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IIRC, Traviss was actually told to use the three million clone trooper figure by Lucasfilm to begin with. It's still retarded, but that's one thing you can't really blame on her. Hell, the book Labyrinth of Evil by fan favorite James Luceno would have you believe that the Clone Army had less than one million troopers.
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The three million figure makes sense if the entire purpose of the war was to scatter the jedi along a huge, strung-out front where they could be easily picked off once the time came. But, just like having the clone army secretly started by Palpatine, Lucas had to change his mind about it since apparently things like foreshadowing and having a plot that makes sense are anathema to Star Wars.
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Loden Taylor posted:The three million figure makes sense if the entire purpose of the war was to scatter the jedi along a huge, strung-out front where they could be easily picked off once the time came. But, just like having the clone army secretly started by Palpatine, Lucas had to change his mind about it since apparently things like foreshadowing and having a plot that makes sense are anathema to Star Wars. ok i'll go wage galactic war with less troops than it took to garrison nazi germany after ww2 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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She also managed to "fix" the numbers issue by having a few billion clones secretly held in reserve on Coruscant's moon. Once the Jedi were wiped out, the massive occupation force would roll over the galaxy.
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Arcsquad12 posted:She also managed to "fix" the numbers issue by having a few billion clones secretly held in reserve on Coruscant's moon. Once the Jedi were wiped out, the massive occupation force would roll over the galaxy. ok conservatively assuming 1 billion clones and ten thousand jedi that means roughly 100% of the clone army were not deployed and 1 jedi is worth about 100000 clones on the battlefield i mean come on karen traviss you don't have to wank about jedi superpowers that hard~
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I don't get why everyone's so hung up on the stupid Selonians from those Corellia books. I read those books when I was 10 or so and yeah they were trash, but in the proverbial toilet bowl of the Star Wars EU the Selonians aren't a very remarkable turd. They're just another generic space furries species in a universe that's long been jam-packed with space furries starting with Chewbacca himself, in the space opera genre where space furries seem to be mandatory (Known Space, Star Trek, Wing Commander, etc.). They speak stupid broken English, they have "exotic" misogyny, they're just generically lame and certainly not as much as a howler as Han Solo's evil cousin who is literally just a fat Han Solo with Saddam Hussein's moustache or that ancient superweapon that drags planets between star systems. Speaking of space furries and Wing Commander, Chris Roberts is literally George Lucas, but a video game developer instead of a movie director. The 2.5D Wing Commander games are the original trilogy, where he has people like Warren Spector who are far more competent than him making his stories tolerable and keeping the stupid poo poo minimized, then they go away, Chris Roberts takes total control, and you get Wing Commander 3 and 4--intrusive, terribly acted, tedious technology-driven cinematic masturbation (this time the gimmick is FMV, whereas the PT gimmick is CGI), cack-handed World War II analogies, utterly reprehensible themes (genocide is OK because the Kilrathi are evil evil EEEEEVIIIIIL to the core and there's not a single good one), ridiculous supervillain antagonists (Admiral Tolwyn belongs in a Wolfenstein game), utterly wrecking the characterization of the most memorable character in the previous installments (Hobbes : Wing Commander III = Obi-Wan Kenobi : Star Wars Episode 1), and a complete lack of focus or discipline. Then Prophecy is that one Star Wars Thunderbirds-ripoff CG movie with the gay Hutt. I wonder what George Lucas's answer to Scam Citizen will be! 
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Woolie Wool posted:Han Solo's evil cousin who is literally just a fat Han Solo with Saddam Hussein's moustache  quote:or that ancient superweapon that drags planets between star systems. i mean kotor had the eyestalk people but they talked and could be shot quote:Speaking of space furries and Wing Commander, Chris Roberts is literally George Lucas  at anyone who spent actual money on star shitizen, which is all the justification ever needed for cultural pessimism
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The Corellian trilogy also started the whole "the Solo children are magic on a new level beyond Jedi" with Anakin walking through an impenetrable force field and all. But luckily when I was 9 and reading them I mainly just cared about all the c00l descriptions of how Centerpoint and the town inside and its artificial sun worked.
