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Not surprised that this happened but man, did the grand jury even see the video?
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Dec 4, 2014 00:40
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This might explain the Cleveland shooting: That cop's an idiot. Maybe we need tighter psychological screenings? quote:CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice had issues with handling guns during his brief tenure with a suburban police department. ascii genitals posted:A prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, but never a whole pig. Better flow.
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Dec 4, 2014 00:48
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semper wifi posted:Not surprised that this happened but man, did the grand jury even see the video? Yes. It is clear from the video that the victim was black, and the perpetrator was white. Therefore, no crime occurred. edit: I looked back a few pages and didn't see any mention of this report. Tim Loehmann, the cop who killed Tamir Rice, resigned in disgrace from the Indepndence, OH PD because he is "dismal" with his pistol, unable to follow simple directions, and is "emotionally immature." The review also states that Loehmann was likely to completely gently caress up any stressful situation, according to his reviewing commanding officer. Of course, the Cleveland PD didn't review this assessment, because why would Cops investigate things like that before hiring cops. It isn't like cops are supposed to be professional investigators or anything. Grand Theft Autobot fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 00:49
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Just read about about the grand jury vote. quote:In anticipation of the grand-jury announcement, the New York Police Department has started preparing for large-scale protests. As police commissioner William Bratton told the press, “We have the ability to have a level of tolerance—breathing room, if you will.” God drat. Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 01:02
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Intel&Sebastian posted:"it happens to often" is not exactly at the top of the list for why Americans looked away from death and destruction in Iraq, and I really doubt the scenario you're coming up with. We're 2 high profile cases into the "no resulting punishment" and riots are being touched off. Frequency of extremely negative events does lessen their impact, replace violence in Iraq with mass shootings or major financial crimes and you get the same outcome, growing apathy. I'm also not sure if one riot, in the aftermath of an unfilmed murder by cop in a poor community is indicative of that much. A lot of white people seemed scared by the riot and given the common police tactic of attempting escalate protests into violence this may actually be a positive for the police rather than a negative. But I'm talking about the danger of ubiquitous evidence of police crimes dulling the effectiveness of cameras. Two high profile cops getting away with it (although, as this thread would attest there's a constant string of cops getting away with it going back decades) has lead to anger but the problem is, if the police keep getting away with crimes caught on film are people going to be able to stay angry, to stay motivated? Or is it just going to become another unpleasant thing that just happens?
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Dec 4, 2014 01:07
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While not certainly opposed to the general idea of the thread or saying that the police could not be better significantly, I have to say that I am strongly opposed to any kind of idea of a downhill or worsening of the abuse of authority or cops getting worse. The Police in America have never been this good, and they'll be better tomorrow. I'd say it is about the rate of improvement. Or maybe I understand your post wrong, and you imply that the publicity affects only the public reaction.
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Dec 4, 2014 01:17
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ReV VAdAUL posted:But I'm talking about the danger of ubiquitous evidence of police crimes dulling the effectiveness of cameras. Two high profile cops getting away with it (although, as this thread would attest there's a constant string of cops getting away with it going back decades) has lead to anger but the problem is, if the police keep getting away with crimes caught on film are people going to be able to stay angry, to stay motivated? Or is it just going to become another unpleasant thing that just happens? I guess we just disagree on this one. I'd rather run the risk of garbage people not caring about the police officers tasked with protecting them running rampant than hoping one out of a thousand cases get publicized. The fact is we're already experiencing this phenomenon with citizens all carrying cameras in their pockets at all times and learning that filming a police officer isn't a crime, and so far I would say the effect is positive and I see no reason why not to expand it. Putting cameras all over the loving place doesn't seem to bother the police or populace when it's protecting a business or a public space, why should we balk along with the police when their own standard is applied to them? In fact, even more than police body cameras that the police have all kinds of access to, I think a better solution is to educate and encourage everyone, everywhere to document and record any sort of police encounter they can and how to ensure their data is preserved no matter what someone does to their device. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 01:20
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I guess we just disagree on this one. I'd rather run the risk of garbage people not caring about the police officers tasked with protecting them running rampant than hoping one out of a thousand cases get publicized. Please don't get me wrong, I would very much like police having to wear cameras to work. I am just worried it won't. I know Freakonomics is a bad book but I worry the story from it about the Israeli kindergarten and how, once parents realised the penalty for not picking their kids up on time was minor, they were even less punctual could be repeated with police cameras. If cops are caught on camera committing major crimes and continue to get away with it, not only will the cameras cease to be effective but they may even feel free to behave even worse. e: Hence why I believe cameras must have reform pushed alongside them, cameras alone may not be enough.
