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I foolishly neglected to disable updates from Amazon and lost root. I can't understand why they're fighting this so hard. 
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Call Me Charlie posted:I'm guessing that you're looking for Netflix in the recent section on the home page instead of in 'your app library' in the apps section. Things don't show up in the recent section until you open them for the first time. See, the problem is in the store listing that button says "Free" instead of open, as if it is an available app I can download with no cost. When I click that button, it informs me I already have the Netflix app and can't dl it. For some reason the box thinks we have the app when we do not. In the app library, it has the usual bloatware already installed but no Netflix :/. This isn't a refurb or anything since I bought it new with the Black Friday deal. It is possible that Amazon did send a refurb, trying to pass it off as new. That might make sense since the Netflix icon is in fact in the recent/new apps section on the home page. That's the only place we could find it. Incredulous Dylan fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 18:16
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Incredulous Dylan posted:See, the problem is in the store listing that button says "Free" instead of open, as if it is an available app I can download with no cost. When I click that button, it informs me I already have the Netflix app and can't dl it. For some reason the box thinks we have the app when we do not. In the app library, it has the usual bloatware already installed but no Netflix :/. This isn't a refurb or anything since I bought it new with the Black Friday deal. It is possible that Amazon did send a refurb, trying to pass it off as new. That might make sense since the Netflix icon is in fact in the recent/new apps section on the home page. That's the only place we could find it. Ok, try going Settings -> Applications -> Manage All Installed Applications -> (find Netflix) -> Uninstall and try reinstalling it. It's possible that the download messed up. If that doesn't work, I guess you could try doing a 'Reset to Factory Defaults' (Settings -> System)
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Dec 4, 2014 18:26
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Welp, Stick'd around some last night. Sideloaded XBMC via the AFTVU app, no issues. Added the official remote app to my Tab 3 7", as well as the Yatse remote for XBMC. Netflix ran fine, and was in fact a lot more stable than my (older/refurb) Roku. (And that's even using wifi for the Stick and Ethernet for the Roku.  ) Allcast (fed from the Tab) worked, but was stuttery and didn't want to shut down cleanly on the Tab. <shrug> XBMC mainly worked, but I had some audio desync on one of the few clips ("HD" .wmv) - the same as I see streaming to the Tab, so I expect it just *really really* wants fat pipe. I did manage to lock/crash XBMC a few times, trying to browse my overly-large-and-unorganized-downloads-directory, but that's pretty much "why the hell do you have thousands of images in one directory you dolt". I'll play more tonight - I want to try adding more streaming ability to XBMC, and may try sideloading QuickPic so I have a nicer image browser. Hmmm, if I had a Bluetooth game controller, I wonder if this thing would run Carmageddon? 
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Dec 4, 2014 18:45
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Luceo posted:I foolishly neglected to disable updates from Amazon and lost root. I can't understand why they're fighting this so hard. 
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Dec 4, 2014 19:12
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CrashCat posted:Something about being a subsidized device to get you to buy Amazon stuff, perhaps? At least sideloading is now even easier than it was when I was stuck with a first gen Fire tablet. It was so refreshing when I got a Nexus and didn't have to gently caress around with downloading poo poo on my phone then shuffling it across just to have a current version of an app, which Amazon's app store would want to revert to their own older version. And I didn't even have that handy APK downloading site back then I am a Prime subscriber and buy Amazon stuff all the time and have no idea why rooting my FireTV would stop me from doing that.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:20
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Luceo posted:I am a Prime subscriber and buy Amazon stuff all the time and have no idea why rooting my FireTV would stop me from doing that. It shouldn't be a surprise that they don't want you rooting the device. Every single company has tried to stop people from doing that since forever.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:37
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Fremry posted:It shouldn't be a surprise that they don't want you rooting the device. Every single company has tried to stop people from doing that since forever. That doesn't make it OK, and only makes it more infuriating when I can't fathom WHY they'd stop it. I can sorta see it from the phone manufacturers, since root lets you tether without paying the absurd cost for that, but this isn't a phone. To me, this is the same as selling me a computer without giving me the admin password. It's my device, and I will have root on it, period. Then to push an update to intentionally break something I've done to my device, that's even worse.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:40
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Because it makes support harder (more expensive) when they have people calling with with rooted devices that are running amok because of said rooting and whatever subsequent modifications are made. Same as any other company.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:42
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Luceo posted:I am a Prime subscriber and buy Amazon stuff all the time and have no idea why rooting my FireTV would stop me from doing that. There's a number of people trying to bypass and replace the Amazon stuff.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:43
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the littlest prince posted:Because it makes support harder (more expensive) when they have people calling with with rooted devices that are running AWOL because of said rooting and whatever subsequent modifications are made. And how many people who bother to root their device actually call them for support? And if they did, Amazon'd just tell them to gently caress off. Not a good justification.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:43
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Call Me Charlie posted:There's a number of people trying to bypass and replace the Amazon stuff. So? It's their device to do with as they please.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:44
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Luceo posted:So? It's their device to do with as they please. Except the whole reason it's the price it is is because they make up their loss on the hardware by selling you Prime poo poo. I mean, if you can't understand why Amazon would not want to give you money to get your content elsewhere, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:46
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Thermopyle posted:Except the whole reason it's the price it is is because they make up their loss on the hardware by selling you Prime poo poo. They already do by supporting Netflix and Hulu Plus on the device. I can imagine many people picking up a Stick just for Netflix and never subscribing to Prime. I can't imagine the percentage of FireTV owners who root and hack the thing up to be anywhere near a significant fraction of the overall usebase to warrant directing your internal resources to block rooting and including a self-destruct device in the bootloader to prevent OS/bootloader downgrades. This poo poo is getting ridiculous.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:49
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Luceo posted:So? It's their device to do with as they please. Amazon's subsidizing these boxes to get people onto their services. Allowing root where people boot directly into XBMC and reprogram the home button to open XBMC and flash their own stuff onto it kinda defeats that purpose. I'm with CrashCat. I'm just happy I can easily sideload stuff onto it.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:49
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Luceo posted:They already do by supporting Netflix and Hulu Plus on the device. I can imagine many people picking up a Stick just for Netflix and never subscribing to Prime. I can't imagine the percentage of FireTV owners who root and hack the thing up to be anywhere near a significant fraction of the overall usebase to warrant directing your internal resources to block rooting and including a self-destruct device in the bootloader to prevent OS/bootloader downgrades. This poo poo is getting ridiculous. Amazon doesn't have to imagine anything. They have the numbers. I mean, either it's a conspiracy to irritate you or they have a business reason. Hmm, which could it be?
