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ActusRhesus posted:It probably didn't matter in this case because the physical evidence didn't suggest he was shot while fleeing. HOWEVER...a. why the hell hasn't Missouri updated it's criminal code since...you know...1985. b. Every borderline competent first year law student knows about Tennessee v. Garner...why did she not know the statute was unconstitutional AT THE TIME SHE HANDED IT OUT? c. why are they handing out statutes at all? Doesn't Missouri have stock jury instructions that (presumably) include all relevant case law developments? The whole grand jury was irregular from start to finish, it doesn't surprise me that the record contains gently caress-ups like that. I don't know what it says about Missouri's system because there's no way in hell they're ever going to do something like this again.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The whole grand jury was irregular from start to finish, it doesn't surprise me that the record contains gently caress-ups like that. I don't know what it says about Missouri's system because there's no way in hell they're ever going to do something like this again. it's a pretty big fuckup though...I mean...Tennessee v. Garner is part of the multistate bar exam for gently caress's sake. How does a prosecutor not know that's the law? (oh...wait....Missouri.)
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What do you get when you populate a state with a mix of lazy Southern fuckheads and killjoy Northern Lutherans?ActusRhesus posted:(oh...wait....Missouri.)
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Missouri's been a lovely state since it was first formed. It used to be a battleground over slavery, now it's a battleground over race relations.
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Slim Pickens posted:Missouri's been a lovely state since it was first formed. It used to be a battleground over slavery, now it's a battleground over race relations. 
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Missouri is the state that had Executive Order 44 on the books until 1976.
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Internet Wizard posted:Missouri is the state that had Executive Order 44 on the books until 1976. Not seeing the issue here.
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Just pointing out Missouri's stellar track record of dealing with their undesirables.
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Slim Pickens posted:Missouri's been a lovely state since it was first formed. It used to be a battleground over slavery, now it's a battleground over race relations. Gotta get me one of those 'John Brown was my homie' t-shirts.
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Lotron posted:A million bucks for being a stupid gently caress with a gun? Uh I dunno dude. He's got a semi cleft pallet and Kenneth's glass jaw from 30 Rock. Taking down Marcellus Wallace fully choomed up and charging you like your are delicious Caucasian Law Enforcement prey on the Serengeti is pretty smart. He's a pretty good example of the best in our species, particularly when compared objectively to the decomposing remains of everyone's favorite cigarillo thief and corteous bodega patron, Mike Brown Junior. Dizzle Wizzle found himself in the midst of an impromptu concrete jungle big game hunt (seriously his dad looks like Tyreese from the walking dead and I think his mom has a neck tattoo) and came out with the perfect K/D ratio, scored a quality headshot, and had the cavalry keep the darkness from fully enveloping his $1 million dollar enriched world, and instead got to watch an entire minority group set itself back internally and externally an entire generation or two. Darren Wilson should be Time magazines man of the year, because he might have finally separated African America from Democratic American power bases by starting what only looks like a hairline fracture now with the choomer in chief still in office. But it's much more than a fracture, and black votes will require black candidates now. And guess what we won't be nominating in either party in 2016? Those mid term results weren't anomalous, and the Michael Brown / Darren Wilson political fallout hasn't even stopped rising yet to know exactly where it's falling, but it's taking out every bridge of race relations improvements we've had since 2006 I guaran-goddamn-tee you that much boys, I tell you what.  :cowboy: I hope Darren Wilson runs for congress, I'll campaign for him. I don't care under what ticket.
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P.S. gently caress all you human being pearl clutching American hating anti-Missourians. The big MO is the official state of GiP, being the only state to give us a president willing to fight with nuclear fire and local cops to take brave enough to put down choomed out young Rodney Kings before they get their CDL's and become highway patrol's problem.
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Obama Africanus posted:P.S. gently caress all you human being pearl clutching American hating anti-Missourians. The big MO is the official state of GiP, being the only state to give us a president willing to fight with nuclear fire and local cops to take brave enough to put down choomed out young Rodney Kings before they get their CDL's and become highway patrol's problem. This.
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Obama Africanus posted:P.S. gently caress all you human being pearl clutching American hating anti-Missourians. The big MO is the official state of GiP, being the only state to give us a president willing to fight with nuclear fire and local cops to take brave enough to put down choomed out young Rodney Kings before they get their CDL's and become highway patrol's problem. I don't know that MO is even worth hating. Is it known for anything besides racism and launching B-2s?
