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Maybe it's because I've never owned a Zune, Xbox, or a WP7, but what exactly went missing in the integrated hub from WP7 to now? Could you add services other than Facebook, Twitter, and Weibo to it? I've used an iPhone 6 and a lollipop nexus 4, still rocking my contractless 1020.  Guess I just happen to be the perfect use case for a high end Windows phone.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Maybe it's because I've never owned a Zune, Xbox, or a WP7, but what exactly went missing in the integrated hub from WP7 to now? Could you add services other than Facebook, Twitter, and Weibo to it? The hubs didn't launch an app, you would just use the People hub and be able to see all updates from your linked account and could reply to them from the hub. I liked it, but the thing that's killing WP for me is that major apps that haven't updated in over a year are starting to break as the OS updates. And there won't be an update in the foreseeable future.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Maybe it's because I've never owned a Zune, Xbox, or a WP7, but what exactly went missing in the integrated hub from WP7 to now? Could you add services other than Facebook, Twitter, and Weibo to it? It's a couple of things (and a few of which I'm sure I'll miss) but when WP7 originally launched: 1) You had the "Me" tile which worked as basically a notification center for all your social media activity. It was persistent too, so more like the Facebook Notifications globe than the current notification system. You could also post/check-in to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc directly from the tile. The functionality of this got neutered pretty heavily in WP8-8.1. If I recall correctly you could do Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, MSN, and a handful of others. 2) You used to be able to do everything social media related directly from the People hub. So if you wanted to click on someone's Facebook status, view a picture, comment or like something, you were always doing so within the People hub. It wasn't this whole "let me jump out into the dedicated app to reply" type deal. The original FB and Twitter apps being lovely didn't matter because the integration with the core platform was so solid. 3) And this is only somewhat related, but the original Messaging app let you switch between Text, Facebook Messenger, and MSN seamlessly. Keep in mind that it did this a year before iMessage came out, so being able to use Facebook Chat in the same place you sent texts was pretty novel. It seemed especially awesome when MS bought Skype like 5 months later since everyone though we were getting integrated Skype messaging -- but that never happened. In fact, it took another year for a Skype beta to even be available for Windows Phone. 4) Since I'm not sure if you're asking about the Music hub or not -- the Zune software, while not the greatest piece of software ever, was absolutely stellar at what it was designed to do: access the Zune Marketplace, let you buy/download music, play any music on your hard drive, and get the music from either source onto your phone. Keep in mind it did this whether your phone was plugged into the computer or wirelessly. Now, with Windows 8/Phone 8 if you want to get music onto your phone you have to either a) use the Windows Phone app for Windows 8 (which is poo poo) or b) add music to your Xbox Music collection, then go to your phone and actually tell it to download to the device. Oh and when you search for music on your phone, it now searches only your collection and then, if you hit the smallest hitbox known to man, will allow you to search the store as well. This compared to WP7 which search both simultaneously and, again, made getting music actually onto the phone from a computer stupidly easy.
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I recently switched from Android and am pretty happy with the 1020. I mainly went with it due to the camera. The only things I would like is a bigger battery and one or two nonessential apps. The battery is pretty good,I just infrequently charge since my cat tries to eat the cable. I am unsure how much a wireless charger would help. I came from a Note which spoiled me in that aspect.
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Dec 4, 2014 01:29
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daspope posted:I am unsure how much a wireless charger would help. It works for me because it's so low effort (just put it on the plate as opposed to plugging in) that I always charge my phone in the car, at my desk at work or at bedside table at home, so it's always topped up.
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Dec 4, 2014 02:07
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I just got the 929/Icon back in July after having an iPhone 4 for a couple years and I have no regrets. The interface is leaps and bounds better, the apps and games I use never have any problems, and Nokia's MixRadio music app works just fine when I'm listening to albums in my car. And the camera on this is absolutely amazing too as was the WP8 notification center, but I didn't use it all that much. I agree that the app store could be cleaned up a bit and Microsoft needs to pay more attention to its mobile division as a whole, but I think a few people here are being a bit too harsh toward the platform. Then again, maybe its because I haven't been with it since the WP7 days. I hope that the platform gets even better and doesn't die out, but that's ultimately up to MS.
