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Jack of Hearts posted:All Israelis, and US citizenship. We gave it on an expedited basis to Cuban refugees. I was challenging the silliness of your original statement, not claiming that it was a plausible solution to the problem. Although, actually, if there were a way for America to give subtle preference to Jewish and Israeli immigration, that would let a tremendous amount of air out of Israel's tires. Yes let's reinstitute horrifically racist immigration policies so as to better carry out ethnic cleansing.
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The Insect Court posted:Yes let's reinstitute horrifically racist immigration policies so as to better carry out ethnic cleansing. Well, if it's good enough for Israel, it's good enough for the USA.
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Subtle immigration preferences to Israelis = Ethnic cleansing. Not so subtle theft of Palestinian lands and property + the occasional bombing campaign and decades of oppression = Meh. TIC, once again, not taking sides, he's just here to facilitate balanced discussion and make sure both view points are represented fairly.
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Dec 1, 2014 11:56
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The Insect Court posted:Yes let's reinstitute horrifically racist immigration policies so as to better carry out ethnic cleansing. As the suggested policies are light-touch examples of what Israel does as standard practice, are you finally agreeing that Israel is racist and conducts ethnic cleansing?
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Dec 1, 2014 12:00
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But won`t that help Palestine if Israeli jews get preferential treatment? That would help shift the demographic to Israels disfavour sooner. I you oppose Zionism than surely you must be in favour in whatever measures that will result in Jewish emigration from Israel? The ends justifies the means in this case.
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The Insect Court posted:Yes let's reinstitute horrifically racist immigration policies so as to better carry out ethnic cleansing. 
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Dec 1, 2014 15:53
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Let's talk about some real issues here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFT22S9euEI
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You have to know people's weak spots. Does MIGF seem sensitive to being called evil? No, he will dismiss you as unrealistic and foolish. Better to show him up for a fraud and hurt his professional credibility. Which I am well-placed to do in this situation where I know 1000% more than he ever will. MIGF is a complete joke and has been owned repeatedly by volkerball of all posters. It's hilarious how much care has been given about his stupid gimmick that was done years ago by far better, more intelligent posters. The whole 'i'm an important person i swear pay attention to meeeee!! i just happen to have enough free time to post on somethingawful.com upwards of 100 times per day' is pretty funny though i have to admit, who the gently caress does he think he's kidding with that nonsense. The Insect Court posted:Yes let's reinstitute horrifically racist immigration policies so as to better carry out ethnic cleansing. That's not ethnic cleansing though, or even remotely close. Look, I'm pretty vocal that DD is a huge echo chamber but you aren't helping the case with stupid poo poo like this.
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Wait am I missing something with how Cuban refugees were handled, or is TIC somehow arguing that having a fast track to citizenship for anyone who is Jewish is ethnic cleansing? Because if so, I think we need to talk about the present day ethnic cleansing Israel is doing to every other nation on Earth by having the Right of Return. I don't recall the USA forcing Cubans to come to America as part of their plan to handle refugees.
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DrProsek posted:Wait am I missing something with how Cuban refugees were handled, or is TIC somehow arguing that having a fast track to citizenship for anyone who is Jewish is ethnic cleansing? Because if so, I think we need to talk about the present day ethnic cleansing Israel is doing to every other nation on Earth by having the Right of Return. I don't recall the USA forcing Cubans to come to America as part of their plan to handle refugees. "ethnic vacuuming"
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tsa posted:MIGF is a complete joke and has been owned repeatedly by volkerball of all posters. It's hilarious how much care has been given about his stupid gimmick that was done years ago by far better, more intelligent posters. The whole 'i'm an important person i swear pay attention to meeeee!! i just happen to have enough free time to post on somethingawful.com upwards of 100 times per day' is pretty funny though i have to admit, who the gently caress does he think he's kidding with that nonsense. sup We're going to early elections! Who's ready for Prime Minister Bennett?
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Volkerball posted:sup Personally, I'm hoping for PM Bibi with a stronger position. Israelis could use moderates with majority mandates.
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Fangz posted:Let's talk about some real issues here This anime has low production values because Israel is an apartheid state.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Personally, I'm hoping for PM Bibi with a stronger position. Israelis could use moderates with majority mandates. One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is made up bullshit.
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CommieGIR posted:One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is made up bullshit. When Lieberman is PM you'll miss Bibi!