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CNN says two men, one of whom claiming to be affiliated with the Black Panthers, were planning on killing the Ferguson prosecutor and police chief and blowing up the St. Louis Arch. http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cr...A6p0RLrCNOC6VM-
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Godholio posted:I don't know that MO is even worth hating. Is it known for anything besides racism and launching B-2s? Most people only hate my home state about 3/5ths of the way, they usually don't completely hate Missouri. 2/5ths of Missouri is definitely awesome. 3/5ths is much more useful for economic exploitation vice greater societal integration. Absolutely no part of me is kidding. Sometimes King Solomon does have to chop up a baby. 
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CBJSprague24 posted:CNN says two men, one of whom claiming to be affiliated with the Black Panthers, were planning on killing the Ferguson prosecutor and police chief and blowing up the St. Louis Arch. Seems like a false flag agent provocateur goal post moving bootstrapper government agent to me, op But really what did the arch ever do to anyone >:[
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justice4trayvawn posted:Seems like a false flag agent provocateur goal post moving bootstrapper government agent to me, op Architectural blasphemy. Freestanding arches are the heretical product of witchcraft and their builders must be burned.
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ActusRhesus posted:Doesn't Missouri have stock jury instructions that (presumably) include all relevant case law developments? They do. I'm too lazy to go dig up a link to the article because I saw it months ago but the jury instructions regarding use of force by law enforcement used in MO explicitly discuss Garner as well as the fact that MO law hasn't been updated and that the portion regarding the fleeing felon rule should be disregarded. So either the ADA in question is unfamiliar with the stock jury instructions used in every case involving use of force by law enforcement in the state in which she practices law, or she deliberately misled the grand jury. Neither option reflects highly on the St Louis County DA's office...not that anything will come of it because lol at holding anyone in the justice system accountable for gently caress-ups. As long as you aren't Nifong-levels of incompetent at your buffoonery, you're pretty safe. As for why MO hasn't updated the actual law,  . Also Missouri.
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MaxPowers posted:
Don't know much about security stuff; I was just a command and control weenie during my defense gig 
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iyaayas01 posted:They do. I'm too lazy to go dig up a link to the article because I saw it months ago but the jury instructions regarding use of force by law enforcement used in MO explicitly discuss Garner as well as the fact that MO law hasn't been updated and that the portion regarding the fleeing felon rule should be disregarded. I got really high and I've been marathoning L&O so this is all a channeled Jack McCoy joke. Well not really. But if I don't put this here I'm sure some human being will get upset. That ADA is under no legal obligation to provide an explanation of Garner to the grand Jury under MO law. MO law is pretty clear on when we think it's ok to parajudiciously employ lethal force on the Statutory Grape crowd. And at the end of the day MO laws are the only ones that matter here. And a bill of non indictment is a no-poo poo IRL get out of jail free card. Knowing what we all now know about Mike Brown Jr. how is it not obvious that justice was served by his choomed up cop attacking felon rear end having his head perforated by the righteous and holy hands of one Officer Wilson? I'm serious, the loving kid was a menace. We got cop problems in this country, but not in this instance. Like it or love it are your only options when it comes to the Mike Brown Jr.'s of the world missing their chance at doing federal time for the big pen in the sky when a cop legally, properly, judiciously (and if my erection is any indication, erotically) puts a bullet through their skulls. Perhaps when they evolve more fast twitch musculature in their decision making regions of their parasympathetic nervous systems the Americanus Africannas will have better survival outcomes with cops they're attacking and provoking (not to mention disobeying) following their violent felonies committed at local markets against struggling law abiding shop keepers. Jane Goodall has a completely different kind of jungle to brave if we want to get her anthropological slant on choomed up modern black males and oriental shop keepers in St Louis though, and it can take a long time to show these evolutions, not that we lack for observable specimens of either these unfortunately spreading populations. Truth. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Goddamned Walking Dead, man. JRR Martin must've ghostwritten this episode.
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Did they cave in the Chinamans head with a baseball bat IN DC like in the comic books? Bc I been waiting to prove my thesis about popular cultures immune response to yellow fever when it flairs up here in America and Glenn makes for an excellent case study.
