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Nov 29, 2014 20:30
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You are a: Communist Authoritarian Interventionist Liberal (It is spot on though)
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Nov 29, 2014 20:30
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My Imaginary GF posted:I'd say that I don't care about how things have always been done, I know how to do them better and either you do them better or you suffer the consequences. You don't turn to folks like me for help until you've already hosed yourself over and have no other options. Just wanted to remind you that your schtick is dumb, not believable, and nobody likes you. An odd effect of Eastern European gender-imbalanced death rates: Far more surviving women than men by age 30. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11493157 Forgall posted:Why is everyone taking this stupid loving test? Same reason people read horoscopes.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:31
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I am a "Communist Pro-Government Non-Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Libertine" but I think most people in D&D would say that about me without a quiz. Eh it is like any other one of those quizzes, does seem to be a lot of easy answer if your not a right-leaning economic liberal. Insane MGF quote posted:Either it works and your nation is on the pathway to development and participation within the American system, or it doesn't and your nation is no longer a global threat to stability and peace. Yeah, why wouldn't the Russians want to roll those dice... Ardennes fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 20:32
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Since we're all posting scores now You are a: Centrist Pro-Government World-Federalist Cosmopolitan Progressive Collectivism score: 0% Authoritarianism score: 33% Internationalism score: 100% Tribalism score: -33% Liberalism score: 67% Yup
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Nov 29, 2014 20:34
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Forgall posted:Why is everyone taking this stupid loving test? What test? I think they're just inventing things.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:39
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Forgall posted:Why is everyone taking this stupid loving test? Because we like taking stupid loving tests. You are a: Communist Humanist Libertine Collectivism score: 100% Authoritarianism score: 0% Internationalism score: 0% Tribalism score: -67% Liberalism score: 100% Libertine?
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Nov 29, 2014 20:40
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Forgall posted:Why is everyone taking this stupid loving test? Obdicut posted:Same reason people read horoscopes.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:41
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Why would anyone sign an online petition to stop Obamacare complete with a webcam that saves images of your signature, other than to sign "WeedLord BonerHitler?" My fortune cookie today said, "Life to you is a dashing and bold adventure." And I immediately knew I had to take a stupid loving online test. VVVVVVV HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 20:43
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My horoscope told me that today I'll take a stupid loving test. There's nothing I could do about it, really.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:43
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, why wouldn't the Russians want to roll those dice... The way I see it, Russians have three choices: 1. Restructure and work within the American system, with self-representation and development 2. Sell out to the Chinese and have fun with that 3. Starve, or deal with jihadis Do you know of any other options? I certainly can't think of other immediate outcomes from this adventurism and saber-rattling. There are no good choices for Russians, only bad choices and even worse choices.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:45
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You are a: Socialist Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Liberal Collectivism score: 67% Authoritarianism score: 0% Internationalism score: 33% Tribalism score: -83% Liberalism score: 33% Clearly my test scores on www dot abtirsi dot com show my moral and intellectual superiority.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:The way I see it, Russians have three choices: Ghengis Khan rises from the grave and recreates his empire.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:49
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Ghengis Khan rises from the grave and recreates his empire. If Crimea belongs to Russia then Russia belongs to Ghengis Khan.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:52
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My Imaginary GF posted:The way I see it, Russians have three choices: Well number 1 and number 3 the same thing, and I guess 2 is the most likely result.
