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Prester John posted:Yes, but in my experience not very many, and because of the nature of Conspiracy Theorists most of these eventually move on to joining UFO nuts. There are two broad but often bitterly divided groups of UFO nuts. The "nuts and bolts" camp that holds that UFO are physical 3 dimensional machines created by advanced intelligence's for interstellar travel. And the "spiritual devices" camp that holds that UFO's are often non-physical thought manifestations created by advanced intelligence's for the purpose of changing vibration frequencies so that they can interact with our low vibrating limited 3rd dimensional consciousness. This gives the appearance of interstellar travel but is actually quite different, I read a lot of John A Keel stuff (same guy who wrote The Mothman Prophecies) and I'm currently reading "Operation Trojan Horse". I think he was of the mind that UFOs are more of the latter in that they are are an extra-dimensional phenomenon. He has loads of fun anecdotes many of which are probably made up but he's always an entertaining read. One of his other books "The Eighth Tower" gets deeper into 'ultraterrestrials' and the 'superspectrum' but I think he went kind of insane while writing it. Still, fun stuff for an afternoon of reading if you're willing to suspend belief.  I actually believe most of what he writes.
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Prester John posted:As a former moon landing denier myself I'll field this one. The moon is a hollowed out planetoid brought artificially to Earth's orbit millenia ago and serves as a base of operations for the Reptilians in our solar system. We have never landed on the moon because the Reptilians/their slaves the "Gray's" warned us not too. The moon landing was faked as a way to cover up where all the money that went into the real space program was spent. Our actual space program has craft capable of traveling to the moon within 90 minutes and even has some craft capable of traveling to nearby solar systems, everything NASA does is just theater to keep us distracted. He also shot it so that they'd give him a special lens to shoot 2001 one with.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:There are, the most common rebuttal to that one is that the whole Apollo landing was automated. We couldn't send real dudes becaue the Van Allen belts would kill them. We actually sent a craft to the Moon with nobody on it. Don't ask about the visible signs of human activity on the Moon's surface. One of my buddies was a good friend with his otherwise sane (and really loving awesome*) boss who was otherwise a huge conspiracy nutjob. When he was moving away and quitting his job he got a bunch of friends, both from college (all of them some sort of engineering or computer science degree) and from work (including his boss) for a big going away party over some hot wings. It was all cool and fine until he intentionally triggered his boss's faked moon landing conspiracy buttons next to a bunch of engineering students and then sat back giggling like some kid who'd just released a skunk in the middle of church. The whole "Radiation is instantly lethal once you get past Earth's magnetic shielding" was pretty much the big centerpiece of his denial. (Along with some things about how he could still remember watching the announcements with PERFECT CLARITY as a kid all these years later, something something superhuman memory, and something seemed "off" about them. I can't remember if the pictures were too grainy, not grainy enough or something else.) Nothing we could do could shake him that humanity can achieve incredible heights when powered by a slide rule and several tons of rocket fuel, not even the argument that the Soviets had EVERY advantage to discrediting the US's achievements but there wasn't a peep from them. Oh, and he also believed that Football (Soccer, this is Texas so I do have to be clear on which one he meant) was a socialist plot to pacify and placate the masses. *Dude was legitimately an awesome boss as long as his conspiracy buttons weren't pushed, and he seemed able to actually keep his mouth shut about his conspiracy stuff 95% of the time. He, my buddy (and later me) worked for a company that did free samples and other promotions in WalMarts and Sam's Clubs (and other stores). He basically got thrown out of the WalMart division and shoved into the Sam's Club division because he kept rightfully giving managers poo poo when they damaged or stole our gear, or gave his workers poo poo/prevented them from doing jobs and generally actually cared about his workers. WalMart division had 1 manager for sevreal stores in an area (that could cover multiple states, it was a shitshow) while Sam's Club had one manager/store that could perch there and act as an on-site buffer between corporate poo poo and reality for his workers, not to mention keep people from stealing the promotional company's stuff. (Which did happen. I mean, I'm not going to bat an eye at a Walmart associate making off with a really fancy coffee machine we're no longer using, but FFS at least make sure we're at least done having events with it. Hell, 9/10 "Event Specialists" I knew and worked with would gladly pack the damned thing up for you and put a ribbon on it if it meant one less thing cluttering our area until someone inevitably drops and breaks it).
