 26, 2014 17:19
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Senor Candle posted:But really what the gently caress was that art redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 17:21
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I don't know if it's just the colorist that produces something like this. I guess most of it over all doesn't look awful, but all I can see is how chubby his face is. I think Dr. Strange looks especially strange as well.
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Nov 26, 2014 17:33
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I have no idea what's going on with his right arm. He left the left one and his right one was fine but then he grabs the hammer and now that one is metal too?
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Nov 26, 2014 17:39
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I think Thor lost his left arm and had it replaced with the Destroyer's or something? Not sure if that has been covered yet actually.
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Nov 26, 2014 17:48
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That's Thorr from the evil Avengers AIM pulled out, not Thor.
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Nov 26, 2014 18:10
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Blockhouse posted:That's Thorr from the evil Avengers AIM pulled out, not Thor.
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Nov 26, 2014 18:12
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It's not? WELL I'M FULL OF poo poo THEN
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Nov 26, 2014 18:13
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Blockhouse posted:It's not? Read the issue again buddy! Also, I'm wondering if Hickman put in that whole evil Avengers team just so Thor could have a hammer at this point. Senor Candle fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 18:13
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I was ok with the art. The faces were a little off but the tones matched the series well enough, I honestly wouldn't have really noticed if you had mentioned it. It was certainly not as bad as NA 22. At least here the colors were still in tone. Also; holy gently caress that was amazing. Ever issue of this series just blows me away. I think the Ivory Kings have to be alternate earth Illuminati, Rabum Alal being the Beyonder makes sense; I can't see the Beyonder not coming back given that there's a new Secret
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Nov 26, 2014 18:27
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Ya that's not bad guy Thor it's just Thor using his hammer. I dunno why he had two metal arms
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Nov 26, 2014 18:30
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So if The Ivory Kings are fighting a war against Rabum Alal, I wonder what the Ebony Kings are and what they're doing?
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Nov 26, 2014 18:33
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Blockhouse posted:It's not?
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Nov 26, 2014 18:33
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jsoh posted:Ya that's not bad guy Thor it's just Thor using his hammer. I dunno why he had two metal arms
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Nov 26, 2014 18:38
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redbackground posted:One arm is the regular metal arm (holding the hammer) and the other arm is covered in his insta-armor that Faüxlnir brought into being for fun fighty times. You'll notice he was just wearing a red sash and pants earlier. In that case, it's the wrong arm that's metal in the picture.  Edit: Actually, looking at it again, I think the colorist just hosed up badly. Thor's metal arm has banding going up and down it (like the Destroyer) in every other picture featuring it, and the left (correct) arm in the picture also has that. His right arm (the one holding the hammer) doesn't have that at all, but does have bulging veins. I'm don't know why a metal arm would have bulging veins. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 18:47
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No it's not? Chubby Thor just has a glove or something on his right arm.
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Nov 26, 2014 18:50
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Senor Candle posted:No it's not? Edit: I just realized you were responding to him, not me, never mind Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 18:56
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Starsnostars posted:So if The Ivory Kings are fighting a war against Rabum Alal, I wonder what the Ebony Kings are and what they're doing? I'm guessing the Ebony Kings are an alternate Cabal that are running around just destroying whatever for the fun of it. Since they're not the root cause the Ivory Kings have them lower on the list of current problems; just like the current Illuminati do.
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Nov 26, 2014 18:59
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Skwirl posted:
Oh! Sorry, I didn't read the post you were quoting. EDIT: Oh hey you edited your post.
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Nov 26, 2014 19:02
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Starsnostars posted:So if The Ivory Kings are fighting a war against Rabum Alal, I wonder what the Ebony Kings are and what they're doing? Taken to their methodical extremes, If the Ivory Kings are the Illuminati, the Ebony Kings have got to be the Cabal. edit: dammit, beaten
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Nov 26, 2014 20:08
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The Ebony Kings were probably just a mistake, they've only been mentioned once IIRC while the Ivory Kings have been mentioned repeatedly. Wouldn't be the first time Hickman's made a mix-up with names, Bentley-23 was originally Bentley-32.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:58
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Horrible Taste posted:The Ebony Kings were probably just a mistake, they've only been mentioned once IIRC while the Ivory Kings have been mentioned repeatedly. Wouldn't be the first time Hickman's made a mix-up with names, Bentley-23 was originally Bentley-32. That wouldn't have necessarily been Hickman's fault. More likely the letterer. EDIT: I guess I should say it could have easily been either. Not that it really matters though. Senor Candle fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 21:00
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Next you're going to tell me Hulk's full name wasn't supposed to be Robert Bruce Banner.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:04
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I love this run, it's god drat amazing. The biggest problem I have, and this is more with Marvel in general, is that eventually, everything has to go back to "status quo" but how the gently caress do you have everything go back to normal when the Illuminati were killing worlds? Strange is still doing it! You can't have them all be buddy buddy with the Avengers ever again which of course leads back to the idea that Secret Wars ends with a reboot.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:43
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E the Shaggy posted:I love this run, it's god drat amazing. How the gently caress do you have everything go back to normal when Tony Stark is running SHIELD and Captain America is dead? Think of the "return to status quo" as an ongoing story instead of a flipped switch. Civil War brought us Secret Invasion brought us Dark Reign brought us Siege brought us The Heroic Age. The fallout from Hickman's opus will probably take some time to settle as well, and that's a good thing, because it means that instead of one good story we could get multiple good stories. Marvel is not gonna have a reboot.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:58
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There's not going to be a reboot because Marvel couldn't keep a lid on it. We'd be seeing the advertisements for the number 1's already.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:59
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:How the gently caress do you have everything go back to normal when Tony Stark is running SHIELD and Captain America is dead? To be fair, both of those are easier to reverse.