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Nov 29, 2014 20:53
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Congrats on being tricked into doing that guy's poll, guys.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:04
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Ardennes posted:Well number 1 and number 3 the same thing, and I guess 2 is the most likely result. 1 and 3 are completely different. 3 is a shakedown of the easiest populations to shake down while cutting their employment and services, to the point where they become militant; it's the Assad scenario. 1 is the only viable opportunity for Russia's continued global influence during an extended period with single-digit profit margins on energy exports. 1 forces the Russians to diversify their economy while eliminating the tax exemptions and systemic corruption which has accrued over the years. Any influx of currency or revenue will only amplify Russia's existing structures of patronage, while leaving everyone else out; 2 and 3 lead to the same place, with a Russia that is the greatest source of global instability. Taking money from the Chinese raises quick cash in exchange for an even-worse structural deficit; Russia has to reform with worse odds for sustainable outcomes, face a real threat of another partition or firesale of massive territory, or collapse. Someone referenced Russia's abolition of serfdom. What they failed to mention is that freedom was financed with the sale of Alaska.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:07
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kalstrams posted:You are a: Left-Leaning Pro-Government Multilateralist Humanist Liberal You are a: Socialist Pro-Government Non-Interventionist Reactionary Collectivism score: 50% Authoritarianism score: 33% Internationalism score: -17% Tribalism score: 0% Liberalism score: -50% Makes alot of sense.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:10
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"Things a freeper would call somebody"
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Nov 29, 2014 21:12
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My Imaginary GF posted:1 and 3 are completely different. 3 is a shakedown of the easiest populations to shake down while cutting their employment and services, to the point where they become militant; it's the Assad scenario. Actually the end of serfdom was financed with loans provided by the government to the serfs themselves to purchase property, Alaska was a side endevor. 1. Most likely means continued declining revenues added by the burden of privatization and most likely increased social instability. Anti-corruption drives will be stymied by the unpopularity of the rest of the program, and accelerated hyper-inflation. "Forcing" diversification without any state investment will likely lead to no where, and trying to export manufactured goods to Europe isn't likely to work either (Ukraine if anything can undercut Russian wages/closer proximity to Europe itself). The most likely result of 1. is Russia weakens far quicker than 2. where revenue flows through existing patronage would at least keep some revenue coming in rather than a hard economic cliff results from massive layoffs and dismantling of remaining public services. Granted, if you want a weak, basket case Russia then 1 works well for a while until Russia grows too unstable to control and we don't have a functional ABM shield. Admittedly, this post isn't directed to MGF but rather outlining that a classic economic liberal approach to the issue is going to be disastrous and would led to some rather undesirable results. It isn't that massive corruption isn't an issue in Russia but that "starving the beast" is going to be result in starving the population. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 21:25
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You are a: Communist Pro-Government World-Federalist Humanist Liberal Collectivism score: 100% Authoritarianism score: 33% Internationalism score: 100% Tribalism score: -67% Liberalism score: 17% This is kind of dumb.
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Nov 29, 2014 21:41
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Libertine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQRBt9ibJ8 (  )You are a: Anarcho-Syndicalist Environmentalist Anticlericalist Humanist Feminist Pianist Accordionist Collectivism score: 420% toke up erryday Authoritarianism score: 3.1415957% Internationalism score: 666% Tribalism score: 11235813% Liberalism score: 0xFF7F%
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Nov 29, 2014 21:54
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Please stop posting test results. I beg you!
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Nov 29, 2014 22:04
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Ardennes posted:Actually the end of serfdom was financed with loans provided by the government to the serfs themselves to purchase property, Alaska was a side endevor. I'm not calling for starving the beast. I'm saying Russians need to kill the beast before they even think about giving it any food. What was the value of Russian currency before the Crimean War, and how much did Russian debt serving obligations take up as a % of the state budget after the war? The Tsar didn't emancipate the serfs out of the kindness of his heart: he needed money, so he forced the nobles to sell their surfs and financed that move with requiring the serfs to pay debt servicing. It was a tax move, not an expansion of freedom and power sharing. Specifically, it was a move to force individuals to pay tax in Russian currency and end receipt of in-kind payments. After the Crimean War, there was no demand for Russian currency--who knew how long the Russians could meet their debt servicing obligations? The Tsar's solution? Force the emancipation of serfs on non-state land in order to create demand for Russian currency and reduce receipt of in-kind payments. You pay the landholders in bonds that you aren't likely to meet debt servicing obligations on and inflate the currency to nullify the state debt. So what happens in 1866 and 1867? The Russian budget became over-dependant on revenue from the bubble in cotton and the new production in Central Asia, so you emancipate the state's serfs in 1866 and sell the land while selling all claims to Alaska in 1867 in order to raise once-off capital for debt servicing obligations while also implementing additional reforms designed to increase the effective revenue from taxation. Its about capital and ability to meet debt servicing obligations, not about freedom or total state debt. You can't do an anti-corruption drive without systemic reform which incentivates compliance with a simplified tax code. You don't do an anti-corruption drive: Russia is far too corrupt for that to be anything other than a purge of rival oligarchs. What you do is kill the revenue from corruption completely. Not starve it, kill it and fire unproductive employees. You abolish departments; you fire everyone and force them to go through a new hiring process for a much-streamlined bureaucracy. You pay the core bureaucrats well enough so that they have no need to return to corrupt practices, and only employ individuals you can afford to pay. You eliminate taxes in which the state didn't have compliance with, and lower rates on those with limited effectiveness. This raises your government's revenue because you now have a higher rate of compliance with your lower rates of taxation than you'd ever see by maintaining the old system. You kill the beast that is Russian bureaucracy and increase state revenue in order to generate demand for your currency and shore up its value. You shift the revenue from corruption into revenue for the nation by killing the pathways of corruption while lowering the barriers to compliance. Once you do that, you can focus on expanding your bureaucracy and regulatory environment; this only works after you kill the beast and keep it buried. If you think that this is unrealistic for an Eastern European nation, all of these are the prices Ukranians are willing to pay for freedom from Russia. How much will Russian freedom from China cost? Certainly, far more than the price of Ukranian freedom.
