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Ankle-biter posted:So, how many white killing black deaths have there been during these riot/protests? If the police are evil and anti-black there should be at lease a few dozen deaths each night I would think. Pointing out the logic/illogic isn't going to change anyone's mind. Earlier someone intimated that Mike Brown's father's church was burned by the KKK. Because racism  , and not because lots of buildings in Ferguson were being set afire from the protesters.
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spacetoaster posted:Pointing out the logic/illogic isn't going to change anyone's mind. Earlier someone intimated that Mike Brown's father's church was burned by the KKK. Because racism You're both idiots, hth.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:40
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FUN QUESTION TIME: Hospital photos show bruising on Wilson's RIGHT cheek. Wilson claims Brown was hitting him with his RIGHT fist. Can you diagram how Wilson must have been sitting in his car to receive those injuries?
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Nov 26, 2014 21:40
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Kalman posted:I'm too lazy to go find the exact spot in the transcripts, but wasn't that after Brown had supposedly slammed the door shut on Wilson? "A, I could?ve said 3000 which is right here, so I?m right at the intersection. Um, I back up ten feet, I go to open my door, say ?Hey, come here.? He said, ?What the gently caress are you gonna do?? And, he shut my door on me. A, the door was only open maybe a foot. I didn?t have chance to get my leg out. I shut the door and he came up and approached the door. I opened the door again trying to push him back tell him to get back. Um, he said something. I?m not sure exactly what it was and then started swinging and punching at me from outside the vehicle." Wilson does claim Brown shut his door, but he seems to specifically not choose any terms like "slam" to describe it. I'd be interested to hear the details from Brown's friend about the moments leading up to that.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:40
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Cuntpunch posted:The Johnson and Wilson testimonies largely line up in a way that you can read that Wilson parked so loving close to Brown that he couldn't open his door and misread "OH poo poo MY DOOR BOUNCED OFF THIS GUY" as "THIS GUY JUST SLAMMED MY DOOR ON ME" What kind of douchebag cop would do that, anyway? Wilson clearly fancied himself a badass.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:41
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420DD Butts posted:Wait, when did we just start accepting things that Wilson claimed as the complete truth? What would he gain from lying? 
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Nov 26, 2014 21:41
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Cuntpunch posted:FUN QUESTION TIME: The only way I can figure it is if Brown was doing something like a bicep curl hit.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:42
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420DD Butts posted:You're both idiots, hth. Good point. You sir, are a master debater.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:43
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Cuntpunch posted:FUN QUESTION TIME: I still have a hard time believing those pictures were displaying a bruise. They looked more like a bad case of razor burn, or Wilson fell asleep on his desk to me.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:43
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Cuntpunch posted:FUN QUESTION TIME: His body would be turned right and his face would be looking left. Might happen if you were reaching for a sidearm and trying to keep an eye on the attacker.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:43
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theflyingorc posted:"A, I could?ve said 3000 which is right here, so I?m right at the intersection. Um, Easy enough, Grand Jury Volume 4: 5 A As we're walking down the street, now I 6 see the police cruiser approaching us, coming up 7 west going back towards West Florissant. The police 8 cruiser is approaching us, right before the police 9 cruiser approached us, two cars had passed us 10 already. Nobody said anything like we are in the ll street or nothing like that. 12 When he got right directly on the 13 side of us, the police officer Darren Wilson, when 14 he got on the side of us he rolled his window down 15 and he said, get on the sidewalk, but it wasn't in a 16 polite manner, it was very rudely. 17 You can say whatever he said. 18 A He said get the on the sidewalk. 19 That's the get the 20 A Get the gently caress on the sidewalk. ... 14 A We continued to walk and have our 15 conversation, but almost a split second we heard the 16 tires screech, and the officer, he pulled back in 17 the truck very fast to the point at an angle if we 18 didn't hear his tires screech, the back of his 19 cruiser would have struck one of us, not both of us, 20 it would have struck both of us or one of us because 21 of the way he angled in reverse. 22 He never drove and turned around, he 23 reversed real fast. Why he reversed so fast on us 24 and the angle that he did in the manner, now we are 25 almost not inches away from his front door, like we was right in his face now. He never got out of the car, he just pulled right back on the side of us, but it is almost at an angle.
