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Bolange posted:Take a look at the pdf manual on the Elektron site. In appendix C it discusses the CV options and on page 4 it says: This is literally what I plan on doing with routing the MS-20 into it, basically make the two synth 100% integrated. One thing that I'm curious about, I know the A4 has 4 voices but can you stack 2-3 of them onto 1 track? Basically what I want to run is 3 voices stacked on track 1, fourth voice on track 2, MS-20 in on track 3, CV on track 4, and CV on track 5 with track 6 as whatever else.
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drunk warning, clear answers not until morning but here we go A4 dedicated clock out->use the DINsync out, doesn't 'waste' a CV out, you can have it drive a DIN aware masterclock like Pam's or just AND it to the RUN pin then out to your dividers/whatever. FX track isn't like on the MnM in that it's not really driving the FX, that is to say if you mute the FX track you're not muting the FX sends, you're just muting the trigs on the track. It's also unlike the MnM in that it's always live, no need to trig the 'vca' to get it going. My typical use is cv/gate on CV track and cv/gate on the FX. If you'd like to affect the FX you've still got the LFOs, trigless trigs, or just plocks on regular trigs. Just remember any non-trigless trig will swing the gate if a track is following that track. Polyphony is well featured but not fine grained. You can do all the classic analog poly tricks, unison, roundrobin, replace, reset, either with the driving tracks' patch or while keeping each individual tracks' patch. By not fine grained I mean that you allot a voice to the polyphony pool and that's it. Multitimbrality is there as long as there's a voice left to steal, whatever sequencer track is playing or whatever MIDI channel you're on is the voice that you're playing. You can configure multimaps to sneak around that-ish but it's really only suited for drums imo. Where it excels is when you're not trying to get too wacky I think. You can very quickly copy a patch to 3 or 4 channels, tweak each slightly, set it for 'track sound' and roundrobin and pretend you're playing a Four Voice. A4 vs MnM, I love the MnM and I still think it's tough to beat. It puts out better bass than the A4 all day. I do miss the modern niceties afforded by new version of the sequencer, and FX sends on every track but I'd never get rid of mine. A Winner is Jew posted:One thing that I'm curious about, I know the A4 has 4 voices but can you stack 2-3 of them onto 1 track? Basically what I want to run is 3 voices stacked on track 1, fourth voice on track 2, MS-20 in on track 3, CV on track 4, and CV on track 5 with track 6 as whatever else. It does not sequence MIDI. With voices 1-3 in the polypool you can have polyphonic sequences on Track 1. CV1/2/3/4 can be assigned to any of the six sequencer tracks, so you could do cv/gate on track 4, feed the MS20 into voice 4's ins with the oscillator off (or not) and then have two CVs to play with the FX and CV.
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Bolange posted:Take a look at the pdf manual on the Elektron site. In appendix C it discusses the CV options and on page 4 it says: Cool, the manual gives pretty good idea of how I can sequence this stuff out. Seems pretty flexible to work with, so it's really tempting, especially given the sale right now. Startyde posted:drunk warning, clear answers not until morning but here we go Yep, that makes sense here, thanks for the clarification. I've already done the low-budget version of clocking via MIDI with hard panning a ping on the ER-1, and once get around to building the hexinverter MIDI-CV converter module it does clock out as well. Good to hear on the FX channel as well. I've got a decent set of VCOs, clock dividers and general signal path, but I'm lacking in the sequencing and effects territory, so I'm looking at the A4 to fill the gap where I'd have to drop cash on a Renee or Metropolis, an Erbe-Verbe and a delay. Makes the A4 really tempting.
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It's live! https://futureperfectchristmas.bandcamp.com/album/futureperfect-christmas-2014   
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Thanks for all your work on this man!
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I hadn't listened to any of these yet. My god do we have a hosed up idea of Christmas
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Hey Dotcom, can you add my Soundcloud to my part of the liner notes? I added it in my previous post as an edit.
