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Since the shipping fees are generally calculated during the KS drive and not whenever fulfillment happens to be, the new system doesn't really help if there is another massive fee hike. It does reduce the clutter of multi-national pledge tiers though, which is good. It's a good system, for what it can be. It's just going to take a bit of time for me to get over the 'surprise' of fees attached after the fact. I admit, it's wholly irrational on my part.
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I very much like Jeff Brown's work. This was just the thing to tip me over the edge. Backed!
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Yay! Kickstarter has a new lovely design. Since when did frames become a thing again?
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Dec 3, 2014 00:37
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What an amazing waste of a vertical inch. Holy poo poo.
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Dec 3, 2014 01:09
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I like how it moves the BACK THIS PROJECT button halfway up if you aren't fully scrolled past the upper frame.
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Dec 3, 2014 02:53
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I thought I had accidentally gone to Paypal when I clicked it because the page that loads until you scroll down is literally Paypal's login page
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Dec 3, 2014 03:32
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Paranoia just got the new edition successfully funded. Glad to see they're still making new versions!
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Sgt. Anime Pederast posted:Paranoia just got the new edition successfully funded. Glad to see they're still making new versions! Too bad it looks like absolute poo poo. Because what I wanted from Paranoia was some early 00's Steve Jackson Games quality art and humor grafted into it along with a promise to "update" it to make it about terrorists instead of 1984/Brazil style mind control regimes. The new edition seriously feels like they decided to just inject Paranoia with a massive unneeded dose of 2000AD for no real reason.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Too bad it looks like absolute poo poo. Because what I wanted from Paranoia was some early 00's Steve Jackson Games quality art and humor grafted into it along with a promise to "update" it to make it about terrorists instead of 1984/Brazil style mind control regimes. The new edition seriously feels like they decided to just inject Paranoia with a massive unneeded dose of 2000AD for no real reason. I like the idea of the in game achievements and xp to have even more ways to get people to kill each other. The terrorists thing sounds pretty dumb true, and god knows art has never been paranoias strong point. Have not seen the art yet, but some of the art in previous editions was so horrid I doubt it could be as bad. It's also got to be better than fifth edition, right? Regardless, I hope it isn't poo poo. I would like to buy it one day. Jarvisi fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Sgt. Anime Pederast posted:Have not seen the art yet, but some of the art in previous editions was so horrid I doubt it could be as bad. It's also got to be better than fifth edition, right?    The art was the first warning sign.
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Dec 3, 2014 13:12
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Holy poo poo that's bad.
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Dec 3, 2014 13:30
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Try to do the pointing-up gesture in the last pic without breaking your wrist.
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Dec 3, 2014 15:09
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Tekopo posted:Try to do the pointing-up gesture in the last pic without breaking your wrist. It's hard to do without an index finger as long as your face. That seriously looks like the art from some high school newspaper comic strip. At least Fifth Edition had some measure of stylistic consistency, awful as it was.
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Tekopo posted:Try to do the pointing-up gesture in the last pic without breaking your wrist. I just did. Something in my bicep really wants me to die now.
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I've got no trouble DOING the pose--or what I think it is. The quality of the piece makes exactly where his arm is in relation to his body. It didn't hurt*, but it's definitely not how I'd naturally go about pointing at something behind/above me. *I do have above-average flexibilty.
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He's also got some kind of freakishly long sloth arms.
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Dec 3, 2014 15:49
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For comparison, this is the original art this one's referencing. 
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Dec 3, 2014 15:53
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Well. At least it isn't traced celebrities?
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Evil Mastermind posted:For comparison, this is the original art this one's referencing. While its no masterpiece, it is so much better.
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Dec 3, 2014 16:34
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I honestly love Holloway's art, and his illustrations are a huge part of Paranoia. Like, look at the original. The caption was something along the lines of "a traitor gets a bonus to his intimidation skill". And that's what the picture shows: a very Paranoia-esque situation where the Troubleshooter puts himself in a bad position and has to deal with it quickly. Plus the facial expressions perfectly convey the mood; the traitor is smugly triumphant, and the Troubleshooter is clearly thinking "um, oops...". But in the new pic, going beyond the terrible proportions the faces are terrible. The traitor is derping pretty hard, I have no idea what the Troubleshooter's expression is supposed to be. And the nightstick coming in from off-panel completely defuses everything that makes the first picture work. It's no longer "okay, now you're in this tight situation, what do you do?", it's "nah, we got this".
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Well obviously they couldn't have a situation where the black dude comes out on top. He's gotta get beaten with a club from off-screen so we know everything is fine, and he looks so goofy so we know even with the gun in his hand and the explosives behind him he's not a threat, not really.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I honestly love Holloway's art, and his illustrations are a huge part of Paranoia. Plus the original art has most of a DANGER, Flammable warning; the new art has EXPLOSIVE, No Lasers and two explosive icons and a no lasers icon; total overkill to the point of feeling like spoon feeding and also not very realistic.