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CommieGIR posted:One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is made up bullshit. Remember, this is Rahm we're talking about. Moderate = you could find someone crazier. Which is true. There are crazier people to the right of Netanyahu.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Remember, this is Rahm we're talking about. Moderate = you could find someone crazier. Which is true. There are crazier people to the right of Netanyahu. But the idea that strengthening BiBi "Bomb Iran" Netanyahu is going to create more moderate positions is laughable. Yes, there is crazier, but BiBi is already 'crazy'
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CommieGIR posted:But the idea that strengthening BiBi "Bomb Iran" Netanyahu is going to create more moderate positions is laughable. He's actually a real big coward who will deflate under pressure. Which makes him useful if he does have that mandate, then, more importantly, the US pressures him to do the right thing. But I don't see that happening with our current Congress/Administration.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He's actually a real big coward who will deflate under pressure. Which makes him useful if he does have that mandate, then, more importantly, the US pressures him to do the right thing. But I don't see that happening with our current Congress/Administration. That is true. However, I feel like if he strengthens his party position in the government, he might get the little extra inflation he needs. I also don't see any incoming US Government doing different either. Regardless, BiBi's position is nowhere near moderate. Moderate position of the Extreme Right? Sure.
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CommieGIR posted:That is true. However, I feel like if he strengthens his party position in the government, he might get the little extra inflation he needs. If you don't like his positions, he has others. By the way, it's still not clear that there will be elections. As it stands it's threats after sour talks with Yesh Atid (currently the biggest coalition partner).
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team overhead smash posted:As the suggested policies are light-touch examples of what Israel does as standard practice, are you finally agreeing that Israel is racist and conducts ethnic cleansing? Well of course certain Israeli government policies in the occupied territories amount to ethnic cleansing T.O.S. What some of imbecile could argue otherwise? You'd have to be as delusionally hateful as someone who insisted that if the Jordanian government acted to ease immigration and naturalization for Palestinians in the West Bank(and Egypt with Gazans) at the behest of Israel and with the explicit goal of "letting the air out" of Palestinian nationalism and transferring the Palestinian population out of Palestine it wouldn't amount to ethnic cleansing. I think ethnic cleansing is always wrong, but I realize that's not a very popular position in this thread. 
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The Insect Court posted:Well of course certain Israeli government policies in the occupied territories amount to ethnic cleansing T.O.S. What some of imbecile could argue otherwise? You'd have to be as delusionally hateful as someone who insisted that if the Jordanian government acted to ease immigration and naturalization for Palestinians in the West Bank(and Egypt with Gazans) at the behest of Israel and with the explicit goal of "letting the air out" of Palestinian nationalism and transferring the Palestinian population out of Palestine it wouldn't amount to ethnic cleansing. Nice strawman, I think your pants are on fire.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Personally, I'm hoping for PM Bibi with a stronger position. Israelis could use moderates with majority mandates. The Insect Court posted:I think ethnic cleansing is always wrong, but I realize that's not a very popular position in this thread. OK, guys, be honest, which universe are you posting from? We promise we'll stick to the Prime Directive. Unless our alternate selves try to turn us into their sex-slaves. That's just weird.
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The Insect Court posted:Well of course certain Israeli government policies in the occupied territories amount to ethnic cleansing T.O.S. What some of imbecile could argue otherwise? You'd have to be as delusionally hateful as someone who insisted that if the Jordanian government acted to ease immigration and naturalization for Palestinians in the West Bank(and Egypt with Gazans) at the behest of Israel and with the explicit goal of "letting the air out" of Palestinian nationalism and transferring the Palestinian population out of Palestine it wouldn't amount to ethnic cleansing. Well the thing is my confidence in your analysis is essentially non-existent after you implicitly adopted a pro-nazi stance and avoided addressing the topic here and here. Also your statement seems to have messed up a double negative as Jordan doing that isn;t inherently ethnic cleansing, but rather it requires the 'push' mechanisms from Israel to constitute that.
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Fangz posted:Let's talk about some real issues here really tempted to make Shalom-chan my avatar
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What's the worst case for election outcome in Israel? Are we talking about a new PM whose victory speech is them declaring they've signed legislation that will outlaw Palestine forever, the bombing begins in five minutes?
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People say there is no prospect for an agreement to the Israel-Palestine conflict. But this is not true. Both sides can assent to this framework agreement: The best solution is to Destroy _______, Kill the ______ and establish a unified state of _______ in its place, following the religion of _______. This way, the Holy City of ________ will be protected, the long-oppressed people of ________ will regain their historical lands, and there will be justice and peace.