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Dec 4, 2014 02:11
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wookieepelt posted:the thing that's killing WP for me is that major apps that haven't updated in over a year are starting to break as the OS updates. Just use Verizon and you never have to worry about your OS updating. 
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I've used an iPhone 6 and a lollipop nexus 4, still rocking my contractless 1020. Hoping the 1030 that's rendered all to hell is real. That and Windows Phone 10 (full universal apps or whatever) may be a winner, but as it stands now, it's a fun OS to play with. Not interested in using it full time though.
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Dec 4, 2014 03:13
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I got a galaxy 4 tab recently as my first foray into android and goddddddamnnnn is it terrible. I know its samsungs interface most likely but its ugly, unintuitive and laggy and slow as poo poo. I mean how do you release a product that is laggy out of the box!? I'm still probably gonna jump ship at some point but it went a long way to making me appreciate how nice Windows Phone can be.
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Dec 4, 2014 03:45
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I'm hitting an issue in the awful app recently where when I open a page, 2-3 posts in the rendering will stop and turn into an endlessly scrollable white while. If I back out to the bookmarks page and try reopen it will then hang my entire phone for about 5 seconds before crashing. Doesn't seem to be related to specific pages because I can then reopen the app and navigate to the same page with no issue.
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Dec 4, 2014 03:47
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The only real complaints I have about my 930 are: 1. The orange version came out a month after the others, so I bought a white one, which picks up dirty finger smudges on the back after work. 2. Moving the speaker from the bottom edge of the phone as it was in the 920 to the back has resulted in a noticeably quieter, scratchier speaker. Other than that, I'm satisfied. Cortana still needs some work, but it's still in alpha here in Australia, so I let that slide. I'm at the point where I have a 5" 1080p screen, so other than a better speaker there isn't really anything more I need from a phone hardware wise.
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Dec 4, 2014 03:53
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Eggnogium posted:I'm hitting an issue in the awful app recently where when I open a page, 2-3 posts in the rendering will stop and turn into an endlessly scrollable white while. If I back out to the bookmarks page and try reopen it will then hang my entire phone for about 5 seconds before crashing. Doesn't seem to be related to specific pages because I can then reopen the app and navigate to the same page with no issue. 1. Is it Awful Forums Reader, or Awful. 2. If it is Awful Forums Reader, what kind of phone is it and what version of Windows Phone 8.1 do you have, and is it a dev build? That kinda sounds like a memory issue to me, as I've never seen it on my 1020. But it could also be something specific with the web view in whatever version of Windows Phone 8.1 you have. And if that's the case, I think it's outta my control.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:01
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Drastic Actions posted:1. Is it Awful Forums Reader, or Awful. Awful Forums Reader. Yeah what you're saying sounds right but I'm surprised because it's a 925 so plenty of memory and I'm on what should be the AT&T approved build, 8.10.12393.890.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:16
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Drastic Actions posted:1. Is it Awful Forums Reader, or Awful. While you're here, I've noticed an issue with Awful forums Reader as well. Usually when I start the app, I get a 'could not get bookmarks' error with a page of debugging gibberish; then I just tap the refresh button, and my bookmarks load correctly. It's started happening more and more frequently over the past couple of weeks - I suspect since I switched to the dev preview.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:19
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BonoMan posted:I got a galaxy 4 tab recently as my first foray into android and goddddddamnnnn is it terrible. I know its samsungs interface most likely but its ugly, unintuitive and laggy and slow as poo poo. I mean how do you release a product that is laggy out of the box!? You bought a lovely budget tablet from one of the few remaining OEMs that still lathers everything up in a slow, bad skin. That's like buying a Lumia 520 and complaining that Windows Phone cameras are bad.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:41