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computer parts posted:It was pretty funny when this showed up in Interstellar. spoiler that poo poo bro
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wheez the roux posted:do these people get their understanding of how the universe works from watching Fringe or something Have you seen "Dark Matters"? I think they used to air back to back on science channel. They did some great skits. The ones on Fritz Haber (chlorine gas) and Thomas Midgley (leaded gasoline) are great. Haber's wife kills herself because of his involvement in the German chemical warfare program. What a drama - his story would make a great movie. They are do Jose Delgado and Donald Ewen Cameron, who experiment with mind control for the US government. This is all definitely true: wikipedia posted:His "driving" experiments consisted of putting a subject into a drug-induced coma for weeks at a time (up to three months in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple statements. These experiments were typically carried out on patients who had entered the institute for minor problems such as anxiety disorders and postpartum depression; many suffered permanent debilitation after these treatments.[17] Such consequences included incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents.[18] His work was inspired and paralleled by the British psychiatrist William Sargant, who was also involved in the Intelligence Services and experimented extensively on his patients without their consent, causing similar long-term damage.
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I remember when I was a kid, watching Tom Baker's Doctor Who and he was having an argument with Davros, creator of the Daleks. He gave the Davros the following statement: "All elephants are pink. Nellie is an elephant. Therefore Nellie is pink." Davros agreed that this was perfectly logical, to which the Doctor responded, "No it's stupid. Everybody knows elephants aren't pink!"
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Gorilla Salad posted:I remember when I was a kid, watching Tom Baker's Doctor Who and he was having an argument with Davros, creator of the Daleks. He gave the Davros the following statement: That's pretty funny. The absolute most important point of logic is that people can reasonably reach different conclusions if they are given different premises or assign different truth values to their premises.
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Please tell us more about pink elephants flying into the World Trade Centre.
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AddMEonFacebook posted:That's pretty funny. The absolute most important point of logic is that people can reasonably reach different conclusions if they are given different premises or assign different truth values to their premises. Yeah but on the other hand you're a very boring troll
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Alkydere posted:The whole "Radiation is instantly lethal once you get past Earth's magnetic shielding" was pretty much the big centerpiece of his denial. Jared Loughner, the guy who shot Congresswoman Giffords a few years ago, was also really the idea that people couldn't possibly survive spaceflight. He was also really into weird "logic" statements. Here's some posts he made on Above Top Secret. quote:Was one of your favorite toys a plastic NASA Space Shuttle? And this one just creeps me out quote:Is it possible for an infinite source of currency? And some helpful images he made to explain what he meant.   fakeedit: Prester John, keep posting the deep crazy videos and keep posting in general.
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Republican Vampire posted:Yeah but on the other hand you're a very boring troll Don't join the hate-wagon, brother.
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Bulkiest Toaster posted:Let's get back to conspiracy talk guys. I have really been thinking about Operation Northwoods lately. As far as I can tell Operation Northwoods is a real historical example of the government conspiring to engage in a false flag terror operation and blame it on another country. Doesn't the reality of Operation Northwoods establish a degree of plausibility to the CT claims that there may have been a false flag angle to the 9/11 attacks? Read the actual document. At no point do they ever propose actually carrying out terrorist attacks, only simulating them. Fake deaths, fake plane crashes etc. e: well, beaten. The point is super important though because it shows they never proposed anything even close to what conspiracy theorists suggest and certainly nothing on the scale of 9/11 / boston bombing / sandy hook unless you think nobody died in those events
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And remember that this was in a time when the CIA was causing coups on the reg and supporting GLADIO and torturing mental patients with MK ULTRA, and selling heroin with Air America--all worse stuff than they could get away with now. Also, they all have in common the fact that they were thoroughly documented and exposed to public scrutiny.
