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Let's talk about devil deal chances and how damage affects it. 1) Does soul heart damage count if a character doesn't have any red heart containers? 2) Is Blue Baby different? 3) Does damage from room hazards count (curse rooms, spikes etc)? I think yes. 4) Does damage from self-harm sources (blood banks, IV Bag, Razor? Blood Rights?) count? I think not. 5) Does killing the boss without taking damage increase the chance? I think yes. Is red/soul damage different here?
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Dec 3, 2014 20:03
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For a balanced devil deal, picking up Dark Bum should give you three empty heart containers, and take a red heart away from you. 
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Dec 3, 2014 20:04
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omeg posted:Let's talk about devil deal chances and how damage affects it. Correct for all of the above, as far as I can recall. Your chance to find a devil room is decreased if you take red heart damage during the level. It is decreased further if you take red heart damage during the boss (if you only take red heart damage during the boss then it applies both, not just the boss one). If you lose red hearts through something that takes red hearts preferentially (blood banks, etc) then that's not a problem.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:06
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As for 1, definitely not. Play Azazel or ???, you're pretty much guaranteed to see a Devil Room on the second floor. That's at least my experience.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:08
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The Devil Room only cares about red heart damage, even if you have no heart containers. So Blue Baby always qualifies that way. The chance to see a Devil/Angel room is quartered if you entered one in the previous level, and halved if you entered one two levels ago. However, I think having the Goat Head trumps the reduction, and having the Book of Belial seems to guarantee a Devil/Angel Room.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:14
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borf posted:Can your damage keep increasing after hitting the visible stat cap? Very yes. The bars are only about 2 damage each and there are combos that do hundreds.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:20
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IMJack posted:The Devil Room only cares about red heart damage, even if you have no heart containers. So Blue Baby always qualifies that way. So with Angel rooms is it better to just ignore the devil room when it appears to avoid the reduced chance on the next floor or do you actually have to enter and leave the devil room to increase your Angel room odds?
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Dec 3, 2014 20:22
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Here is a thing that is linked in the OPquote:*The chance of finding a Devil/God room without any modifiers is a flat 1%.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:28
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Brosnan posted:Here is a thing that is linked in the OP Ok that only applies for someone looking for either, though. I'm specifically trying to maximize my odds of finding Angel rooms. It also doesn't mention the various ways the game decides which to give you, one of which is whether you've turned down a devil deal at some point. My question was whether ignoring the devil room counts as doing so, or whether you have to enter then leave.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:33
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PantsBandit posted:So with Angel rooms is it better to just ignore the devil room when it appears to avoid the reduced chance on the next floor or do you actually have to enter and leave the devil room to increase your Angel room odds? You get the reduced chance as soon as the room spawns, whether you enter it or not. The angel room chance only cares whether you make a deal with the devil. You can enter the room, pick up some black hearts, get an item from a red chest, etc., as long as you don't actually trade your health away. I'm not sure how this interacts with the credit card.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:34
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borf posted:Can your damage keep increasing after hitting the visible stat cap? Yes, range and damage do not have caps as far as I know, not counting what all items in the game combined can give you. Brosnan posted:Here is a thing that is linked in the OP That list is how it worked in the original (which I am guilty of quoting myself), The Book of Belial now guarantees a devil room, and the Book of Revelations may have lost it's bonus. As far as we know the damage rules still apply though. AndroidHub fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Dec 3, 2014 20:37
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AndroidHub posted:Yes, range and damage do not have caps as far as I know, not counting what all items in the game combined can give you. Cool. Was mainly wondering if it's worth dropping stuff like Book of Belial after hitting the cap, but if it's still beneficial then go nuts on damage I shall.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:39
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I guess strictly speaking you can even raise it beyond what all the items in the game can give you with the razor blade + infinite health setups (and a few other items), once the size of your tears has gone beyond the size of the screen though there's no way to really gauge your damage, also your tears would be one shotting anything that exists in the game at this point so  .
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Dec 3, 2014 20:47
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:You get the reduced chance as soon as the room spawns, whether you enter it or not. The angel room chance only cares whether you make a deal with the devil. You can enter the room, pick up some black hearts, get an item from a red chest, etc., as long as you don't actually trade your health away. Ah, ok guess that simplifies things. Yeah when I was googling around about this people had all sorts of crazy ideas about angel rooms, saying that stuff like bombing corpses, picking up black hearts, bombing beggars, etc would all hurt your chances of finding them. I guess I've been overcomplicating it for myself. senae posted:There's also now the evil/faith hidden stat which apparently impacts what room you get. Yeah I think that's what people are talking about but nobody seems to know exactly how it functions haha. PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Dec 3, 2014 20:48
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AndroidHub posted:That list is how it worked in the original (which I am guilty of quoting myself), The Book of Belial now guarantees a devil room, and the Book of Revelations may have lost it's bonus. As far as we know the damage rules still apply though. There's also now the evil/faith hidden stat which apparently impacts what room you get.