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Eggnogium posted:Awful Forums Reader. Yeah what you're saying sounds right but I'm surprised because it's a 925 so plenty of memory and I'm on what should be the AT&T approved build, 8.10.12393.890. I honestly don't know. I just tried it on my 1020 and 520 and it both worked fine. But those are on the newest dev builds .The Lord Bude posted:While you're here, I've noticed an issue with Awful forums Reader as well. Usually when I start the app, I get a 'could not get bookmarks' error with a page of debugging gibberish; then I just tap the refresh button, and my bookmarks load correctly. It's started happening more and more frequently over the past couple of weeks - I suspect since I switched to the dev preview. Partially, If this happens on when your on your mobile network, it could be returning a 404 from SA. I've had that happen on apps outside of my own. If it's on wifi, and it's a 404, then I'm really interested. But also it's because of me having to hack my database support out of the WP build, because of EntityFramework 7 STILL not working correctly on release builds of WP, despite the Microsoft dudes workaround which did not work and they won't acknowledge. Normally, on my debug builds, it would save your bookmarks into the local database. Then whenever you restarted the app it would load those first, and THEN try to refresh. If it failed, no big deal, you have bookmarks present and you could just try again (also no need to show an error). But I had to turn all of that off so it could work at all. So normally, you would not see the error at all unless it failed when you pushed the refresh button. So in other words,
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I am unable to change page (no enter or go button, nothing happens), nor can bookmark from threads list. I know on the tablet you put in a post and hit enter but that didn't display here on the phone.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:49
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Partycat posted:I am unable to change page (no enter or go button, nothing happens), nor can bookmark from threads list. I know on the tablet you put in a post and hit enter but that didn't display here on the phone. Checking the code, it's because of EntityFramework. It tries to save the thread to the database first before sending the post request to SA... and blows up because EF throws an error. In this case, I forgot to capture and show you the error. When the EF build gets fixed, that will get fixed. I would rather not hack around more poo poo if at all possible. The actual change page dialog box... that is legit my fault. Forgot to wire up the button to the view model  . That'll be fixed whenever a new build goes out... which will be when EF is fixed. So yeah.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:58
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RVProfootballer posted:You bought a lovely budget tablet from one of the few remaining OEMs that still lathers everything up in a slow, bad skin. That's like buying a Lumia 520 and complaining that Windows Phone cameras are bad. Not really. I'd expect the camera on a 520 to be bad but I'd expect the core experience to work well enough. Same way I'd expect the camera on the galaxy tab to suck but would expect at the least the core experience to be serviceable. But its just all lovely! Also it was $100 so I couldn't resist.
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Got a Lumia 635 coming on Friday. Excited to have a WP device to play with again to cycle from my Galaxy S5.
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BonoMan posted:Not really. I'd expect the camera on a 520 to be bad but I'd expect the core experience to work well enough. Same way I'd expect the camera on the galaxy tab to suck but would expect at the least the core experience to be serviceable. But its just all lovely! Oh, I'm not saying you're wrong to expect better than you got. I was trying to say that you shouldn't assume the problem was Android, just like you shouldn't assume all WP cameras are bad after using a 520. You just bought a lovely tablet (or, analogously, a lovely camera in the 520). That shouldn't deter you from considering other better options (like a flagship Android or 1020 camera!).
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Shrimpy posted:It's a couple of things (and a few of which I'm sure I'll miss) but when WP7 originally launched: Shrimpy posted:2) You used to be able to do everything social media related directly from the People hub. So if you wanted to click on someone's Facebook status, view a picture, comment or like something, you were always doing so within the People hub. It wasn't this whole "let me jump out into the dedicated app to reply" type deal. The original FB and Twitter apps being lovely didn't matter because the integration with the core platform was so solid. I'm hoping things get better with Win10 seeing how well OSG working out.