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http://www.avclub.com/article/video-offers-irrefutable-proof-bill-hicks-alex-jon-212279 http://www.texasmonthly.com/daily-post/conspiracy-theory-alex-jones-actually-legendary-long-dead-texas-comedian-bill-hicks The AV Club and Texas Monthly are finally breaking the Alex Jones/Bill Hicks thing wide open! Included for context, Texas Monthly's expose on Jones from four years ago: http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/alex-jones-about-explode
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.avclub.com/article/video-offers-irrefutable-proof-bill-hicks-alex-jon-212279 It doesn't really expose him so much as interview him. If you've never heard of Alex Jones, read that article and you'll get the jist of what he's all about. Nice de-rail. Jack Gladney posted:
 quote:And remember that this was in a time when the CIA was causing coups on the reg and supporting GLADIO and torturing mental patients with MK ULTRA, and selling heroin with Air America--all worse stuff than they could get away with now. Why is it harder for them to get away with things today? They have the advantage of a police state now, not to mention more sophisticated propaganda techniques and such. There is so much choas and poverty right now that noone is really organizing for positive political change. AddMEonFacebook fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.avclub.com/article/video-offers-irrefutable-proof-bill-hicks-alex-jon-212279 It must be so hard on Jones to become a part of someone else's delusion like that after spending so long elaborating his own delusions. Do you think that Jones thinks that video is a CIA plot to discredit him?
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He is my mentor. I want to sell health products to morons and live on a big ranch in Texas talking about how free I am.
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So you want to be a televangelist?Jack Gladney posted:It must be so hard on Jones to become a part of someone else's delusion like that after spending so long elaborating his own delusions. Do you think that Jones thinks that video is a CIA plot to discredit him? Everything is a plot to discredit him. Even fellow protesters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq7Hbv6wdzo
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To be fair: I know a couple of people that actually did provecture against Alex Jones when he was at the DNC several years ago. But then again: it wasn't "a mass discredit operation" on him as much as to troll him. I mean, they were stupid college students at the time. EDIT: Went back for the videos on it and LOL it's the "Kill Michelle Malkin" incident. Didn't even realize the got good shots of a couple of them. Yeah, Michelle Malkin is a horrible so they were probably trolling her as well. I think that whole timing was great as that was during the start of actually waking up out of the CT-mindset I was in myself. Something I did think about look the thread before and I noticed that the "there are no coincidences". That really is a very interesting through process. Yes, some of it can be inherently caused by mental illness, but those that got self-deluded into it like I did that that thought process really did start creeping in and was even a somewhat conscious part of the path down that rabbit hole. One of the more enlightening things I've dealt with in my anxiety is understanding and accepting coincidence. Edit 2: clarification edits and for reference, here's one of many uploads of Jones' side of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrwEIFx_gEU Lightning Jim fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Soviet Commubot posted:And this one just creeps me out Ahhh ! Aaaaaaah ! It burns ! Oh wait, the infinite currency is Bitcoin. Soviet Commubot posted:Prester John, keep posting the deep crazy videos and keep posting in general. You're a posting hero on the scale of Toblerone Triangular. For the weird Christian education thread alone, hit me up if you ever need red text removed.
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RFID Chip Will Drag You To Hell! http://youtu.be/YM9Fk14GNIw "I want to talk to you about the AIDC technology, or as scientists call it, AIDC." Tapley has gotten good lately, he's consistently predicting the end of the world sooner and sooner lately
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mllaneza posted:You're a posting hero on the scale of Toblerone Triangular. For the weird Christian education thread alone, hit me up if you ever need red text removed.
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Just a quick question for the 9/11 truthers out there. Wouldn't it be far safer for the US Governement to let two planes smash into skyscrapers no-one expected would burn down, rather than shooting down several tons of metal full of jet fuel over the world's 25th most populous city full of schools and hospitals? Or is that just what they want us to think?
