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Foma posted:Pushing systemic racism as the cause of all ills is the best way to fix nothing Oh right you're the one who said that the people of Ferguson should vote out the prosecutor who was elected to protect white people by the 70% white St Louis County population instead of protesting. You're kind of dumb, sorry I bothered.
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Foma posted:Pushing systemic racism as the cause of all ills is the best way to fix nothing You are ridiculous. Your arguments literally keep boiling down to "well, the system might have some problems, but until that system is fixed in the way and by the manner I have deemed acceptable let's just keep working within that system and hope it doesn't get infinitely worse in the interim".
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Nov 29, 2014 20:59
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Foma posted:Pushing systemic racism as the cause of all ills is the best way to fix nothing Systemic racism is the cause of the ills we're discussing, and you're the one trying to move the conversation away from those. We can disarm the cops and force all the oversight we want on them. It won't solve a system that doesn't see any problem with the way it treats black people in the first place.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:01
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Foma posted:Pushing systemic racism as the cause of all ills is the best way to fix nothing It's a big factor in a lot of problems, you can't really get around that. Maybe we just need to figure out better ways to couch accusations of racism in nicer language so that people don't immediately become so defensive that they're incapable of dialog? If you can't even use the word "racism", it's kind of hard to get anything done. Maybe we just need a Luntzian encoding that makes racists feel better about themselves as a starting point.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:02
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speng31b posted:It's a big factor in a lot of problems, you can't really get around that. Maybe we just need to figure out better ways to couch accusations of racism in nicer language so that people don't immediately become so defensive that they're incapable of dialog? If you can't even use the word "racism", it's kind of hard to get anything done. Maybe we just need a Luntzian encoding that makes racists feel better about themselves as a starting point. Start calling them race realists 
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Nov 29, 2014 21:04
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Dingleberry Jones posted:This thread has taught me that people love to use the word "systemic" as much as they possibly can Ha ha, you learned something from the Ferguson thread.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:10
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Pomp posted:Systemic racism is the cause of the ills we're discussing, and you're the one trying to move the conversation away from those.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:22
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Cingulate posted:Is it not that both - racism, and the US police - are major problems that are both important in this context? That's what Pomp is saying. Fire and disarm all working cops right now and the new crop that takes their place is going to be the exact same because that's what happens with our police system right now.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:36
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RareAcumen posted:That's what Pomp is saying. Fire and disarm all working cops right now and the new crop that takes their place is going to be the exact same because that's what happens with our police system right now. They should come up with a term to describe a problem that isn't necessarily with individual components, more that the larger pattern of relationships is the issue.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:48
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Nancy Grace. Edit: removed misread quote. Nancy Grace's comments are worth a listen if you haven't though. Perry Mason Jar fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 21:56
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GAPO posted:
Biggie and Tupac were killed in two separate instances by two separate suspects, both of whom were never caught by police. This is a poo poo analogy that has nothing to do with the topic and I respectfully* ask that you stop making yourself sound stupid by repeating it over and over. *not really
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Nov 29, 2014 22:11
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You can get  miles deep about Biggie and Tupac being targets of the FBI/CIA as well as LAPD and Suge Knight.
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Nov 29, 2014 22:16
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Fat lot of good it did Suge Knight.
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Nov 29, 2014 22:20
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Violet_Sky posted:Wilson should have gone to trial. We would still be able to hear both sides of the story. Perhaps the pesky details of the case were vastly different?
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Nov 29, 2014 22:33
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace was a prosecutor for a decade so this is actually worth listening to.
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Nov 29, 2014 22:45
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GAPO posted:Liberals constantly try to erase, brush off or ignore the killings of black people by other black people (which is far more common than black people.being killed by cops), but please don't be rude to them.* Lots of people care about blacks killing other blacks, dipshit.
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Nov 29, 2014 22:53
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Nancy Grace is an abomination, and being accidentally right just because being right in this case happens to be the position that allows her to feign outrage doesn't make her suddenly worth wasting time on.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:23
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It's funny how she says "The Hulk Hogan" and "What, his arm is like Hulk Hogan?"