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RVProfootballer posted:Oh, I'm not saying you're wrong to expect better than you got. I was trying to say that you shouldn't assume the problem was Android, just like you shouldn't assume all WP cameras are bad after using a 520. You just bought a lovely tablet (or, analogously, a lovely camera in the 520). That shouldn't deter you from considering other better options (like a flagship Android or 1020 camera!). Right I mentioned it was Samsung in my original post. I was just reiterating that, regardless of it being Samsung, it makes me appreciate his nice the WP OS is. And how i can get a silky smooth experience even on my $50 budget phone. BonoMan fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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I would have jumped ship to iphone 6 quite a while ago, but it's been sold out in my country forever and I'm not willing to buy it from a scalper for $1100. There are few things I'd outright say are "bad" on my 925 compared to my girlfriend's iphone 5s, but jesus christ there are so many small things that make her phone way more convenient. -If I need a quick flashlight for anything, on her phone I can just swipe up the command center and hit the shortcut, done. On my special phone that lacks a built-in flashlight, I have to find and download some third-party piece of crap and hope the background permissions work correctly so that the light won't just shut itself off as soon as the screen locks. This also applies to situations where I want to record audio. She has an app built-in, my phone has the only OS that doesn't include such an app. -If I want to mess with music on her phone, I can access player controls and a time bar from command center easily. On my phone I have 1.5 seconds to hit the playback controls after hitting a volume button or the options vanish until I hit the volume again, and no way to jump to specific points in the song out-of-app. -Why are so many apps absolutely hosed when it comes to doing anything in the background? -Related to previous one: If you take a photo with a camera app and then back out of the camera before the image has had 1-4 seconds (depending on app) to finish saving, you lose the image. Why the poo poo is that even possible? -When apps resume, why do I have to sit at a blank screen? In iOS I can still interact with the app while it's updating. xylo posted:It was great.. we didn't want to neuter it. I think I posted on why it happened though. Was the reasoning for this something like "Every time one of these other services (twitter/linkedin/facebook) changes their APIs, the hub is broken until the next OS update, but if we split these into separate apps then things can be updated quickly"? Which is a good idea except that it assumes those other companies will bother updating their apps. And they don't.
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xylo posted:I'm hoping things get better with Win10 seeing how well OSG working out.
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BonoMan posted:I got a galaxy 4 tab recently as my first foray into android and goddddddamnnnn is it terrible. I know its samsungs interface most likely but its ugly, unintuitive and laggy and slow as poo poo. I mean how do you release a product that is laggy out of the box!? I recently got an LG G3 and it is smooth sailing. I miss a lot about WP, but wanted to try something new. Hopefully next year something enticing comes to Windows Phone because I would move back.
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Dec 4, 2014 14:23
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Might as well sell my Nokia Lumia 1020 - anyone wants to buy it?
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LentThem posted:Was the reasoning for this something like "Every time one of these other services (twitter/linkedin/facebook) changes their APIs, the hub is broken until the next OS update, but if we split these into separate apps then things can be updated quickly"? It was a little difficult holding back from upgrading to a new phone when I became eligible. Playing around a little with my wife's 1020 with 8.0 and 8.1 and not seeing a huge amount of difference to what I do made it easier. Reading about Microsoft defunctionizing the main non-phone application that I use makes it easier still. At this point I have zero reason to upgrade from 7.8 until 10 is released.
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Cheesus posted:At this point I have zero reason to upgrade from 7.8 until 10 is released. But what do you do about apps? Not just the amount and type of apps available but how much support they're getting. The two most important apps for me after the Awful app and NextGen Reader and both of those are out of date on WP7 compared to their WP8 versions and partially broken. Plus, I can't re-download apps and games onto WP7 that I had bought in WP7 and transferred to WP8 without having to rebuy them. At this point, my Focus has been playing glorified Zune player duties and not much else.
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Dec 4, 2014 15:29
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Kidney Stone posted:Might as well sell my Nokia Lumia 1020 - anyone wants to buy it? I've wanted one of these for that sweet camera. do you know if it will work on t-mobile?