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Dec 4, 2014 01:27
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I understand I suppose my problem is I just can't imagine a world where police are on their own cameras blatantly breaking the law and then not even facing prosecution on that sort of level. As ironic as that may sound right now.
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Dec 4, 2014 01:36
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I understand Cops are still on the job having sex with hookers on police cruisers, Cops in las vegas know how to party.
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Dec 4, 2014 01:39
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SpeedGem posted:Cops are still on the job having sex with hookers on police cruisers, Cops in las vegas know how to party. If they had body cameras at least we could get some hot POV action on youporn
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Dec 4, 2014 01:42
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Intel&Sebastian posted:If they had body cameras at least we could get some hot POV action on youporn Internal affairs took 3 days to clear the 2 officers of any wrong doing despite multiple witness accounts and atm surveillance footage. If you are a cop you can kill anyone you want, and break any law you want, who cares anymore.
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Dec 4, 2014 01:44
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-calls-for-turretmounted-video-cameras-on-all,37586/ Out of the park.
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Dec 4, 2014 02:15
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quote:In an interview with the Northeast Ohio Media Group, Loehmann's father said that his son left Independence to pursue a job with Cleveland police because he wanted "more action."
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Dec 4, 2014 03:59
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Samurai Sanders posted:I literally don't know how to interpret that other than him saying that he wanted to shoot people. He left Independence because his performance review recommended that he be terminated. He joined Cleveland because they are incompetent and didn't bother to read his review, which said he is poo poo with firearms, is emotionally immature, is unable to follow directions, and is an untrainable babby idiot. Source.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:02
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:He left Independence because his performance review recommended that he be terminated. He joined Cleveland because they are incompetent and didn't bother to read his review, which said he is poo poo with firearms, is emotionally immature, is unable to follow directions, and is an untrainable babby idiot.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:05
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yes, that was the very source I just quoted. Well, with the limit on Police Officer candidate IQs being upheld, they'll take what they can get.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:06
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It's true, the camera footage did not convince a grand jury to indict, but it did convince a lot of Americans that our criminal justice system is broken. Then again, I doubt that police camera footage will make it into the public the way that cell video does.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:09
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yes, that was the very source I just quoted. gently caress! Now I'll never get out of training!! Waaaahh waaahhh!
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Dec 4, 2014 04:09
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How many of the 17,000 police departments in the US are not awful, anyway? Surely it must be SOME of them.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:19
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Im glad that this is happening so soon after Michael Brown, this will at least help the whole issue from being lost in the white noise. Maybe a little.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:38
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Please don't get me wrong, I would very much like police having to wear cameras to work. I am just worried it won't. Cameras alone won't be enough, but the first step in making progress is to understand where you're at right now. Once you measure that then you can use that towards real change.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:51
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On the topic of books can anyone recommend books on the innerworkings of police departments? Maybe ones related to the history of the LAPD or NYPD?
