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BreakAtmo
May 16, 2009

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, but - was that Weather Wizard's plane we saw go down in the distance during the flashback?

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Zythrst
May 31, 2011

Time to join a revolution son, its going to be yooge!


Another cool thing about this is that the author is a comics character.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

Aphrodite posted:

Wells is actually from even further in the future, and the holographic newspaper is how future tech displays past documents.

Duh.

Right! He has a hologram projector and science door.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

Deadpool posted:

In an interview one of the producers said that when Reverse Flash first shows up neither Barry nor the audience will know who he is. He'll be pulling the same tricks on us and Barry that Barry has pulled on Iris.

Well that explains something that bothered me a little bit about this episode.

Also high points:

- I was really worried about whether Eddie was going to die (I knew this was not rational at the time but I actually like him quite a lot)
- and I was REALLY worried they were going to kill off Iris

I loved this show from the first episode but every single episode has been better and better for me. I sit there saying WOW! NEAT! while watching it and I can't recall any previous TV show that got that kind of happy reaction out of me before. A few particular movies have but this show has managed it every week.

Cool Dad
Jun 15, 2007

It is always Friday night, motherfuckers

Zythrst posted:



Another cool thing about this is that the author is a comics character.

Who is it? I was a little surprised it wasn't credited to Iris, actually.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qak3VDGhsLA

Quick Flash vs. Arrow promo.

Sounds like something happens to the Flash and makes him an rear end in a top hat.

Synthwave Crusader
Feb 13, 2011

Greg Berlanti says Super Girl could be in the Arrowverse

Only slightly surprising since CBS is co-owner of the CW alongside WB. The complete trio a possibility?

dordreff
Jul 16, 2013

VBane posted:

Wild theory.

What if the Wells is a another red herring name and he's not a time traveler but a genius who got his hands on a time traveler's supercomputer, Gideon, became obsessed with The Flash and set out to make sure The Flash comes to be.

Unlikely, but a random idea that popped into my head tonight.

That's comic character Dr. T. O. Morrow, except he built the future-searching computer himself using Science. But unfortunately Wells isn't him, he's Hunter Zolomon AKA Zoom AKA the yellow fast guy who sucks, which is kind of boring.

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude

Scyantific posted:

Greg Berlanti says Super Girl could be in the Arrowverse

Only slightly surprising since CBS is co-owner of the CW alongside WB. The complete trio a possibility?

What I've been thinking is, if they can do Supergirl, they can do Green Lantern. The CGI for the constructs would actually be pretty simply, as they actually can look fake and artificial, since, well, they are.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Scyantific posted:

Greg Berlanti says Super Girl could be in the Arrowverse

Only slightly surprising since CBS is co-owner of the CW alongside WB. The complete trio a possibility?

You know what? Having a B-Team Universe on TV and an A-Team universe in the movies doesn't seem like a such a bad idea anymore if you have the right people behind it.

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man

Scyantific posted:

Greg Berlanti says Super Girl could be in the Arrowverse

Only slightly surprising since CBS is co-owner of the CW alongside WB. The complete trio a possibility?

I would prefer if they didn't do this, not just because linking these two shows to a something that could very likely be canceled after one season would be lame, but also because I don't think Arrow can survive both superhumans and aliens being introduced so quickly after one another.

I also don't really get what the deal with Supergirl is and why there are two different cousins of Superman.

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

Proposition Joe posted:

I would prefer if they didn't do this, not just because linking these two shows to a something that could very likely be canceled after one season would be lame, but also because I don't think Arrow can survive both superhumans and aliens being introduced so quickly after one another.

I also don't really get what the deal with Supergirl is and why there are two different cousins of Superman.

It gets a whole lot simpler if they just completely axe superman to begin with. gently caress Clark, he's had his day in the sun, let's give Kara a shot.

(I'm not really a superman hater or anything, but he's had plenty of movies and TV shows and he's about to have more, there's no reason to even include him as a relative of Kara's. Just replace him wholesale)

bbf2
Nov 22, 2007

"The White Shadow"

dordreff posted:

That's comic character Dr. T. O. Morrow, except he built the future-searching computer himself using Science. But unfortunately Wells isn't him, he's Hunter Zolomon AKA Zoom AKA the yellow fast guy who sucks, which is kind of boring.

I always thought that Zolomon's creepy way of talking (randomly speeding up and slowing down because he's displaced in time) was really interesting and would be fun to hear onscreen.

It's interesting that the character of Eddie in this show probably should have been named Hunter Zolomon (because he started out as a normal cop who was friends with The Flash) but Wells incorporates elements of that character as well because of the wheelchair thing, dead wife, time displacement elements, and the "I want to make Flash the best hero possible by any means necessary and that includes harming/killing his loved ones." And both characters obviously embody elements of the Eobard Thawne Zoom as well, Eddie in name and Wells in action and motivation. So both characters embody character elements from both versions of Reverse Flash and I think they've used that to really great effect to make viewers with comic knowledge unsure which one of them is the real Reverse Flash while also leaving open the possibility that it could be both or neither.