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Careful Drums posted:I've wanted one of these for that sweet camera. do you know if it will work on t-mobile? I'm not 100% certain - this is the European RM-875 model, and it supports the following frequencies (don't know which T-Mobile uses?): 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - RM-875, RM-877 4G Network LTE 800 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600 - RM-875
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Kidney Stone posted:I'm not 100% certain - this is the European RM-875 model, and it supports the following frequencies (don't know which T-Mobile uses?): Ehh.. I don't know jack about that kind of stuff so I'm gonna guess it wouldn't. How legit do you folks think this is? A successor to the Lumia 1020? http://petapixel.com/2014/12/01/rumor-images-lumia-1030-prototype-leaked-new-phone-will-supposedly-sport-50mp-sensor/
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Kidney Stone posted:I'm not 100% certain - this is the European RM-875 model, and it supports the following frequencies (don't know which T-Mobile uses?): That'll get you 3G and 4G/HSPA+, although limited to 21 Mbps vs 42 Mbps, but not 4G LTE. For 42 Mbps HSPA+ and LTE, the phone needs to support 1700/2100 MHz AWS for that specific radio interface.
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Question: is the constant "Loading..." and "Resuming..." (and all the resulting flakiness) only because I have a low-end phone (521) or do the higher-end phones do the same thing?
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I think on the earlier points of WP disappointment, anyone who never used Zune/wp7 is probably ok with their WP8+ device. Those of us who were loyal Zune-ers (Zuneites?) have just been beaten with lashes ever since wp8 came out. It's *so* much worse, music-wise, and that's all I really want from my phone. :/ Still can't copy a damned playlist from my PC to my phone.
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monster on a stick posted:Question: is the constant "Loading..." and "Resuming..." (and all the resulting flakiness) only because I have a low-end phone (521) or do the higher-end phones do the same thing? It's a low end phone thing.
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monster on a stick posted:Question: is the constant "Loading..." and "Resuming..." (and all the resulting flakiness) only because I have a low-end phone (521) or do the higher-end phones do the same thing? It still happens, but less often. Still often enough that in some cases it's faster to force-quit the app and reopen it. And since there's no ui/window border while resuming, sometimes I don't even know what app I'm backing into from the home screen
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LentThem posted:It still happens, but less often. Still often enough that in some cases it's faster to force-quit the app and reopen it. Yeah, I get a lot of "Loading/Resuming" which kicks me back to the main screen, sometimes another app. I'm one of those pre-paid people and buy my own phone, WP doesn't seem to have a lower-cost model that has 1GB (I guess the 735 but that isn't available in the US right?)
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The 535 has 1gb of RAM, but that'll probably never be sold in the US either. Which is baffling.
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A frustration I have with Windows Phone is a total lack of official explanation on the "why" of things. Why did Music get progressively worse from WP7 => 7.8 => 8.0 => 8.1? Why isn't there a replacement flagship? Why did the "carriers won't block updates" thing turn out to be a bust? Why was cross-service integrated messaging killed off? Etc, etc etc. I don't think the people authorized to answer these questions don't know they're being asked, or don't know the answers. I believe they intentionally do not respond to such questions because the answers would reveal an official position that Microsoft has decided to try and compete primarily on the basis of price rather than the basis of quality. Probably with the hope that low price alone will drive sales and increase market share. Focusing on low prices, while also having low sales volumes, means low revenue. Which means more ruthless evaluation of priorities around this perspective. Which means quality becomes optional. Which means a low quality product is acceptable to release. Thus, no response to the questions, since "sorry we don't care about that lol" is not pacifying to people dissatisfied about quality, especially for WP users sensitive to the steadily draining quality of the platform. Or to tech bloggers/reviewers who put WP up against higher quality Android devices or any iPhone. Or to anyone in the first world who can afford basically any device they want and aren't making the majority of their decision based on price. Disappointing. monster on a stick posted:Yeah, I get a lot of "Loading/Resuming" which kicks me back to the main screen, sometimes another app. I'm one of those pre-paid people and buy my own phone, WP doesn't seem to have a lower-cost model that has 1GB (I guess the 735 but that isn't available in the US right?) I see "Resuming..." all the time on my 925, possibly more now with 8.1. It sucks. Oh well.
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