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F. Lobot
Jul 6, 2010

Duck Hunt doesn't seem like an ideal tournament stage :ohdear:

No items Duck Hunt only Duck Hunt!

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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.
I notice they're doing 2-stock matches here at Xanadu, when it was 3 stocks for Brawl and 4 stocks for Melee. Is that the standard now for Smash 4? Is Smash 5 going to go to the logical extreme and do 1-stock matches?

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

The duck hunt suicide thing was the funniest thing I've seen in smash in a long time

Gaffle
Aug 23, 2013

sWAg

RyokoTK posted:

I notice they're doing 2-stock matches here at Xanadu, when it was 3 stocks for Brawl and 4 stocks for Melee. Is that the standard now for Smash 4? Is Smash 5 going to go to the logical extreme and do 1-stock matches?

Brawl tournaments have already switched to 1-stock matches, since that game is so slow and defensive. Here's a brawl tournament match from this May. Of course, they also do best of 5, so the matches still take some time.

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

F. Lobot posted:

Duck Hunt doesn't seem like an ideal tournament stage :ohdear:

No items Duck Hunt only Duck Hunt!

I'm not watching whatever stream is going on right now but why not? I like that stage. Seems pretty straightforward.

F. Lobot
Jul 6, 2010

Kaubocks posted:

I'm not watching whatever stream is going on right now but why not? I like that stage. Seems pretty straightforward.

The grass hides traps such as the can and Sheriff. The platforms are too high for Little Mac and Ganondorf to reach. The collision of the platforms isn't clear, and the stage is generally busy.

I'm not ruling it out but there are already a lot of legal stages and it doesn't make a good first impression. The commentators were saying as such.

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

I don't know how counterpick bans work but can't Little Macs and Ganondorfs, in tournament setting, just say no Duck Hunt for the counterpick?

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

Fair points. Especially certain characters not being able to reach the tree platforms. Hadn't thought of that. Worst case it'll still be a stage I pick with my friends-- I mostly just like hitting ducks in the middle of a raging battle. :buddy:

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true

mabels big day posted:

I don't know how counterpick bans work but can't Little Macs and Ganondorfs, in tournament setting, just say no Duck Hunt for the counterpick?

They can - but that means not saying no to another stage that's bad for them. So rather than make keep stages A and B legal, just make B illegal and say no to A during the counterpick. Everyone wins!

That's how a typical argument over stage lists goes and that's why Smash tournaments historically have less than a tenth of the available stages tourney-viable. Some are really obviously not okay, like Great Cave Offensive, but for others, all it takes is someone with some clout saying "it's bad because the colours hurt my eyes" or whatever and now we have a big ole' thing to talk about and nobody's going to get what they want in the end.

F. Lobot
Jul 6, 2010

mabels big day posted:

I don't know how counterpick bans work but can't Little Macs and Ganondorfs, in tournament setting, just say no Duck Hunt for the counterpick?

It depends on how drastically it affects character balance. If there are multiple large stages with platforms that give them trouble, and they can only ban one stage, then they'll always get hosed over by the counterpick. Likewise if Duck Hunt Dog winds up being high tier, they'll probably want to ban stages that give him even more of an advantage.

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010


What's the rationale behind the regional differences in the name of the Duck Hunt character anyway?

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Roach Warehouse posted:

What's the rationale behind the regional differences in the name of the Duck Hunt character anyway?

What region does Duck Hunt change names?

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010


I'm in Australia, and they're Duck Hunt Duo. I watched some footage on a North American youtube channel and it was just Duck Hunt.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Roach Warehouse posted:

I'm in Australia, and they're Duck Hunt Duo. I watched some footage on a North American youtube channel and it was just Duck Hunt.

Doesn't make any sense. It's a trio, if anything. Duck, Dog, and Zapper Man.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Macaluso posted:

I wish they would bring back Shadow Moses Island, even if they never bring Snake back :smith:

The only thing I think Brawl did better than Smash 4 was every single thing related to Solid Snake

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

The only thing I think Brawl did better than Smash 4 was every single thing related to Solid Snake

I hate to say it, but I agree with this.

treat
Jul 24, 2008

by the sex ghost
My room mate just played this for ~30 minutes before getting an error code that barred him from playing the game, then bricked his Wii after trying to format it. :tipshat:

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

The only thing I think Brawl did better than Smash 4 was every single thing related to Solid Snake

No matter how cool Pit's Posse is, they will never beat Colonel Campbell mercilessly destroying Luigi.

Luigi? Oh, you mean the King of Second Bananas?

He seems a bit pale...probably from living in his brother's shadow

Emalde
May 3, 2007

Just a cage of bones, there's nothing inside.

I miss Ice Climbers so badly :negative:

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

treat posted:

My room mate just played this for ~30 minutes before getting an error code that barred him from playing the game, then bricked his Wii after trying to format it. :tipshat:

Apparently that's a problem with some Wii Us.

Cicadas!
Oct 27, 2010


DoctorWhat posted:

Apparently that's a problem with some Wii Us.