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Dec 4, 2014 05:01
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GlyphGryph posted:Maybe cases against the local power structure should be carried about by individuals and organizations that are not part of it? That wouldn't do anything, since the problem of people being biased seems to be universal. That grand jury in Georgia no-billed the SWAT team that blasted a baby's face off with a flashbang in a house that contained zero drugs. Even if you just wanted to change the prosecutors, your choices are either to move the case to a different jurisdiction in the same state, in which case the prosecutors and investigators are still likely to have had at least casual contact with their peers, and definitely still know which side their bread is buttered on, or move it to a different state, where attorneys may not be familiar with the laws of a different state and taint the case through procedural errors.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:04
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im gay posted:On the topic of books can anyone recommend books on the innerworkings of police departments? Maybe ones related to the history of the LAPD or NYPD? Homicide by David Simon
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Dec 4, 2014 05:04
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Samurai Sanders posted:How many of the 17,000 police departments in the US are not awful, anyway? Surely it must be SOME of them. My local one, as far as I know, just sexually harasses its female employees.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:05
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GreyjoyBastard posted:My local one, as far as I know, just sexually harasses its female employees. Also, what do the bar associations think about prosecutors throwing cases against cops? I can't think of any reason they would be beholden to cops, and I thought they would be well motivated to uphold the reputation of their craft.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Also, what do the bar associations think about prosecutors throwing cases against cops? I can't think of any reason they would be beholden to cops, and I thought they would be well motivated to uphold the reputation of their craft.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:14
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nm posted:Well, they don't care when they hide evidence and commit other ethical violations that send people to prison, so I suspect letting someone go won't bother them.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:22
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A rare opportunity to post something positive about the police! Larry Steve McQuilliams, the fundie/racist/lunatic who decided to shoot up Austin last week, was killed by a single shot from Austin mounted patrol Sgt. Adam Johnson fired from over 100yds away with a handgun while he was holding two horses. Apparently, Austin cops know how to fuckin' shoot.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:27
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Get that guy to NYC to run some training sessions. Maybe the NYPD can learn how to properly handle their guns.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:31
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Well I'm happy that the NYPD has some breathing room for these protests. NYC residents can breathe easy, and I hope we can all just calm down for a second and catch our breath in the midst of all this breath-taking violence and upheaval. The justice department no doubt been left breathless by this tragedy, but they need to take a breath before making a decision that could suck all the oxygen out of this conversation. When it comes time to make their move, I'd hate to see them choke and blow it. Daniel Pantaleo choked a man to death and a grand jury declined to indict.
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Samurai Sanders posted:How many of the 17,000 police departments in the US are not awful, anyway? Surely it must be SOME of them. It's my understanding Boston's is actually pretty good. I don't have a source on this though, I just recall reading that in comparison to most cities it has a shockingly low amount of race problems. I suppose that may be "not bad" instead of "pretty good", actually.
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Dec 4, 2014 15:17
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Accretionist posted:This might explain the Cleveland shooting: That cop's an idiot. So the guy has a bunch of emotional breakdowns because he was dumb enough to date a stripper and he misses NYC, and can't hack it as a cop in Independence but decides its because he wants more action? What a loon. I made that poo poo up about dating a stripper for the sake of hyperbole. Holy poo poo the guy clearly had some problems, though.
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Dec 4, 2014 16:01
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Garner had over 30 arrests, starting from when he was 16 years old. Is it so hard to follow the law? If blacks really hate interacting with the police so much why not, you know, fly straight? I'm not saying dude should literally die for peddling illegal cigarettes, but come on. Get a real job, a legal job, comply with police direction if in the rare case you happen to talk to police. Most of us law-abiding citizens just do what the cops say to do so we can go about our business. Oh I got a speeding ticket, thank you officer. No one wants to hang around cops longer than they have to. But if you're always committing crimes, no poo poo the cops are gonna hassle you. If a cop looks at you and you're on a first name basis you hosed up in life and you can't just have your weeping parents in a press conference talk about how you were going to go far if only the white man hadn't held you down. So fuckin ridiculous how race relations are right now that you have to tiptoe around criminals if your skin colors dont match. Better call in backup for this arrest, its a black man. You really don't know what's going on. Black men in NYC can be stopped (and arrested) for any reason at all. Probable cause be damned.
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FYI the guy who filmed garners murder was indicted on a weapons charge. The cops frisked him and a buddy, found a weapon on his buddy, and testified that they saw the camera guy slip the gun into his buddy's waistband.
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The only reform that'll work is dead cops. Millions of dead cops. Chris Dorner was a hero and I ask Jesus every night for more dead cops. Dead cops. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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My butthole clenches at the thought of putting any kind of criticism against the police in writing just in case it could come back and cause trouble because some rear end in a top hat with authority decides to go on a power trip. Professor Tomtom posted:The only reform that'll work is dead cops. Millions of dead cops. Chris Dorner was a hero and I ask Jesus every night for more dead cops. Dead cops. Putting your rear end on the line for the sake of trolling is true dedication to your craft.
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http://www.live5news.com/story/2754...pes=og.comments It's weird when the South is less poo poo. quote:A former Eutawville police chief has been charged with murder in the shooting death of an unarmed black man in 2011.
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