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Cuntpunch posted:FUN QUESTION TIME: Sit in the driver's seat, turn to face the window. Both sides of your face are exposed. Right cross, probably a miss.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:43
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spacetoaster posted:Good point. You sir, are a master debater. If the KKK were so racist, why wouldn't they just kill black people indiscriminately? It just doesn't add up - a moron.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:44
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Cuntpunch posted:FUN QUESTION TIME: Wilson's head is turned towards the window; Brown reaches in to Wilson's right and smacks him across the right cheek with the bottom of his fist. Or, Brown makes an uncoordinated punch at Wilson; Wilson flinches and turns his head to the left to avoid the punch, and the punch grazes his right cheek. In either case, I fail to see how the punches could have been so forceful that he was in fear of his life. It's not like he caught a haymaker to his face or anything.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:45
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theflyingorc posted:"A, I could?ve said 3000 which is right here, so I?m right at the intersection. Um, Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Sounds like Wilson isn't describing anyone hitting anyone with a door, just trying to keep it closed or to open it. I do need to read Johnson's testimony still, I'm curious what he said about that sequence of events.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:45
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Raerlynn posted:Sit in the driver's seat, turn to face the window. Both sides of your face are exposed. Right cross, probably a miss. You're suggesting that Brown was able to stick his right arm across his body into the left side of the window and then laterally swing it with high force into Wilson's right cheek? It wouldn't even be a punch at that rate, let alone a surprise.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:46
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Ankle-biter posted:His body would be turned right and his face would be looking left. Might happen if you were reaching for a sidearm and trying to keep an eye on the attacker. Not sure if this is a sincerely held belief or another troll post. Raerlynn posted:Sit in the driver's seat, turn to face the window. Both sides of your face are exposed. Right cross, probably a miss. A right cross would cause him to hit his right cheek?
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420DD Butts posted:If the KKK were so racist, why wouldn't they just kill black people indiscriminately? It just doesn't add up - a moron. It was argued in this thread that the kkk drive around to offer African American kids a ride to kill them or something and this is a common thing in some parts of the country.
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420DD Butts posted:If the KKK were so racist, why wouldn't they just kill black people indiscriminately? It just doesn't add up - a moron. Dude, it's a freaking riot/protest. In the dark, lots of officers to lie for you (since they are corrupt and do that, right?) It's a great opportunity, not random indiscriminately.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:47
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Cuntpunch posted:FUN QUESTION TIME: Magic Negro?
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Nov 26, 2014 21:47
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CommieGIR posted:If there was only a device issued to police members that would allow him to non-lethally take down a culprit not bearing a weapon so they could stand trial See, that's a legit point right there. He really said this. theflyingorc posted:
And I like how you omitted the part where Wilson says Brown was holding the door shut and then assaulting him (which is why Wilson was pushing the door in the first place). Seriously, it's right there in the interview that I linked earlier: he says Brown is holding the door shut with his body, so he tries to use the door to literally push him back. And this door thing is so irrelevant it's ridiculous.
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tsa posted:It was argued in this thread that the kkk drive around to offer African American kids a ride to kill them or something and this is a common thing in some parts of the country. That was one poster being paranoid, though. Ankle-biter posted:Dude, it's a freaking riot/protest. In the dark, lots of officers to lie for you (since they are corrupt and do that, right?) It's a great opportunity, not random indiscriminately. People can be racist and not entirely stupid. If they just started killing folks do you know how fast that police department would be torn apart by the DoJ?
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Nov 26, 2014 21:48
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Alkydere posted:I still have a hard time believing those pictures were displaying a bruise. They looked more like a bad case of razor burn, or Wilson fell asleep on his desk to me. Bruises can take like a day to show up. Would have taken pictures the next day but the batteries in the camera died.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:48
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Impatient Skype JO posted:See, that's a legit point right there. He really said this. No it's the *specific cause* Wilson uses to cite why the situation escalated. He blames it on Brown. Also would you care to explain how my reading of events was wrong? You took a lot of offense earlier but haven't responded to my response to you.