Technogeek
Sep 9, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

e X posted:

What I've been thinking is, if they can do Supergirl, they can do Green Lantern. The CGI for the constructs would actually be pretty simply, as they actually can look fake and artificial, since, well, they are.

I remain a fan of the recurring suggestion in the Arrow thread that Diggle's middle name should be revealed to be Stewart.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





I think I'm drifting towards "Wells injects Eddie, who then goes back in time to gently caress with Barry, leading to the death of Barry's mom." Either because Eddie and Iris break up because she's got the hots for the Flash, because Iris died and Eddie blames Barry, or because getting injected with the Speed Force drives him nuts. Probably Wells decides that Barry can't be relied upon to save the world and picks Eddie as his replacement, but Eddie freaks out and it blows up in everyone's faces.

It does beggar the question of why Zoom/Reverse Flash/Guy in the Yellow Suit/Whatever They End Up Calling Him is active now and trying to intimidate Joe, though. Has Fast Eddie just been hanging around for the last fourteen years? Or did he get boosted forward into the future fourteen years during his fight with Barry? I dunno.

Nameless Pete
May 8, 2007

Get a load of those...

Technogeek posted:

I remain a fan of the recurring suggestion in the Arrow thread that Diggle's middle name should be revealed to be Stewart.

"In brightest day, in blackest driver..."

Wezlar
May 13, 2005



Diggle is great but Kyle Rayner is the only Green Lantern I care about :colbert:

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

There have been a bunch of incredibly convoluted origin stories for Supergirl over the years - about the only one I really liked was how the Superman animated series handled her. The last remaining survivor of a planet that was near Krypton, and lost its atmosphere when Krypton exploded.

Seriously, Supergirl's arc (picked up and drastically expanded in the Justice League series) is top shelf character development.

Of course, being on CBS doesn't exactly scream "serialized comic adventures" to me. But even CBS wants a slice of the superhero pie.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Narcissus1916 posted:

There have been a bunch of incredibly convoluted origin stories for Supergirl over the years - about the only one I really liked was how the Superman animated series handled her. The last remaining survivor of a planet that was near Krypton, and lost its atmosphere when Krypton exploded.

Seriously, Supergirl's arc (picked up and drastically expanded in the Justice League series) is top shelf character development.

Of course, being on CBS doesn't exactly scream "serialized comic adventures" to me. But even CBS wants a slice of the superhero pie.

Supergirl will be a procedural where she and a wisecracking team of specialists solve murders in Kansas.

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

Narcissus1916 posted:

There have been a bunch of incredibly convoluted origin stories for Supergirl over the years - about the only one I really liked was how the Superman animated series handled her. The last remaining survivor of a planet that was near Krypton, and lost its atmosphere when Krypton exploded.

Seriously, Supergirl's arc (picked up and drastically expanded in the Justice League series) is top shelf character development.

Of course, being on CBS doesn't exactly scream "serialized comic adventures" to me. But even CBS wants a slice of the superhero pie.

I always thought the DCUA Supergirl was fun, but I haven't seen much of her JL/JLA appearances other than minor ones, any episode recommendations off the top of your head?

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

Aphrodite posted:

Have you seen what exactly it takes to do just a 2D hologram that looks like crap right now?
In a different city in this universe, in the same week, we saw a dude using a full body size 3d Iron Man style hologram with no issues. A newspaper ain't poo poo.

Narcissus1916 posted:

Seriously, Supergirl's arc (picked up and drastically expanded in the Justice League series) is top shelf character development.

Yessss just straight up copy poo poo from that series; that would rule.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

Narcissus1916 posted:

Of course, being on CBS doesn't exactly scream "serialized comic adventures" to me. But even CBS wants a slice of the superhero pie.

To be fair, CBS has Elementary and Person of Interest, which are two shows with some of the most natural and well-earned character development on TV, so I think the show has a chance as long as it's handled correctly and they have some interesting ideas for where to take it.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Whizbang posted:

Why would not being allowed to use Batman also not allow to use millionaire playboy Bruce Wayne? Are you implying some sort of ridiculous connection between the two?

So what you're saying is, Ben and Glory have a connection?

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

I think I like this costume a lot more.

The white in the chest symbol looks so good. I can't wait for them to update it.

Crunk Abortion
Mar 5, 2009

Young based lord and I look like JESUS
On the Supergirl front, is the name Kara Danvers a thing in recent comics, or is Berlanti just throwing rocks at Marvel by bringing it back?

I want to put faith in this show, but I'm not super keen on the character changes they're hinting at in the casting calls. Basically copping Superman's story being raised by the Not-Kents in Not-Smallville and having her move to Not-Metropolis to work at Not-The Daily Planet... And probably no mention of her cousin.