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I misremembered, he has a beard, but still he is basically a clone of Han Solo and the narrative even acknowledged it: If you want to single out one of the space furries, this is the one:  quote:Ikrit was a male Kushiban from the world of Kushibah who was trained as a Jedi by Yoda, and later became a Jedi Master. During his career with the Jedi Order, he discovered a Massassi Temple on Yavin 4 which trapped the souls of many Massassi children. After failing to free them, he went into a self-imposed exile until the person that could free them came to the temple. By doing this, he avoided all Jedi events for the next four hundred years, including the Clone Wars and the Great Jedi Purge. Yes, a Jedi Master who is the size and approximate shape of a Pomeranian. quote:Ikrit—who had sworn not to wield a lightsaber until he had found worthy students—made his decision and join Anakin and Tahiri in their fight. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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He used the bark side of the force
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:Last night I learned of mythosaurs, a beast hunted to extinction by Mandalorians because their skulls were awesome looking. There was a time when they used scale armor and swords but they still used those Boba Fett helmets? They've been using the same helmet design for what must be tens of thousands of years. 
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wait... wait.... the clone troopers were numbered in the... millions???
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Woolie Wool posted:There was a time when they used scale armor and swords but they still used those Boba Fett helmets? They've been using the same helmet design for what must be tens of thousands of years. this really shouldnt surprise you
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I remember the Mandalorian party member in KOTOR 1 talked about his experiences in battles, but his language was so vague I couldn't even tell if he was fighting on the ground or piloting a spaceship or fighting with jetpacks in zero-G like in Enders Game's laser tag. But then I found out that he was riding some sort of mechanical semi-sapient droid beast animal thing. Which they used instead of a normal vehicle with seats or protection for the pilot.
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Skippy the Jedi droid gets my vote... good god what the gently caress? Also that tale where Vader wears white armor was good too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgLa3eKMYs
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RAGE HOLE posted:Oh sweet jesus... No, it's glorious. Burn, Ewoks, BURN! 
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Woolie Wool posted:No, it's glorious. gotta kettch em all
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Woolie Wool posted:There was a time when they used scale armor and swords but they still used those Boba Fett helmets? They've been using the same helmet design for what must be tens of thousands of years. When they introduced General Grevious and gave him his convoluted backstory other than "cyborg Jedi-killer with trophy lightsabers", they explained his face was some ornamental face mask of his culture instead of a hundred other reasons. Liquid Dinosaur posted:I remember the Mandalorian party member in KOTOR 1 talked about his experiences in battles, but his language was so vague I couldn't even tell if he was fighting on the ground or piloting a spaceship or fighting with jetpacks in zero-G like in Enders Game's laser tag. Actually, it depends on which KOTOR play. In the first one, it's very obviously described as this, because the "Basilisk War Droid" actually appeared in the Dark Horse EU comics first before KOTOR...  But in KOTOR 2, it was retcon by Chris Avellone and the game developers to be similar to a semi-autonomous single-man space bike, largely because they felt the bestial appearance was "stupid" and tried to reconcile it with the more modern design of the films. 
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Im calling it first, gonna get rich with Dwarf Fortress novels. You'd be better off writing about one of those popular phone games. Flappy Bird, the Novelization (actually I don't know what phone games are popular with kids).
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Who has the comic panel of Vader holding C3POs head and crying?
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Young Freud posted:Actually, it depends on which KOTOR play. In the first one, it's very obviously described as this, because the "Basilisk War Droid" actually appeared in the Dark Horse EU comics first before KOTOR... Avellone's depiction of the Basilisk may be more accurate - it looks strikingly similar to (Shadows of the Empire's) Price Xizor's Virago, a StarViper-class attack platform he bought from Mandalmotors, the Mandalorian ship engineering and construction firm. It's not at all out of the question that Mandalmotors would base the StarViper design off their proven Basilisk model, so it makes sense that the KOTOR 2 Basilisk would look like it does. 
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burritolingus posted:You'd be better off writing about one of those popular phone games. Flappy Bird, the Novelization (actually I don't know what phone games are popular with kids). its minecraft
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Woolie Wool posted:If you want to single out one of the space furries, this is the one:
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wait what about the ewok jedi that got chewie a jeffersons star ship record.
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Bonzo posted:Who has the comic panel of Vader holding C3POs head and crying?  Best part is they had the nerve to insert this into Empire's storyline. david... posted:its minecraft Yeah, that's what I thought.
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burritolingus posted:Best part is they had the nerve to insert this into Empire. gently caress, star wars is so bad.
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burritolingus posted:
Hell, that version is already outdated. Here's the new one. 