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Nov 29, 2014 22:17
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That's what I was thinking. Ukrainian military shot down a Russian drone near in Schastye, near Luhansk.  Doing a little grocery shopping in Donetsk.  Airport control tower in Donetsk.  So glad we decided to break away from Ukraine and rejoin Russia! Just like old times. People in Stakhanov stand in line since 1 in the morning for bread.  Russian army with 2S1 Gvozdika Self-Propelled guns in Donetsk firing at Ukraine troops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKixsrFwXM0 HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 22:23
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Didn't we end gassing the last thread that was about political compass scores or something. Anyways here mine. 
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Nov 29, 2014 22:26
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I know I'm actually a National-Goonshevik Militant Puritan Cosmopolitan Fundamentalist and I don't need any "tests" to tell me that. I just wanted a chance to use this gif. Please, someone make it my avatar. 
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Nov 29, 2014 22:44
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That quiz... 
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Nov 29, 2014 22:44
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Shopper demand is so great in Donetsk that goods literally fly off the shelves right after they're put up - amazing! 
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Nov 29, 2014 22:51
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ThirdPartyView posted:Shopper demand is so great in Donetsk that goods literally fly off the shelves right after they're put up - amazing! Demand for food in Russia hasn't been this high since 1921!
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Nov 29, 2014 23:01
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 Ukrainian Mortal Combat. Putin vs Poroshenko. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88V69IsXJG4
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Nov 29, 2014 23:19
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The fate of Ukraine: to be starved to death by Russia every century.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:46
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:That quiz... poo poo makes no sense. What the gently caress is a Right-Leaning Anarchist Humanist Liberal supposed to mean even? I thought Anarchists are pretty much always left wing and also almost the diametric opposite of Liberal (unless they mean Liberal in the American sense?). Its a fun way to waste two minutes I guess but don't put much stock in the results.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:47
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Mightypeon posted:No, using some basic historic knowledge: That is... quite a peculiar reading of history. The serfs were liberated not because Russia was safe, but because the revolutionary situation in the country could only be described as "explosive". Moreover, the abolition of serfdom came soon after the Crimean war, which was a diplomatic catastrophe for Russia. The two leading European powers (England and France) stepped in to defend Turkey, while the countries that Russia considered to be friendly (Germany & Austria) turned a cold shoulder. Thus, during this period Russia was less secure, both internally and internationally compared to the 40 years previously between Napoleonic and Crimean Wars. Turning to the relative liberalism of the Kruschev era, its cause stems from two key words. First, "Kruschev" - because it was primarily due to his personal conviction that you can't build communism behind barbed wire. If, for example, Zhukov became leader after Stalin, then it's more likely that everyone would be sitting in dugouts. Secondly, "relative" - because ruling after the aging paranoid Stalin, it's quite hard to imagine the system becoming any more repressive. And again, it's quite hard to call the era when of anti-Soviet hysteria in America when the US nuclear arsenal outnumbered the Soviet 5:1 to 10:1 as being one when Russia felt "safe". Wouldn't it become much, much safer a decade later during detente and nuclear parity? Finally, where is the mention of Perestroika, perhaps the greatest liberalization of them all? And yet again, that didn't start at a time of relative calm, it started after 1983-84, one of the peaks of the Cold War. So, in actual fact, the pattern is quite the opposite. During times of peace, safety and stability, the ruling Russian regime is free to plunder 1/8th - 1/6th of the Earth's landmass of natural resources and use the proceeds to stomp on the face of humanity indefinitely. On the contrary, it's only when it gets an rear end-kicking from the West that Russia suddenly gets an impetus at all to modernize, if only not to fall further behind.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:49