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VoodooXT posted:Hey Dotcom, can you add my Soundcloud to my part of the liner notes? I added it in my previous post as an edit. Deal. If anyone has other edits to send my way, send them my way! Also remember, please share this announcement about the album release. Post it on Facebook, Twitter, a flyer on a telephone pole, on your dog, let's get people to see it! Dotcom Jillionaire fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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sick. bought it, posted about it, now waiting for the tshirt
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I've now listened to this thing several times through and I'm honestly stunned that it feels like an album. Not just a compilation, but a coherent whole that flows really well. I'm sure the mastering helps with that, well done, Dotcom! And great job everyone else, too, I think we might've knocked it outta the park here.
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Dotcom Jillionaire posted:It's live! Unfortunately work has sucked today so it's been hard to sit down and actually listen to it all, but I finally have and it's all really great stuff so good work all around, especially Dotcom for coming up with the idea and putting it all together. Hopefully it wasn't too much work for you since it was a fun exercise and I'd love to do it again next year.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Hopefully it wasn't too much work for you since it was a fun exercise and I'd love to do it again next year. Can we do that "Boner Jamz" synthgoon porn music compilation?
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VoodooXT posted:Can we do that "Boner Jamz" synthgoon porn music compilation? I have dibs on "Robot Cakefarts"
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I still really dig that Aphex Twinks joke.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Unfortunately work has sucked today so it's been hard to sit down and actually listen to it all, but I finally have and it's all really great stuff so good work all around, especially Dotcom for coming up with the idea and putting it all together. I had the free time enough to coordinate it this year. I'd be down to do it all again next year as well
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VoodooXT posted:Can we do that "Boner Jamz" synthgoon porn music compilation? I would contribute to this, got lots of cheesy digital synths
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VoodooXT posted:Can we do that "Boner Jamz" synthgoon porn music compilation? Pretty sure everyone that made a track for it would have to buy this first.  Which I am totally down with.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Dotcom for coming up with the idea Hehem
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A Winner is Jew posted:Pretty sure everyone that made a track for it would have to buy this first.   I completely sampled it up and down because gently caress dealing with no MIDI input. It's too heavy to ship anywhere or I'd give it away for free to anyone who cared even a little.
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:I've now listened to this thing several times through and I'm honestly stunned that it feels like an album. Not just a compilation, but a coherent whole that flows really well. I'm sure the mastering helps with that, well done, Dotcom! And great job everyone else, too, I think we might've knocked it outta the park here. I totally agree. It sounds surprisingly cohesive as an album! I'm digging both of Scatterfold's tracks hard. Dotcom, what kind of processing did you do with the master if you don't mind me asking?
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Bought! Great job, guys. Really digging it so far.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Pretty sure everyone that made a track for it would have to buy this first. I planned on buying one before I suggested "Boner Jamz".
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SineRider posted:...I'm digging both of Scatterfold's tracks hard. you're v kind  if you want both & two other tracks as a separate ep they're free hereout of interest dotcom, did you apply some serious noise reduction to my 2 tracks? Scatterfold fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Flipperwaldt posted:Not while I have this piece of garbage in the attic somewhere: uuuuuuuhhhhhhh you don't happen to live on the west coast, do you? Cause I would take a grand roadtrip for that piece of sex.
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Mrwimmer posted:uuuuuuuhhhhhhh you don't happen to live on the west coast, do you? Cause I would take a grand roadtrip for that piece of sex.
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Reminds me, I guess it's too late now, but I -really- would've liked the compilation tracks to state the artist's country. If it's not too late, could you also change mine to read Rid Labs instead of my forum name? and, I guess, add "made with an ensoniq mr RACK dedicated to robots and booze" in the dedication section.