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Bow-street Bastard posted:Or is that just what they want us to think? This is pretty much always the answer.
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Bow-street Bastard posted:Just a quick question for the 9/11 truthers out there. 9-11 was a masonic ceremony where the twin pillars of Jachim and Boaz were symbolically destroyed in order to help usher in the New World Order. This was a literal black magick spell carried out by the worlds most powerful geomancers using Masonic knowledge. That is why the towers were built in the first place, they were never expected to be profitable, they were always to be used for this specific ceremony. In some respects the ceremony was more important than the psyop itself, which is why certain timings (like the destruction of tower 7) had to be precise even when it jeopardized the cover story. 9-11 is a highly important number in the masonic calender, which is why things like the Pentagon ground breaking ceremony also occurred on 9-11. fade5 posted:Same, that thread was one of the most informative and depressing things I've ever read. I'm completely serious when I say that what you went though qualifies as "hell on earth", and I am so glad you got out of it. Thank you, I'm almost embarrassed with how I am received on these boards sometimes. Thank you all so much. To contribute, here is Alex Colliers (in)famous 1994 interview. This interview is probably the single most important contributor to how widespread the whole "Reptilian Aliens" thing eventually became in UFO and conspiracy circles. Although the idea was not new when this interview occurred, much of the reptilian material that has come since has cribbed heavily from it. This is likely becasue this version of the Reptilian conspiracy is so elaborate and fantastical that little else has ever been anywhere near as well fleshed out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SouPQnxLtM To give a rough outline, Alex Collier is a former Tax Attorney who was disbarred after he tried the freeman on the land approach to paying taxes. (Which is to say he argued that there was authority to tax citizens for their wages and the person they were trying to sue was a legal fiction anyways because of ALL CAPS) Shortly thereafter he began to be contacted by an alien race he calls the Andromedans. They revealed to him that his soul was originally Andromedan but he was part of an expedition traveling through time to locate the point in the past in which tyranny had entered this galaxy. The search identified the planet Earth in this time period as the entry point for the tyranny. (The Andromedans are 4th dimensional aliens able to travel through time at will.) Alex's craft crashed on our planet killing him, which has resulted in his soul becoming trapped in Earth's reincarnation cycle. (Each race has its own separate reincarnation cycle, but crossovers do occur in certain rare circumstances.) Ever since this revelation Alex has been a spokesperson for the Andromedans, and his message is fantastic. Fantastic in the sense of this would make a pretty loving awesome sci-fi saga. There is just so much crazy you can feast for days. All human races originate in the Lyra system, and the original humans left that system to escape a war. Since then human races have spread throughout the galaxy and evolved into different types, which is where the different skinned humans come from. The black race and the white race and Arabs and all other races are actually literally different races. You see the reptilians themselves are a race kicked out of an entire different universe/dimension because they were too problematic deal with and too strong to actually kill. The Reptilians rounded up a shitload of different human races from the area and took over this old colony planet that we call earth. (The spaceship they used is orbiting us as our moon, still monitoring us) The reptilians have ever since then been building their power base here, and the rest of the Galaxy isn't sure what to do. Direct war may not be successful (although some races are trying that), entering into our reincarnation cycle to lead us out of this as fellow humans risks both races being tied together in a karma cycle, (although some races are trying this), and simply appearing before us and telling the truth is something our primitive culture cannot possibly handle yet. And I am just scratcing the surface. He has elaborate descriptions of everything from geopolitics to Andromedan culture and laws. Enjoy  Edit: For those interested I've started putting bits of my autobio up in Creative Convention. I would appreciate some feedback, I'll be trying to add 1-2 pieces to this per week for now. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Nov 28, 2014 |
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Man now I just want to talk about how dumb freemen in the land are. Can someone link that thing where the guy explains how we're all only bound by maritime law because you enter the world via the "berth" canal and thus we are all legally boats?