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A Pale Horse posted:I thought Anarchists are pretty much always left wing This is a lie that certain strains spread, since they din;t like the fact that their purported ideal endgame frequently would result in both benefits for other people and is sought by people diametrically opposed to them.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:32
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My Imaginary GF posted:What was the value of Russian currency before the Crimean War, and how much did Russian debt serving obligations take up as a % of the state budget after the war? The Tsar didn't emancipate the serfs out of the kindness of his heart: he needed money, so he forced the nobles to sell their surfs and financed that move with requiring the serfs to pay debt servicing. It was a tax move, not an expansion of freedom and power sharing. My response was that the income from end of serfdom easily overshadowed the sale of Alaska, you led with the wrong foot. If you had say it was "mostly payments from Serfs" it wouldn't have been an issue but it also wouldn't have fit with the whole "partition" theme you had going on. quote:What you do is kill the revenue from corruption completely. Not starve it, kill it and fire unproductive employees. You abolish departments; you fire everyone and force them to go through a new hiring process for a much-streamlined bureaucracy. You pay the core bureaucrats well enough so that they have no need to return to corrupt practices, and only employ individuals you can afford to pay. One issue obviously is Georgia isn't Russia, and fear of Moscow is simply greater than that of Tbilisi, most Russians stock their earnings abroad not just because of tax reasons, but because of fear of appropriation, which is if anything goes back very very long into Russian history, practically to Ivan IV at least. Russia already implemented a flat income that if anything spurred an informal economy on the low end. Also, the structural adjustments in Georgia happened for specific reasons and in total led to some pretty undesirable outcomes. One is while Georgia saw high growth from deregulation during aughts, by 2008 it hit a cliff and Georgia since then has seen growth but also continued very high unemployment. In addition, in Georgia, plenty of cracks have formed within the economy, especially in rural areas and it is unclear in investments in tourism will actually pay out. In addition, the reforms were only political sustainable because Georgia's only choice was embrace American style economic liberalism for obvious reasons, but Russia can't help but being Russia. China isn't comparable to Russia's position in the former Soviet Union, and while obviously Western conservatives have played them up considerably, China's position is simply different. Russia has no history of Chinese domination, and the Chinese if anything are spread a bit thin at the moment and have their own "neighborhood" to deal with ie Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines and beyond. Russia is if anything is comparable to Hungary in a certain way, a core of an empire that is continues to struggle with its past and because of that doesn't see or have much of a future. Also, the jury is still out on Ukraine, Russia aside, Ukraine is accruing debt as a very high rate and the Hryvnia is in worse shape than the ruble, it is an open question of how it will dig its way out of it while being hit with structural reforms at the same time. Georgia if anything had the benefit of a relatively robust global economy during the aughts, Ukraine is anything is going to try to undergo reforms in a period of declining fortunes, this is putting aside the war itself and the damage from it.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:42
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I like this quiz. You are a: Communist Pro-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Progressive Collectivism score: 100% Authoritarianism score: 33% Internationalism score: 17% Tribalism score: -100% Liberalism score: 67% Everything except Interventionist seems about right.
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Nov 30, 2014 01:28
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Freakazoid_ posted:You are a: Communist Pro-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Progressive Hi Obama.
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Nov 30, 2014 01:47
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:That's what I was thinking. Honestly the drone looks ancient, It could just be surplus some DNR guy bought online. No indication it's Russian. The control tower reminds me of the water tower in Vukovar that became a symbol during the Croatian war of independence. 
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Nov 30, 2014 06:23
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You are a: Socialist Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Libertine Collectivism score: 67% Authoritarianism score: 0% Internationalism score: 33% Tribalism score: -100% Liberalism score: 100% I demand to be crowned King Liberal now. I promise to only practice the enlightened kind of absolutism It's strange though, the only interventionist answer I gave was 'maybe' for that question icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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