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By hugenamimous decision, the next SYNTH CHALLENGE is bonerjamz. Fitting with holiday submission deadlinez, it workz out well as saint valenitinez day is coming up basically when everyone, if they start now, will be done with their trackz. Theme's pretty easy to grok on, it is gently caress, as in, songz to gently caress to, songz to get you into the mood to gently caress, songz about loving, songz about the deep shackling horror of needing to work a horrible unfulfilling job for the rest of your life any hope of attaining your dreamz lost because you had a kid as a result of loving, songz about all those girlz in undergrad who wouldn't let you gently caress them. Thingz like that. I would like to add one caveat to the theme, as romance is an almost inextractable part of loving and, as no decade was more romantic than the 1980'z, your bonerjamz should be '80'z influenced, in gear choice or style. This putz some pretty good musical genres on the table, synth pop, italio disco italio, chiptunez, elctro and some pretty horrible genrez like synth pop, ragga and synth pop. It also putz some pretty kickass gear on the table from your czz to your dx-7z to your junoz to your c64z to your puddin popz. I mean, c'mon, what is like more candlez and satin than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx51eegLTY8 What could open a women's legs more than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV-Q1pFuqLk What getz closer to the contentz of a woman's heart? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij4c-z14KmU or a gay boy's heart? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uttV1VZUgQQ or his junk? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BRhuVUanGE or a nerd's heart? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIgdBCmFbsM Guess we should probably do the same thing as the winter album as that seemed to motivate you lazy fuckz, tehschulman style with a charity and a bandcamp page and artwork and poo poo. There are few certaintiez, death, taxez, bonerz and a deadline of somewhere around 2/14/2015 (guess about two weeks earlier to allow for mastering and assembelage). Sizone fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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all bonerz, all jamz Requesting that the cover art be like the old Strictly House grafitti font but except that it says Strictly Bonerz.
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I'm probably in with something, though as usual it'll take some heavy shoehorning and lateral thinking to make it fit the theme. And just let me be that one dick who says he doesn't like what happened to his track in mastering this time. Lots of foreground poo poo got pushed into the background. I get why -that whole midrange was pretty unruly- but the solution chosen isn't exactly subtle. It's fine though. I think I just should spend a little more time on the mix myself next time so it isn't up to the mastering dude to fix it to the degree that was necessary this time.
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Flipperwaldt posted:I guess Belgium can be considered to be on the west coast of Europe or something. Awwww, oh well. Boner Jamz though? I'm gonna have to do something for that. I've relegated my Shruthi to being a box that only does FM slap bass, so I might as well get some use out of that.
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renderful posted:I'm about to lose my mind to this ympektid track. Also Sizone's synth crickets and the loving rinse by ten fingers ten toes... Insane all of it I really want someone to add vocals to the ympektid track! Reminds me of dancing nights away to Covenant in the late 90s/early00's.... Thanks about the rinse. I really wanted to keep going but I honestly got to that point, dumped it to wav, wetransferred it, then hopped in a car and drove 1300 miles for Thanksgiving haha. There's probably another 2-3 minutes of inspiration left in there somewhere.
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Song challenge accepted. I guess it's time to do something with the Streichfett besides reflexively alternating playing the Clockwork Orange theme and Alphaville over and over. As a quickie review, the best way to describe it is a smoothie of string machines; it has the flavor of all of them, but you're never gonna extract a specific one from the blend. Not really a module for micromanagers of parameters or people looking to coax weird sounds from it, since there's not much fine control, but if you're looking for a fake string section that fills a room, it's awesome.
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I'll give a little insight into the albuming process and some thoughts on what we could improve on for future projects. I'm really glad that everyone likes the final product so much though! I spent a modest amount of time on getting all the material to play nicely together and to test the audio out in a few different environments. Honestly though a lot of it just came together due to the quality and awesomeness of the submitted tracks. Because we had an albums worth of tracks and they were all so dynamic and different it only made sense to arrange them like you would an album or mixtape. I've made a lot of mixes in my day and I do a bit of DJing so I applied some that to sorting the tracks. Having an ebb and flow to the music is important, bringing up the mood and then bringing it down. Having a strong few intro tracks and lush stuff in the middle and end of the record is key in my opinion. Lunta felt like the right choice for an intro track because of the simple tone in the beginning that builds up into a catchy synth pattern (and that it's a catchy song all the way through). Bringing in Flipperwaldt's tracks afterwards was also a no brainer because it's really driving and has a similar theme and tone to Lunta. Then we bring things down a smidge with Halcyon Days. I didn't want to stack Winner Is Jew's tracks and Scatterfold's tracks too closely together because it would sound weird and it would push other people's entries further down the track list, but Halcyon Days makes a great lead in to Scatterfold's deep house track. I listen to/DJ/attempt to procude a lot of deep house so I felt right at home working on Scatterfold's stuff. After getting deep, we mellow out a bit with House Lights Drunk Walk and then descend into some epic synth sounds on Her Cold Embrace.