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Nov 26, 2014 22:03
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Whoever wins the secret war gets one wish. Check please.
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Nov 26, 2014 22:09
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If I remember correctly, there was a mini series right after Seige where Tony, Steve, and Thor all had out their various grievances and made peace by the end of it. I think the hardest one to "redeem" all of this is Doctor Strange. But punting him into a more space/galactic angle could be interesting. He isn't just the Sorceror Supreme of Earth, but of that realm. Take him to space for a bit where morality is a bit more ambiguous. And really, of all the people who have been outraged at Tony, most of the Avengers admitted that they just peaced out and only a handful actively stayed to hunt him down. And of those that stayed, at least one is a mole.
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Nov 26, 2014 22:11
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I liked how everyone was pretty unfazed by Stephen's triage. "Welp okay, let's join forces".Senor Candle posted:That wouldn't have necessarily been Hickman's fault. More likely the letterer.
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Nov 26, 2014 22:15
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PelvicNerve posted:I liked how everyone was pretty unfazed by Stephen's triage. "Welp okay, let's join forces". Well the reveal that the Black Priests are actually a tool of an Illuminati is slightly more palatable than unstoppable magic-using hive mind with unfathomable goals. This isn't Steve's illuminati-hunting team, the multiversal avengers have one goal: find the root cause of the incursions and end them, and Strange's tools bring them one step closer to their goal.
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Nov 26, 2014 22:24
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The Avengers series is so goddamn awesome. So. God. Damned. Awesome. I can't even... Although I do wish at the climactic moment when all hope is lost and Rabum Alal taunts the fallen heroes a portal opens up and all the Spiders from the multiverse fall on top of him like Tribbles and defeat him. EDIT: My candidates for Rabum Alal now that there's indication that the Ivory Kings are fighting him implying there's an actual mastermind like intelligence at play vs some kind of beast like force of nature. 1. A version of Galactus in concept only on a universal scale. 2. A version of Beyonder 3. A version of Franklin Richards 4. A version of Apocalypse EDIT: I have to reread the issue. The Black Priests have been around but I guess Strange took charge of them or this is a different Steven Strange Gatts fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 22:36
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It's implied that this is the same one. Ours.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:27
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Any theories as to Doom's earth-shard that's suddenly vibrating in our frequency? And with Molecule Man blathering on about maps and mapmakers, looks like team Doom is going to be hurtling towards the same destination as whoever wins the coin-toss for the Ivory Kings.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:38
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Gatts posted:The Avengers series is so goddamn awesome. So. God. Damned. Awesome. I can't even... Same with the Builders and the various Kings. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some mode of time travel involved since they were all brought up near the beginning of New Avengers and Infinity. We all guessed who the Black Priests would relate to, just makes me wonder the other relations to the invading forces have been. Each member being the main representative of a Builder, Mapmaker, Ebony King, Ivory King, Black Swan, Black Priest etc.... Also Battleworld vs Countdown Aren I MEAN CONVERGENCE can't wait.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:40
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hope and vaseline posted:Well the reveal that the Black Priests are actually a tool of an Illuminati is slightly more palatable than unstoppable magic-using hive mind with unfathomable goals. This isn't Steve's illuminati-hunting team, the multiversal avengers have one goal: find the root cause of the incursions and end them, and Strange's tools bring them one step closer to their goal. Right. I wasn't being sarcastic, I'm honestly glad we're not retreading the old moral arguments. In universe, it does make sense that after months of exposure to incursions and seeing the Avengers break up, they'd be past that. As an aside, I finally read a few Invaders issues I was late on and Robinson doesn't Remender his way out of explaining how Cap and Namor can still work together. Robinson obviously doesn't make it all disappear but the two begrudgingly reach a reasonable, short term agreement.
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