Do we know which Wii Us? I've been holding off even powering mine on until more information surfaced, but the reports seem to be mixed at best. Is there a handy infodump somewhere that explains everything?
I really want to smash some bros :(

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Cicadas! posted:

Do we know which Wii Us? I've been holding off even powering mine on until more information surfaced, but the reports seem to be mixed at best. Is there a handy infodump somewhere that explains everything?
I really want to smash some bros :(

Some newer ones. Launch models like mine seem to be unafflicted. I'd wager it has to do with some faults in some production runs of the flash memory, based on the error occuring when going into Data Management,

Cicadas!
Oct 27, 2010


DoctorWhat posted:

Some newer ones. Launch models like mine seem to be unafflicted. I'd wager it has to do with some faults in some production runs of the flash memory, based on the error occuring when going into Data Management,

Newer ones, huh? Mine's not exactly launch, but I've had it for quite a while. Is there a rough timeline of when this started happening?
Thanks for the answers also, sorry for grilling you like this.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Moltrey posted:

No matter how cool Pit's Posse is, they will never beat Colonel Campbell mercilessly destroying Luigi.

Luigi? Oh, you mean the King of Second Bananas?

He seems a bit pale...probably from living in his brother's shadow

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl_Codec_conversations

A Nintendo game will never have voice acted conversations this good ever again

OTACON. THERE'S A CHIMPANZEE HERE WEARING A NINTENDO HAT.

He sounds so panicked when he says it. It's funny because he plays it completely straight too. I guess Megaman and Pac Man fit Smash better but Snake was the most excited a Smash announcement ever made me.

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

I played Brawl and never knew about the Snake chats until fairly recently. Can anyone recommend a good YouTube compilation? I don't want to miss anything if they are good.

Trash Boat
Dec 28, 2012

VROOM VROOM

the truth posted:

I played Brawl and never knew about the Snake chats until fairly recently. Can anyone recommend a good YouTube compilation? I don't want to miss anything if they are good.

Here you go, along with time codes to each individual character.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

DoctorWhat posted:

Apparently that's a problem with some Wii Us.

So does it only affect people who go online? I won't brick my console if I stay offline, will I? I think that's the case, but I'd like confirmation.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Cialis Railman posted:

So does it only affect people who go online? I won't brick my console if I stay offline, will I? I think that's the case, but I'd like confirmation.

Nope, it's a manufacturing problem, and there's nothing you can do to prevent it if it'll happen. It's a bad batch of flash memory, based on the symptoms. Go online all you like, or don't, but nothing can affect your chances of a brick. Better off finding out sooner, rather than later!

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

The Luigi one gets really weird at the end.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

DoctorWhat posted:

Nope, it's a manufacturing problem, and there's nothing you can do to prevent it if it'll happen. It's a bad batch of flash memory, based on the symptoms. Go online all you like, or don't, but nothing can affect your chances of a brick. Better off finding out sooner, rather than later!

...Well that's poo poo

Why did it suddenly happen with this latest patch?

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

...Well that's poo poo

Why did it suddenly happen with this latest patch?

It wasn't the content of the patch, it was the patching PROCESS triggering pre-existing flaws in the flash memory. For most new Wii U owners (who are most likely to have Wii Us from this recent bad batch), this is just their first gaming/patching experience on the hardware. Similar errors date back over a year from defective consoles, same error code and everything.

Cat Machine
Jun 18, 2008

That's what they get for taking two years to buy The Best Console of This Generation, the Wii U :cool:

Folt The Bolt
Feb 21, 2012

Nothing exciting to see here. Move along.
Yes, I know, Smash Wii U came out and there's technically no need to post this, but this Sakurai Miiverse post kicks rear end!

And makes me want that trophy even more!

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Folt The Bolt posted:

Yes, I know, Smash Wii U came out and there's technically no need to post this, but this Sakurai Miiverse post kicks rear end!

And makes me want that trophy even more!

That's awesome. BTW I'm sure people noticed this but if you pause on the Duck Hunt stage and try to rotate the camera your character is actually flat and you are behind a CRT. It's awesome.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax

treat posted:

My room mate just played this for ~30 minutes before getting an error code that barred him from playing the game, then bricked his Wii after trying to format it. :tipshat:

An error code? Oh poo poo! I need to immediately format my system!

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Folt The Bolt posted:

Yes, I know, Smash Wii U came out and there's technically no need to post this, but this Sakurai Miiverse post kicks rear end!

And makes me want that trophy even more!

Wow you go big guy!

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Folt The Bolt posted:

Yes, I know, Smash Wii U came out and there's technically no need to post this, but this Sakurai Miiverse post kicks rear end!

And makes me want that trophy even more!

I got that one yesterday, it's wonderful and so is the description.

Basically this game's first objective is get every trophy because every trophy is wonderful. Fighting comes a distant second.

Wild Knight
Mar 27, 2010

Foul villain! I do not flee. I will never turn my back on you and run away!

[he says, running away]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FuMYjDvlOU

xander mobus, national treasure

Capsaicin
Nov 17, 2004

broof roof roof
Can we talk about Pac Man? I've been playing him a lot lately and he's just so -fun-. He has a lot of different options to use.

Here's what I've gathered so far.

1. There should always be a fire hydrant somewhere on the screen.

2. Your best options for fruit are Key, Apple, Melon, and Orange.

3. His dash attack is one of the best in the game. You can immediately go into a neutral-A combo after the attack if an enemy blocks it.

4. His grab is one of the worst in the game.

5. If you're far away and using his Up-B to get back on the stage, wait until the third bounce before trying to move.

Any Pro-Pac-Points (PPP) that we should know?

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sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...




This is awful.

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