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I like the one that goes something like "any courtroom with a gold-fringed flag is by law an Admiralty Court and has no jurisdiction over civilians, and if you attempt to try someone for a crime in an invalid court you can't do it over in a proper court because that would be Double Jeopardy".
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Literally The Worst posted:Man now I just want to talk about how dumb freemen in the land are. Can someone link that thing where the guy explains how we're all only bound by maritime law because you enter the world via the "berth" canal and thus we are all legally boats? Well, they're basically all derived from one of three things: 1) independently developed crazy people thoughts 2) deliberate scam schemes where a guy comes up with things he thinks will be plausible enough to sell through paid seminars and books 3) people combining the two on purpose
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Miss-Bomarc posted:I like the one that goes something like "any courtroom with a gold-fringed flag is by law an Admiralty Court and has no jurisdiction over civilians, and if you attempt to try someone for a crime in an invalid court you can't do it over in a proper court because that would be Double Jeopardy". One of my grandparents friends told us about that poo poo ages ago, back before the Internet was really a thing and I could watch freemen being stupid on YouTube, and even back then my ultra conservative family thought he was a crazy rear end in a top hat. That's how crazy they are. Also you can't notarize an official document with a square stamp because that means whatever it is is dead and invalid.
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Although it is true that, for a while, nothing written on an Air Force document in blue ink was considered a valid statement. So there's some vague sense of truth to the idea. As I understand it, the first copiers that the USAF used were designed to not pick up blue ink when they scanned a document. This allowed someone to mark up a document using blue ink, but still reproduce the "original" document by copying what they had. This made a lot of sense back when documents were produced by manual typewriters, and changing text around or even creating a new copy was more difficult than just hitting "print".
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I really wish there was an out-and-out, Colbert-level proponent of new world order/global government.
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Arrowsmith posted:I really wish there was an out-and-out, Colbert-level proponent of new world order/global government. The American pundit class does a pretty good job.
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Alkydere posted:Oh, and he also believed that Football (Soccer, this is Texas so I do have to be clear on which one he meant) was a socialist plot to pacify and placate the masses. Living in blighty, I dread going out the front door when a big match is on because there's one thing I can say about football: it almost certainly doesn't promote pacifism and being placated. You'll not find a bigger load of violent thugs than a bunch of football fans after a few drinks. Sir Tonk posted:RFID Chip Will Drag You To Hell! This reminds me of the Family International who also believed the Mark would be some sort of RFID type chip that people would voluntarily have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknW2mzXMMY They made quite catchy music! Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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I have a Roku so I see some ads on the side sometimes for other channels. Recently I see GAIAM TV. The same people who do a lot of exercise equipment. Okay, probably some neat stuff here... "Sirius" (about aliens), "Georgia Guidestones’ Crypto-cube Deciphered"  quote:Kozyrev’s Mirrors and Biocommunication 
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zakharov posted:Top conspiracy theorists attracted by this thread: Oh you think there's a moon?
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Ron Jeremy posted:Oh you think there's a moon? He probably believes that the earth is solid 
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SedanChair posted:He probably believes that the earth is solid And round
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BBJoey posted:Are there no moon landing deniers who draw the line there and don't go in for the deeper illuminati/reptilian stuff? As a former Illuminati/reptilian believer, I can reassure you that if I wasn't talking about fake moon landings, Illuminati Jews, Knights Templars, and reptilians, I was smoking meth. 100% serious. The only time I ever believed any of that conspiracy stuff, was when I was high on meth. I'm 100% clean now, have been for several years, but I go back every once and while and laugh at what I actually believed in. I'm pretty sure that most people who seriously post on conspiracy forums, are actually meth addicts. I have seen numerous posts defending the usage of meth on several of those sites, sometimes to a insane amount. Example being, a post about Michael Hastings, that reporter the CIA killed for whatever reason. Someone chimed in with "He had meth in his blood at the time of his death," which was followed by several dozens of posts claiming, "Nothing wrong with that, some people need it to get work done." AllPraiseToAllah fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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SedanChair posted:He probably believes that the earth is solid You think there's an Earth?
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