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Nov 29, 2014 23:26
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beatlegs posted:Lots of people care about blacks killing other blacks, dipshit. Yeah that's why there are so many threads about it
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Nov 29, 2014 23:26
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GAPO posted:Yeah that's why there are so many threads about it Definitely the best estimator of public sentiment.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:31
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GAPO posted:Yeah that's why there are so many threads about it The realities of life for blacks in America is a repetitive theme for discussion in a lot of threads. It has been discussed over and over by many people. Causes and possible actions have been discussed in depth. If you're surprised that people who aren't racist idiots don't come to the conclusion that 'well why don't them niggers just stop shooting each other', congrats you're retarded.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:33
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GAPO posted:Yeah that's why there are so many threads about it Black people go to trial, and usually jail, when they kill someone. Cops don't go to trial. That's why the latter bears so much more discussion.
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Ditocoaf posted:Black people go to trial, and usually jail, when they kill someone. Cops don't go to trial. That's why the latter bears so much more discussion. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/texas-no-knock-swat-raid White people also get away with self-defense verdicts when killing cops busting in their front door, but the black guy who shoots cops coming in his window? Seek the death penalty. e: http://gawker.com/my-vassar-college-faculty-id-makes-everything-ok-1664133077 
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Nov 29, 2014 23:53
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GAPO posted:Yeah that's why there are so many threads about it Nobody is stopping you from making one.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:56
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Someone earlier asked why Wilson didn't just roll up his window. The answer is
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Nov 30, 2014 00:15
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Nancy Grace. I haven't clicked that and will not, but I am certain they aren't.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:18
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IrvingWashington posted:Someone earlier asked why Wilson didn't just roll up his window. The answer is He didn't want to shoot through his car window duh.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:18
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GAPO posted:He didn't want to shoot through his car window duh. Not sure what your point is, but yeah, I don't think you would find anyone arguing that was the plan
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Nov 30, 2014 00:26
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IrvingWashington posted:Someone earlier asked why Wilson didn't just roll up his window. The answer is It is probably difficult to roll up a window while being assaulted
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argondamn posted:It is probably difficult to roll up a window while assaulting a minority and brandishing your weapon
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Nov 30, 2014 00:37
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argondamn posted:It is probably difficult to roll up a window while being assaulted That's it; pack it in. There's nothing Wilson could have done from the driver's seat while Brown was assaulting him in such a way that didn't actually leave any damage. He absolutely had to shoot Brown inside the car, get out, and empty his clip into Brown until he died.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:39
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Armchair it all you want.
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argondamn posted:Armchair it all you want. How about while Brown is handing off the cigars?
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argondamn posted:Armchair it all you want. irony is the song of a bird that has come to love its cage
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Nov 30, 2014 00:48
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Dum Cumpster posted:How about while Brown is handing off the cigars? You know, out of everything, that is the weirdest detail to be corroborated in the two main witness accounts. The truth is kind of weird sometimes.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:51
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argondamn posted:It is probably difficult to roll up a window while being assaulted Hey, how come Wilson's face didn't look like he was seriously assaulted? No one who accepts his story ever seems to respond when I ask that.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:55
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Dum Cumpster posted:Hey, how come Wilson's face didn't look like he was seriously assaulted? No one who accepts his story ever seems to respond when I ask that. Because the ultimate tier skill of the Blackfist is to impart traumatic brain injury from a scuffmark.
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Dum Cumpster posted:Hey, how come Wilson's face didn't look like he was seriously assaulted? No one who accepts his story ever seems to respond when I ask that. The answer you'd probably get is some variation of the "the next punch could have been fatal" argument that was getting a lot of work during the Zimmerman trial. Which is, on one hand, is not something I can really think of a solid rebuttal to. But on the other hand this is because it reduces the situation to arguing about an uncollapsed waveform and when you really think about it, what if the next punch had vibrated the quantum strings in such a way that Darren Wilson was obliterated by a sudden inrush of extremely localized gravity?
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:You know, out of everything, that is the weirdest detail to be corroborated in the two main witness accounts. The truth is kind of weird sometimes. I mean, "hey grab these" to free up a hand makes sense - whether it was to have another hand free to try to pull himself loose from Wilson or another hand to attack with, it makes sense either way. It's not like it would need to be more than a half second worth of time.
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If we allow the Hypothetically Lethal Next Punch to define what is and isn't acceptable use of lethal force, suddenly every confrontation becomes a life-threatening one. This is pretty bad.
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