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Evil Mastermind posted:I honestly love Holloway's art, and his illustrations are a huge part of Paranoia. Also, the stickers on the tank completely distort the perspective compared to the original. Where is the tank? Are they looking down on it?
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Rulebook Heavily posted:Also, the stickers on the tank completely distort the perspective compared to the original. Where is the tank? Are they looking down on it? I'd say most of us are looking down on it. 
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Indolent Bastard posted:Plus the original art has most of a DANGER, Flammable warning; the new art has EXPLOSIVE, No Lasers and two explosive icons and a no lasers icon; total overkill to the point of feeling like spoon feeding and also not very realistic. Especially for Paranoia, where safety... is not really a major focus.
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Dec 3, 2014 17:00
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In an actual game, that yellow thing is just a pillar, painted yellow and covered in stickers, used as an insurance policy. In the new edition? I dunno, is there a card for it?
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So the 20th Anniversary edition Wraith KS has a 35$ PDF reward level. Most expensive PDF ever or what? Print is at 110$.
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Does that include stretch goals? There should be at least one eBook, and there's usually a few supplements if it goes high enough. Either way, it still doesn't touch $60 for Dark Heresy second edition.
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I think it's just the core, not sure. The Splatbooks are extra, for example.
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I checked it out, if you're backing a tier includes the Wraith 20 PDF, you'll also get the stretch eBooks. This is different than the add-on PDFs, which are previous edition PDFs offered at a discount to help raise money for the new one. I've backed some Onyx Path stuff before, and I've never been disappointed with the quality for the price. You could always wait for it to get finished and go on sale at drivethru, too. Except for the deluxe printing, everything will be available after the KS.
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Indolent Bastard posted:Plus the original art has most of a DANGER, Flammable warning; the new art has EXPLOSIVE, No Lasers and two explosive icons and a no lasers icon; total overkill to the point of feeling like spoon feeding and also not very realistic. I'm sorry, but I believe if you look closely the sign says No Lazers because z's are funnier.
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ravenkult posted:I think it's just the core, not sure. The Splatbooks are extra, for example. It'll include all the stretch goal supplements if you back up to the pdf level. Unless this is different from every other kickstarter Onyx Path has done, only the old supplements will be extra. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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The art is bad but I'm not leaping to the conclusion that this will be a zap-only fest like Fifth just yet. And putting some emphasis on terrorism over Cold War material does not strike me as an unforgivable change to a setting. They've even said the Communists still exist, and you know, satire of all things should probably be amenable to changing with the times. What's the point of a new edition that changes nothing?
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If it includes Wraith: The Great War it's totally wort it since that's one of the best supplements ever written for an RPG and somehow manages to dodge every single possible pitfall you'd imagine considering its a old school WW book about the holocaust.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:The Great War El Estrago Bonito posted:the holocaust  WtGW owns, but I don't see it in there yet. If that gets updated I'm totally in.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:If it includes Wraith: The Great War it's totally wort it since that's one of the best supplements ever written for an RPG and somehow manages to dodge every single possible pitfall you'd imagine considering its a old school WW book about the holocaust. I think you mean Charnel Houses? The Great War is WWI, which as a Wraith supplement/alt-core I seem to recall was fairly "meh". EDIT: Oh wow I didn't realize they got around to making Charnel Houses PoD. They're really chewing through that old catalogue. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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You're definitely thinking of Charnel Houses of Europe: The Shoah, which somehow managed to handle an RPG about holocaust ghosts with as much taste and dignity as is possible. The Great War was the WWI supplement, which dealt with the shadowlands fallout and the Fourth Maelstrom. Each Maelstrom corresponds to a live-world disaster that shakes up the underworld and floods it with new souls. Maxwell Lord posted:And putting some emphasis on terrorism over Cold War material does not strike me as an unforgivable change to a setting. They've even said the Communists still exist, and you know, satire of all things should probably be amenable to changing with the times. The problem is that "the Communists" were only a threat when Alpha Complex was created. Switching focus to "the Terrorists" misses that Alpha Complex was birthed at the height of Cold War, er, paranoia. Trading Communists for Terrorists doesn't work because we never built underground survival bunkers to resist terrorists - we just traded our privacy for "security." It doesn't work because part of the joke is that beloved Friend Computer is in a hyper-alert defensive state for an enemy who hasn't existed for 100+ years. The McCarthyism that drives much of Paranoia's humor falls flat reskinned for Terrorism because dem terrerests is shorthand for some extremely racist bullshit that's still getting people killed today. Alpha Complex works as a cautionary artifact, memorial of a worse time, and as a taken-to-illogical-extremes mental exercise of where jingoistic hyper-patriotism could lead.
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Also, red fear was about how commies could be anyone. Americans believe terrorists have dark skin and possibly a turban. Our national psychological defect wrt terrorism is xenophobia, not paranoia. It's literally the wrong word.
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