(there's a lot of gravity on this track!). Toadee's loud as heck drum and bass track worked perfectly as an uptempo song to bring in next, especially because it starts out so mellow and then hits you over the head with holiday cheer. I think that track was a runner up for intro track on the album but it was better to save the intensity for the middle of the album. Because I'm forced to listen to these tracks over and over when I'm mastering I actually think I ended up liking mofotopo's Disco Twirl the most off record just because it's so different and it has some cheery Christmas melodies going on. Kind of reminded me of if someone threw their annual office Christmas party in an elevator  . Then we have my little modular ditty. I think I actually used my Virus C for the sound on track but don't tell anybody.The there's more deep stuff from Scatterfold. I actually really hosed this track up the first time I went to master it but I'll get into that in a minute. Then we break out of the k-hole with ymptekid's track (which I really like the stabby melody on and it also keeps things driving as we get to the end of the record). Next is Sizone's abstract modular (I assume) piece which I kind of felt like is something the Beatles would have done during their White Album phase if they had some modern Euroracks and some acid. Then we close things out with another awesome track from Winner is Jew and then a great emotional post-rocky tune from SineRider. It kind of reminded me a bit of GYBE!, though like an intro to one of their songs. I listen to a lot of post rock so I was very glad to have a track like this to master. Then yes, a hidden track at the end which I did. I hoped to turn this into a more developed piece with some Little Drummer Boy type drums but I ran out of time and just decided to slap it on the end on the record. Kind of had a nice Board of Canada vibe to it. Anyway, as for the mastering, I attempted to do some fancy signal chain stuff, running some tracks through light effects and stereo enhancement and such but I would have had to figure out different routings for every single track and it would have been too much of a pain. I settled for a much more basic approach, I ran audio from my interface (MOTU Ultralite) into my mixer (Mackie LM3204), and back into the Ultralite. Most of the mastering was done in CueMixFX, changing gain levels to bring all the tracks to roughly the same volume, playing with some stereo enhancements, and adding some individual EQ to each track. My goal was to get everything sounding coherent, like it belonged together despite it all coming from different sources. I didn't want to screw with anyone else's work either so when I approached the EQing I tried to emphasize drum elements a little more if the track lent itself to that, slightly reduce frequencies that were clipping during gain staging, remove really noticeable noise, just general tweaks. On Scatterfold's tracks the noisiness of the compression is kind of the charm, I might have put some high pass filtering on there because the noise really came out as I added gain. I mostly tried to bass up the drums a little and add some emphasis on the higher register synth stuff. Very light touches. Anything else (which I tried) muddied everything up too much. On Flipperwaldt's track I remember brining up the lead synth sounds a bit and adding some drum punch. I also tried to bring out some of the mid range acidy sound but I did it in a weird way since some of the frequencies in the lead were clipping around those frequencies. I liked how it turned out but if I could go back and do it though I would probably leave most of that alone and focus on the drum and chord punch. On Her Cold Embrace and SineRider's track I had some fun emphasizing the high frequency stuff. There's a lot of bells on Her Cold Embrace which I wanted to draw out in the mix more and that worked nicely. Since I am a big post-rock fan and listen to a ton of it I knew what kind of shimmer to SineRider's track (bringing the ethereal reverb sounds out more, but only some of them). On toadee's track and ympektid's tracks the drums were important, bringing out kick and snare. Toadee's track was awesome but with the huge drum and bass barrage I might had made some compromises on the gain staging. Sizone's track and mofotopo's tracks were loud enough to begin with and each had their own unique sound to begin with so I don't remember having to tweak those much. All the other tracks just pretty much fell into place! I'm a little miffed that I couldn't bring each track up as loud as I had hoped. A/Bing between these tracks and professionally recorded stuff left a lot to be desired (in terms of volume and headroom) but next time we'll just all come together in a professional studio with tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment and master them in the same session and it'll come out like an actual studio album .For the next album, being able to master everything through the same equipment is important but it's also important that the source material share some reference points (volume, EQ, light mixdown vs heavy mixdown). We could either approach the tracks as mixed exclusively for an album (which would be more work intensive but have a better overall vibe) or continue with the compilation format (less time intensive but less coherent sounding as an album). I've love to see a couple of this type of album come out every year centered around different holiday themes or seasonal themes, if everyone has the time and creative energy that is. While the artists should still be the stars of their individual work it wouldn't be too far off to maybe put together a record label to center these released and the musical material around. Dotcom Jillionaire fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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It would probably have helped if I could mix properly at all. I just can't ever be bothered. My monitoring situation is real bad (Behringer Truth's sitting on top of a desk with a big empty area underneath it in an eclectically furnished 100 year old house with plaster walls and hardwood floors and no acoustic treatment), but honestly, I basically spend about 5 minutes mixing before going 'eh fuckit' and playing with more fart noises. Because farts. Fun fact: those load as heck DnB drum samples were from .it files posted in the 90s by none other than Bogdan Raczynski (then just 'bogdan of n.o.i.s.e.'). Trackers forever.