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RocketLunatic posted:Just finished Tarkin, for instance, which had little compelling going for it. Who cares about Grand Moff Tarkin? They paint him as a typical "Mary Sue" villain, cunning and vicious and principled and brilliant. The guy gets blown up with his stupid Death Star. They could have at least foreshadowed that instead of making it like he was a genius tactician. The whole plot is how his custom stealth ship gets stolen by some Rebels and taken for a joy ride, and he and Vader have to go hunt it down. A Star Wars' "Where's my car" take. "Well what does MY tattoo say?" "Darth!" "Sith!" "DARTH!" "SITH!" 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:"Well what does MY tattoo say?" i saw that in theater i mean, dude where is my car
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TOILETLORD posted:i saw that in theater i mean, dude where is my car me too tbh
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The best thing about KOTOR is that it takes place so far in the universe's past that you never hear the words Skywalker, Solo, or Yoda. You can improve on Star Wars so easily if you just avoid having every single character entangled unbelievably with the main cast of the original trilogy.
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Soulcleaver posted:The best thing about KOTOR is that it takes place so far in the universe's past that you never hear the words Skywalker, Solo, or Yoda. You can improve on Star Wars so easily if you just avoid having every single character entangled unbelievably with the main cast of the original trilogy. i want a HK-47 movie that is just a horror movie where a senator slowly watches his staff get picked off one by one until he knows he is next.
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gohuskies posted:Avellone's depiction of the Basilisk may be more accurate - it looks strikingly similar to (Shadows of the Empire's) Price Xizor's Virago, a StarViper-class attack platform he bought from Mandalmotors, the Mandalorian ship engineering and construction firm. It's not at all out of the question that Mandalmotors would base the StarViper design off their proven Basilisk model, so it makes sense that the KOTOR 2 Basilisk would look like it does. Eh, if it comes up in game, I'm gonna say they look like this. 
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So I was wondering this last night...if the clone army was made in secret, how did they keep the construction of the blasters, dropships, spaceships, armor, etc secret? IIRC these were made by "established" EU companies like BlasTech, KDY etc and weren't made by the Kaminoans or Kaminoan clients building them in secret. Was there ever an EU explanation for that? Did Sifo-Diyas contact the equivalent of Lockheed Martin and ask them to develop new shiny spaceships on his lonesome and they we like, "Uh. Okay sure we'll forgo the deposit this time."
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Soulcleaver posted:The best thing about KOTOR is that it takes place so far in the universe's past that you never hear the words Skywalker, Solo, or Yoda. You can improve on Star Wars so easily if you just avoid having every single character entangled unbelievably with the main cast of the original trilogy.
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Sunshine Mix posted:So I was wondering this last night...if the clone army was made in secret, how did they keep the construction of the blasters, dropships, spaceships, armor, etc secret? IIRC these were made by "established" EU companies like BlasTech, KDY etc and weren't made by the Kaminoans or Kaminoan clients building them in secret. Was there ever an EU explanation for that? Did Sifo-Diyas contact the equivalent of Lockheed Martin and ask them to develop new shiny spaceships on his lonesome and they we like, "Uh. Okay sure we'll forgo the deposit this time." The official, canon explanation for this is that Lucas wrote episode 2 over the course of an afternoon and they never went beyond a first draft.
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Soulcleaver posted:The best thing about KOTOR is that it takes place so far in the universe's past that you never hear the words Skywalker, Solo, or Yoda. You can improve on Star Wars so easily if you just avoid having every single character entangled unbelievably with the main cast of the original trilogy. and yet they still manage to have Tatooine be a major player in the plot, have a guy who looks and talks exactly like Yoda act as your character's master, have two protocol droids serve as your bumbling comic relief, give you a palette swap of the Millenium Falcon as your personal ship, and have the villain be a deformed sith with a facial prosthesis and modulated voice
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burritolingus posted:The official, canon explanation for this is that Lucas wrote episode 2 over the course of an afternoon and they never went beyond a first draft. It's kind of mind-blowing that a movie that cost tens of millions of dollars was literally shot using the first pass of a rough draft of the script. I mean, I guess everyone figured they were getting a paycheck and selling a billion toys anyway, so gently caress it.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:and yet they still manage to have Tatooine be a major player in the plot, have a guy who looks and talks exactly like Yoda act as your character's master, have two protocol droids serve as your bumbling comic relief, give you a palette swap of the Millenium Falcon as your personal ship, and have the villain be a deformed sith with a facial prosthesis and modulated voice loving destroyed, KOTOR.
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