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Darth Walrus posted:This was alluded to earlier in the thread, but Gaza is presently under water and the UN has declared a state of emergency. Just in case, you know, you were thinking it looked like a nice place to move to. Man the photos of Shujaiya still completely bombed to poo poo but now flooded really hammers home how Gaza is just a huge version of the Warsaw Ghetto. I know the comparison is inherently incendiary but really that's what it reminds me of from my school books. Bombing towns to rubble and just letting people live in the poo poo and squalour of the wreckage while also blockading building materials is just outright monstrous. If you were a malignant oval office you could rationalise it if palestine was a recognised state which Israel was at war with, as is though they are meant to be under Israel's protection. Its really loving basic what is going on, you declare a nation of a different race to you to not exist, seperate it into two tiny territories and then turn one into a prison (that you can bomb) and the other you colonise. We call this ethnic cleansing.
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nopantsjack posted:Man the photos of Shujaiya still completely bombed to poo poo but now flooded really hammers home how Gaza is just a huge version of the Warsaw Ghetto. I know the comparison is inherently incendiary but really that's what it reminds me of from my school books. Building supplies and chocolate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwsMJmvS0AY Anything in the hands of a Palestinian can be a weapon. 
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Xander77 posted:Shooting and Crying. This is awesome. Thanks for digging this up!
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CommieGIR posted:Nice strawman, I think your pants are on fire. What's wrong with being willing to speak out against those who would condone, excuse, or outright advocate for acts of ethnic cleansing or genocide? That's the case whether it's coming from the far right or the far left, from "Greater Israel" Kahanist types or their extreme "anti-Zionists" counterparts. Ethnic cleansing is bad, whether the targets are Israeli Jews or Palestinian Muslims. I'm sorry if you consider that statement some kind of strawman, because it seems unarguably true to me.
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The Insect Court posted:What's wrong with being willing to speak out against those who would condone, excuse, or outright advocate for acts of ethnic cleansing or genocide? That's the case whether it's coming from the far right or the far left, from "Greater Israel" Kahanist types or their extreme "anti-Zionists" counterparts. Ethnic cleansing is bad, whether the targets are Israeli Jews or Palestinian Muslims. I'm sorry if you consider that statement some kind of strawman, because it seems unarguably true to me. And yet, strangely enough, your ears only straighten up when someone seems to suggest something that kind of looks like it's not nice to Israeli Jews if you look at it in the right light, and then you make sure to paint every single person in this thread in this stupid brush, including Israeli Jews such as myself. It's as if you were concern trolling because otherwise you would have to admit the complete horror that is the Israeli regime, or something. 
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syscall girl posted:Building supplies and chocolate. To be fair many of those things could be used as weapons to kill Israelis. How is the secondmost well-equipped military in the world supposed to deal with an insurgency armed with kitchen knives and hammers, huh?
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nopantsjack posted:To be fair many of those things could be used as weapons to kill Israelis. How is the secondmost well-equipped military in the world supposed to deal with an insurgency armed with kitchen knives and hammers, huh? You ignore them until they quit seeking your attention.
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My Imaginary GF posted:You ignore them until they quit seeking your attention. Agreed. e: As long as by ignore them you mean don't retaliate against resistance with massive state terrorism. That coupled with actually supporting the occupied territories would pretty much put a stop to most of whats going on.
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My Imaginary GF posted:You There. Fixed that for you. What don't you do for a friend like Rahm? 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There. Fixed that for you. What don't you do for a friend like Rahm? That's part of ignoring them. They want to go through your territorial waters? You ignore their excuses and ensure your national integrity is maintained, by force when necessary.
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My Imaginary GF posted:That's part of ignoring them. They want to go through your territorial waters? You ignore their excuses and ensure your national integrity is maintained, by force when necessary. Hows that loving plan for the preemptive nuclear strike on Iran going? The Insect Court posted:What's wrong with being willing to speak out against those who would condone, excuse, or outright advocate for acts of ethnic cleansing or genocide? That's the case whether it's coming from the far right or the far left, from "Greater Israel" Kahanist types or their extreme "anti-Zionists" counterparts. Ethnic cleansing is bad, whether the targets are Israeli Jews or Palestinian Muslims. I'm sorry if you consider that statement some kind of strawman, because it seems unarguably true to me. I dunno, you sure do spend a lot of time trying to justify what the IDF and Israeli Government does.
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CommieGIR posted:Hows that loving plan for the preemptive nuclear strike on Iran going? You'd have to ask the Sauds; last I checked, they don't give a poo poo about I/P issues.
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