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renderful posted:I'm about to lose my mind to this ympektid track. Also Sizone's synth crickets and the loving rinse by ten fingers ten toes... Insane all of it toadee posted:I really want someone to add vocals to the ympektid track! Reminds me of dancing nights away to Covenant in the late 90s/early00's.... Thanks, guys. I appreciate the positive feedback on that track - I'm sure you know how that "gently caress, is this good? I think it's good" feeling goes.  I am basically loving this entire compilation - especially the Bell Labs / Desert M / tftt / Flipperwaldt tracks. Dotcom, you did a fantastic job. Thanks a million for organizing and mastering and publishing and all the stuffs. D.J., for the next one, let's get everyone to do stems - it'll get us 80% of the way to all in the same room if we can at least have a single person mix, and a single person master. I'll volunteer to mix stems if you'll master again, you did a great job on this. (comedy option: I think Mr. Jillionaire still has me on ignore so he won't get this  )
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sofullofhate posted:especially the Bell Labs / Desert M / tftt / Flipperwaldt tracks. Dotcom, you did a fantastic job. Yes
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I'm actually shocked you didn't really touch anything of mine (or at least didn't mention it) since I literally mix my stuff looking at the clipping monitor in my DAW while using a pair of cheep "studio" headphones I got in a packaged deal with my MS-20 gauging what sounds right at what level by ear and do a final test using an older set of ipod headphones just to make sure everything sounds right on a different set of speakers. After that I'll do a "pre-mastering" export to .wav and run that through the Kramer Tape plugin until I get the final song sounding exactly the way I want it to because that plugin is loving magical. One track I went back and used that plugin on the high hats since I found a setting that made them sound amazing but the rest of the track like poo poo so I loaded up the original file, isolated the HH on their own track and did a re-pre-master then went back to getting the final sound right. I've found the whole process takes about 2 hours which seems long but I use it as a test since if I can't make it through listening to my own poo poo for that long I shouldn't put it out there. A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dotcom Jillionaire posted:On Flipperwaldt's track I remember brining up the lead synth sounds a bit and adding some drum punch. I also tried to bring out some of the mid range acidy sound but I did it in a weird way since some of the frequencies in the lead were clipping around those frequencies. I liked how it turned out but if I could go back and do it though I would probably leave most of that alone and focus on the drum and chord punch. Dotcom Jillionaire posted:I mostly tried to bass up the drums a little and add some emphasis on the higher register synth stuff. [...] bringing up the lead synth sounds a bit [...] tried to bring out some of the mid range acidy sound [...] had some fun emphasizing the high frequency stuff. There's a lot of bells on Her Cold Embrace which I wanted to draw out in the mix [...] bringing out kick and snare. Dotcom Jillionaire posted:For the next album, being able to master everything through the same equipment is important but it's also important that the source material share some reference points (volume, EQ, light mixdown vs heavy mixdown). We could either approach the tracks as mixed exclusively for an album (which would be more work intensive but have a better overall vibe) or continue with the compilation format (less time intensive but less coherent sounding as an album). I've love to see a couple of this type of album come out every year centered around different holiday themes or seasonal themes, if everyone has the time and creative energy that is. While the artists should still be the stars of their individual work it wouldn't be too far off to maybe put together a record label to center these released and the musical material around. Scope creep, it's a nasty thing, man. I'm definitely not saying I would have done a better job. But stereo enhancement? Really? On the whole track? Did any of the tracks even have a problem with that in the first place? I'm sure I'm being a diva to some degree, but I honestly feel there are points that were worth addressing underneath that.
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