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Dec 3, 2014 20:52
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Does anyone know if the edplusdanielle shop is opening back up soon? I was hoping to get something for someone for Xmas off of there. Doesn't seem to be any news on the site itself.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:01
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???'s Only Friend is such a great item, because you can use it to cheese fights just like with Ludo, but without giving up your death-hose of tears for when things charge at you.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:07
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:You get the reduced chance as soon as the room spawns, whether you enter it or not. The angel room chance only cares whether you make a deal with the devil. You can enter the room, pick up some black hearts, get an item from a red chest, etc., as long as you don't actually trade your health away. I've tested with a credit card + goats head and gotten an Angel Room directly after using the credit card on the devil deal. The ONLY thing that gives you sin/disqualifies you from Angel Rooms is actually PAYING Satan. You can take anything he gives you for free, or charge it all on Mom's card and God doesn't care. Also, beating Krampus counts as "turning down the devil" even if you take his item (which you always should unless he drops his head and you have a better spacebar item). So if you see Krampus on the second floor, you're pretty likely to get an Angel Room on floor 3 provided you avoid red heart damage. Alkydere fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Dec 3, 2014 21:37
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 Man even my Isaac is just like "oh gee thanks".
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Dec 3, 2014 21:37
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I wish Steam Sale also guaranteed a shop on the next floor or something. It sucks getting it Womb or later.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:59
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The expansion boss (or one of them) should be God himself. After all he is the one who told mom to kill Isaac.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:11
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Oxyclean posted:The expansion boss (or one of them) should be God himself. After all he is the one who told mom to kill Isaac. I thought it was implied that it was Satan masquerading as God who did that.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:15
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Oxyclean posted:The expansion boss (or one of them) should be God himself. After all he is the one who told mom to kill Isaac. The thing is I feel like it should be a hopeless fight, since God being omnipotent and poo poo is kind of a central tenet.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:16
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LaughMyselfTo posted:The thing is I feel like it should be a hopeless fight, since God being omnipotent and poo poo is kind of a central tenet. This is game where you poop fire tears on Satan and he dies. I don't think anyone cares about central tenets. I figure an expansion would either include lots of alternate bosses, new alternate floors, or yeah, it'd include God or something which you can reach by defeating Mega Satan from either path.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:19
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I don't care if it doesn't fit with the plot or story, I want to be able to kill God with eye lasers dammit.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:25
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CJacobs posted:I don't care if it doesn't fit with the plot or story, I want to be able to kill God with
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Dec 3, 2014 22:32
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AnonSpore posted:I thought it was implied that it was Satan masquerading as God who did that. Where was this implied?  Also, I agree that God is a logical expansion boss. The last expansion was all about the undead versions of previous bosses/enemies and such, it would be neat to have a "holy" version as well.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:36
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I'm sorry, I'm just laughing my rear end off at the idea of entering a boss fight, discovering that you're going up against God, and promptly being killed in an empty room by a white beam from heaven.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:38
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Holy Monstro III that barfs a ton of seeking tears 
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Dec 3, 2014 22:48
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Black August posted:This is game where you poop fire tears on Satan and he dies. I don't think anyone cares about central tenets. Yeah, I get the feeling that a lot of the "story" is just Isaac as a little kid writing a self-insert story as he sits in the corner with his crayons. "And then I opened my mouth to shoot brimstone lasers at Mega Satan, which killed him and ended evil forever and Mom loved me again."
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Dec 3, 2014 22:51
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Isaac's mom isn't real. 
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Dec 3, 2014 22:53
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All the holy bosses would have to be crazy poo poo like the Ophanim, the angel that's a pair of nested chariot wheels covered in eyes.
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Dec 3, 2014 22:53
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Fortis posted:All the holy bosses would have to be crazy poo poo like the Ophanim, the angel that's a pair of nested chariot wheels covered in eyes. Fistula/Teratoma descendant that ultimately decays into the white bomb worms. Bam, done.
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Dec 3, 2014 23:06
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Every time I get a good winning streak going it gets ruined by a floor one Haunt. gently caress that rear end in a top hat forever 
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Dec 3, 2014 23:16
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i had d100 roll me something that could not fire. either that or the range and damage was so weak i literally couldnt see it
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Dec 3, 2014 23:20
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Scythes + Tiny Planet + Monstro's Lung + idontevenknow   ...and after taking Ludovico:  Then D4 ruined me because of item pool exhaustion.
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Dec 4, 2014 00:09
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omeg posted:Scythes + Tiny Planet + Monstro's Lung + idontevenknow The tear shadows on the floor...
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Dec 4, 2014 00:19
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omeg posted:Someone has posted a tool that extracts seeds from the game log, care to post again? I can't find it and could use that. I reuploaded it here: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=47094649014585974405
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Dec 4, 2014 00:23
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CaptainWinky posted:I reuploaded it here: Thanks! Log from that BASEMENT run: http://pastebin.com/80xMsVg0 
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Davincie posted:i had d100 roll me something that could not fire. either that or the range and damage was so weak i literally couldnt see it Maybe you just got a charge attack and a billion tears down items so it would take forever to charge.
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