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Cuntpunch posted:FUN QUESTION TIME: Actually, reading the transcript, he very specifically says the blow to his right cheek was a punch from Brown's left hand. quote:D. Wilson: Um, as I was holdin’ it, and he came around he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his…a full swing with his left hand.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:50
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420DD Butts posted:If the KKK were so racist, why wouldn't they just kill black people indiscriminately? It just doesn't add up - a moron. I don't really know. Ask your son. Does anyone have any evidence about who burned down the church? It's just interesting that in a city that's on fire from protests people think they've got this one burned building all figured out in the exact way that furthers their personal beliefs about what's going on.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:50
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unlimited shrimp posted:Canada's getting pretty good at the whole "shoot first, ask questions later" thing. You have quite a ways to go before you can beat this, released just now. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cleveland-police-release-tamir-rice-video-shooting That was the 12 yr old boy under the gazebo. He's dead. I don't even know if the firing officer's car door had time to completely open.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:51
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Impatient Skype JO posted:See, that's a legit point right there. He really said this. Ooooh, I'm sorry, its not comfortable to carry a device that allows you to properly respond to a situation without lethal force needed. Probably shouldn't be a cop.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:51
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theflyingorc posted:Actually, reading the transcript, he very specifically says the blow to his right cheek was a punch from Brown's left hand. Was this while he was shuffling the cigars from hand to hand or after he stopped the pummeling to give them to his friend?
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Nov 26, 2014 21:51
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Von Sloneker posted:You have quite a ways to go before you can beat this, released just now. Uh, don't you know that racism doesn't exist?
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Really sounds like the prosecutor knew there was basically no chance of a guilty verdict from a trial and had no interest in going through a lengthy trial that would be put under a nation-wide microscope just to end up losing. WHat is the overall consensus of why he threw it, anyway?
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Nov 26, 2014 21:53
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Cuntpunch posted:You're suggesting that Brown was able to stick his right arm across his body into the left side of the window and then laterally swing it with high force into Wilson's right cheek? It wouldn't even be a punch at that rate, let alone a surprise. It was clearly a pimp slap by the demonic Hulkamaniac Brown. This tracks with him telling Wilson that he was too pussy to shoot later on. This was a justified shooting because Officer Wilson had a legitimate fear that he was gonna be turned into Brown's bottom bitch.
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420DD Butts posted:That was one poster being paranoid, though. Honestly, with Obama in charge, I don't know what's legal or not these days. Executive orders means nothing is safe.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:54
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Von Sloneker posted:You have quite a ways to go before you can beat this, released just now. Holy loving christ 
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Impatient Skype JO posted:And I like how you omitted the part where Wilson says Brown was holding the door shut and then assaulting him (which is why Wilson was pushing the door in the first place). Seriously, it's right there in the interview that I linked earlier: he says Brown is holding the door shut with his body, so he tries to use the door to literally push him back. And this door thing is so irrelevant it's ridiculous. fknlo posted:Was this while he was shuffling the cigars from hand to hand or after he stopped the pummeling to give them to his friend? I think the "here hold these" part is weird and probably didn't happen, either, but that's an entirely separate discussion.
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CommieGIR posted:Holy loving christ Getting shades of John Crawford there, where the cops turned the corner and gave him one second to respond before aerating him.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:55
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fknlo posted:Bruises can take like a day to show up. Would have taken pictures the next day but the batteries in the camera died. Yeah, I know. They were still incredibly underwhelming and hilarious pictures. Wilson should have come back a day or two later for the bruises to really come in. But, as the cops said, the batteries in the one camera in St. Louis had area died by that point.
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Von Sloneker posted:You have quite a ways to go before you can beat this, released just now. Wow that was loving stupid driving the car across the lawn like that. It does look like the guy loving panicked as he was getting out of the car though, you can see him fall down and scramble across the ground
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CommieGIR posted:Ooooh, I'm sorry, its not comfortable to carry a device that allows you to properly respond to a situation without lethal force needed. ...he had a nonlethal option. He also didn't have a teargas launcher or a beanbag cannon or a netgun. Police are not required to carry every single nonlethal option possible, please stop chasing this stupid rabbit about having a taser instead of focusing on the systemic issues that lead to Brown's death.
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420DD Butts posted:Getting shades of John Crawford there, where the cops turned the corner and gave him one second to respond before aerating him. They don't even TRY to pull up at a safe distance and confront him, just straight up pull a drive through style confrontation. theflyingorc posted:...he had a nonlethal option. He also didn't have a teargas launcher or a beanbag cannon or a netgun. Police are not required to carry every single nonlethal option possible, please stop chasing this stupid rabbit about having a taser instead of focusing on the systemic issues that lead to Brown's death. You need to study escalation of force. Police are not soldiers, and they are expect to take other responses to a situation other than 'Go to lethal force' But that's the thing isn't it? Proper use of force is PART of the systemic problems we are seeing. Different force escalation made against a black suspect versus a white is the issue. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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