There's only so much of an established character you can jettison before you start loving with said character's appeal.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Crunk Abortion posted:

On the Supergirl front, is the name Kara Danvers a thing in recent comics, or is Berlanti just throwing rocks at Marvel by bringing it back?

I want to put faith in this show, but I'm not super keen on the character changes they're hinting at in the casting calls. Basically copping Superman's story being raised by the Not-Kents in Not-Smallville and having her move to Not-Metropolis to work at Not-The Daily Planet... And probably no mention of her cousin.

There's only so much of an established character you can jettison before you start loving with said character's appeal.

Linda Danvers is an old alias of Supergirl's and Kara is her real name.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

The voice of Gideon was Morena Baccarin :wtc:

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
Yeah, all that stuff about Supergirl living with yet another decent adoptive farming family in Kansas is straight from the old Silver Age comics. It's totally spergy to mock a lot of old female character's origins as being "A pre-established hero, but a woman instead" but that is literally how they originally did Supergirl.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Wells is Supergirl.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
If Supergirl doesn't fly in the firat 3 episodes, it'll be officially a disaster. Calling that now.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Rocksicles posted:

If Supergirl doesn't fly in the firat 3 episodes, it'll be officially a disaster. Calling that now.

Only slightly ironically. The bar has been set pretty high for TV superpowers these days. With Oliver putting arrows in people in the pilot while wearing a green costume and The Flash having his iconic outfit and powers in the pilot, they're not going to be getting my viewership if we don't have some good progression and acknowledgement of what they're working with.

Ojjeorago
Sep 21, 2008

I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...
Gary’s Answer
She's never going to fly and they'll CGI her into a costume one time 10 seasons from now because the actress refuses to actually wear it.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:

Scyantific posted:

Greg Berlanti says Super Girl could be in the Arrowverse

Only slightly surprising since CBS is co-owner of the CW alongside WB. The complete trio a possibility?

What happened to the talk about a possible Hourman show? It was supposed to be a take where the guy could see an hour into the future and it was going to be more of a superhero detective/procedural type show rather than grim heroics (Arrow) or heroic comedy (Flash) IIRC?

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Supergirl just ain't Supergirl without Peter O'Toole

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

The animated series basically gave Superman a 16 year old "cousin", and he quite reasonably panics. He talks to his parents in Smallville about it, and they offer to raise her. Its pretty great.

My worry isn't that Supergirl is a tough character to get right - I'm more concerned that Berlanti is spreading his team a little too thin.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Can't think of a single actress i'd like to see as Supergirl.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

jng2058 posted:

I think I'm drifting towards "Wells injects Eddie, who then goes back in time to gently caress with Barry, leading to the death of Barry's mom." Either because Eddie and Iris break up because she's got the hots for the Flash, because Iris died and Eddie blames Barry, or because getting injected with the Speed Force drives him nuts.

Christ I hope not, having Eddie go nuts because of some tragedy regarding Iris sounds incredibly melodramatic and not particularly fun to sit through - especially for a character that I actually quite like as just a good, normal cop. I have very low expectations of him staying this way, but if he has to go, I'd prefer he just died while still a nice guy than becoming a drama bomb personally since at least it's quick and doesn't taint what I like about the character. I really don't want to see a villain arise from the ashes of Barry's already somewhat overblown obsession with Iris, just so that he can move in on her instead of either having it happen naturally or just being dropped because he learns to get over it. I doubt that'll happen either though.

Wezlar posted:

Diggle is great but Kyle Rayner is the only Green Lantern I care about :colbert:

You don't want to see a Guy Gardner Green Lantern tv show?

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Supergirl will be a procedural where she and a wisecracking team of specialists solve murders in Kansas.

Like, I'd love to see a Green Lantern tv show with Guy Gardner that actually has them act like a group of cops/detectives as well as superheroes on a regular basis. A sci-fi police procedural to Arrow's noir vigilante show and Flash's comedy heroics show. Seeing Guy actually get to be a competent rear end in a top hat while solving crimes and reveling in his superpowers and giving the middle finger to the blue elves running things occasionally would be great.

Zythrst
May 31, 2011

Time to join a revolution son, its going to be yooge!

Gilok posted:

Who is it? I was a little surprised it wasn't credited to Iris, actually.

http://www.comicvine.com/evan-gibson/4005-75610/

This guy I think, I don't know anything about him though.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Rocksicles posted:

Can't think of a single actress i'd like to see as Supergirl.

They'll cast someone you've never heard of unless you watch teen soaps anyway.

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer
So I have just finished season 2 of Arrow. I now need to start watching Arrow S3 and The Flash S1. I know the shows don't depend on each other but would I get anything out of watching the 7 episodes of each season interlaced?

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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Valeyard posted:

So I have just finished season 2 of Arrow. I now need to start watching Arrow S3 and The Flash S1. I know the shows don't depend on each other but would I get anything out of watching the 7 episodes of each season interlaced?

There's one pair of episodes where Felicity goes to Central City, but the only thing you get out of that is that she's missing for most of the Arrow episode.

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