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Obama Africanus posted:Did they cave in the Chinamans head with a baseball bat IN DC like in the comic books? Bc I been waiting to prove my thesis about popular cultures immune response to yellow fever when it flairs up here in America and Glenn makes for an excellent case study. Not yet. Negan hasn't appeared in the show yet, unfortunately. He is an awesome villain, and the only reason I kept reading for a time. Seriously, Kirkman is the most inconsistent writer in comics today. The loving show man... also inconsistent. I have to watch it for work (I work in a comic shop) but Jesus H Christ on a rocket powered pogo stick that show is poorly written. And Rick must have been the Barney Fife of his department, because that motherfucker can't even accomplish basic cop tasks- handling prisoners, killing unarmed children, beating minorities, just day one academy poo poo. I kid, but seriously, that dude must have been the most incompetent sheriff since that Chode in Tombstone.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Not yet. Negan hasn't appeared in the show yet, unfortunately. He is an awesome villain, and the only reason I kept reading for a time. Wyatt Earp was('nt all that bad of a)a bad motherfucker and I'll slap the taste of dick out of your human being mouth if you argue to the contrary on this internet subforum. 
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Obama Africanus posted:
Hate to break it to you, but Garner was an 8th Amendment case, and SCOTUS trumps the Missouri statehouse on matters of US constitution.
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ActusRhesus posted:It probably didn't matter in this case because the physical evidence didn't suggest he was shot while fleeing. HOWEVER...a. why the hell hasn't Missouri updated it's criminal code since...you know...1985. b. Every borderline competent first year law student knows about Tennessee v. Garner...why did she not know the statute was unconstitutional AT THE TIME SHE HANDED IT OUT? c. why are they handing out statutes at all? Doesn't Missouri have stock jury instructions that (presumably) include all relevant case law developments? is there someplace I can view a tl;dr of what actually happened?
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Reverand maynard posted:is there someplace I can view a tl;dr of what actually happened? if you google "ferguson evidence transcripts" NY Times, I believe, has all the evidence posted. Full transcripts, documents, etc.
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ActusRhesus posted:Every borderline competent undergrad who's taken a 100-level CJ course knows about Tennessee v. Garner...why did she not know the statute was unconstitutional AT THE TIME SHE HANDED IT OUT? c. Fixed that for you
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CBJSprague24 posted:CNN says two men, one of whom claiming to be affiliated with the Black Panthers, were planning on killing the Ferguson prosecutor and police chief and blowing up the St. Louis Arch. Now this actually makes sense, as opposed to knocking off random storefronts.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Now this actually makes sense, as opposed to knocking off random storefronts. Except that the amount of explosives required to have any effect would be prohibitive. I mean, it is funny imagining some black guys in berets and leather jackets carting multiple wheelbarrows of fertilizer across the Arch grounds, but it probably was never going to happen.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Except that the amount of explosives required to have any effect would be prohibitive. I mean, it is funny imagining some black guys in berets and leather jackets carting multiple wheelbarrows of fertilizer across the Arch grounds, but it probably was never going to happen. Ehh.....they probably failed out of flight school.
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Obama Africanus posted:Wyatt Earp was('nt all that bad of a)a bad motherfucker and I'll slap the taste of dick out of your human being mouth if you argue to the contrary on this internet subforum. Not him, the first Mayor/Sheriff limp dick motherfucker. Are just going to sit there and bleed words onto a keyboard ? Skin that smokewagon and go to work! I am going to watch Tombstone tonight. Glad they finally added it to Netflix Instant.
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ActusRhesus posted:Hate to break it to you, but Garner was an 8th Amendment case, and SCOTUS trumps the Missouri statehouse on matters of US constitution. forget it, he's rolling (though John Belushi was never not funny - what happened, Shim?)
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ActusRhesus posted:if you google "ferguson evidence transcripts" NY Times, I believe, has all the evidence posted. Full transcripts, documents, etc. please google what tl;dr means
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Reverand maynard posted:please google what tl;dr means Maybe try using google yourself
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i keep thinking i'm in d&d when i see this ferguson poo poo here please excuse me
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Waroduce posted:Hug it out Suck my dick from the back.
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Waroduce posted:Hug it out What happened to you sexy Hitler av?!
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