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Dec 4, 2014 19:51
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Luceo posted:And how many people who bother to root their device actually call them for support? And if they did, Amazon'd just tell them to gently caress off. Not a good justification. Who the gently caress knows? A lot? A few? Probably more than 0. But OK, what about some guy in a bar who rooted his and is having problems with it, and people overhear him talking about it, not knowing the context of what he's doing with it. Word of mouth is a huge deal. Will have a massive effect when it's not consistent across all the feedback they hear? No, but a few small anecdotes about problems with a camera or phone calls dropping is enough to instill doubt about a product in a highly competitive market. Again, this is probably a concern every company that makes a phone, tablet, or other similar device. I understand why not being able to keep your device rooted frustrates you, and I agree they may take it too far, but these are legitimate concerns. You can't just brush them aside because you disagree with how much they matter. There are probably people out there that think anything but full command line control is unethical and unacceptable. They can't please everyone.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:52
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Thermopyle posted:Amazon doesn't have to imagine anything. They have the numbers. I'm sure they have a business reason, but that doesn't make it valid. Nor does it excuse pushing an update to my device to undo a modification that I've made to it. There is no justification for that.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:53
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Luceo posted:So? It's their device to do with as they please. Yes and no. This has already gone to the Supreme Court with Apple phones. People can root their devices without fear of legal or civil action, but the company can do whatever they want/can to stop people from doing so. Are you making an abstract or real argument? There's a million reasons you don't want to let people root a device you made in addition to the support nightmares that go with it. You remember when every media outlet reported that Saddam Hussein was using PS2s to make super guided missiles? Amazon doesn't want that kind of bad press. Imagine a network of people making a secure file sharing application to distribute child porn. Suddenly Amazon get's it's name on every news channel, magazine, website and newspaper next to "child porn". Same thing with any use that any terror organization or really any illegal activity that people do with it. Yes, it's just a tiny computer and people are doing all of that illegal poo poo on any device that can process it, but that'll never stop the media from reporting that Amazon is part of the coming porn/terror/drug apocalypse. Google did not appreciate it when news sources started reporting that Al Qaeda was using gmail to plan new attacks without the US knowing it.
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Dec 4, 2014 19:55
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Oh dear, what have I done  The essence is that the UI is designed to sell you Amazon poo poo and they know if it's there in your face all the time you're pretty likely to take a peek. The average user won't even know you can sideload let alone root it and that's the user they're catering to. It would be nice if they didn't try to block your root but in the end they know they would eat support or even replacement costs if they don't patch that up. They also don't want someone with a seemingly innocent app to be able to gain root through that exploit and cause havoc.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:05
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Crosspost from the general XBMC thread, I don't know if this is a FireTV version of XBMC/Kodi issue or just a general issue: So before, I was having issues with about 7 or 8 movies not showing up in my library despite using MediaElch to make sure they had NFOs and art and all that jazz even though I can see them in the file list if I just browse there. Someone told me to highlight them in the list and just press "I" but that isn't working for me. I do that, get asked to name the file (which I do), click ok, and it just keeps asking me to name the file over and over. If I click cancel and update my library, I get nothing. Some basic research seems to suggest that they took that out of 13.2. Any other ideas?
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Dec 4, 2014 20:06
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CrashCat posted:Oh dear, what have I done I get the idea that they want to sell me poo poo, and although I find Fremry's post laden with hyperbole about the potential bad publicity, I get the overall point. My real issue is that they updated my FireTV without my consent and undid a modification I made to my device. This is not acceptable, for any reason, ever.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:08
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Luceo posted:I get the idea that they want to sell me poo poo, and although I find Fremry's post laden with hyperbole about the potential bad publicity, I get the overall point. My real issue is that they updated my FireTV without my consent and undid a modification I made to my device. This is not acceptable, for any reason, ever. Luceo posted:I foolishly neglected to disable updates from Amazon and lost root. I can't understand why they're fighting this so hard. You implicitly gave consent for Amazon to update your FireTV because you forgot to disable automatic updates from Amazon. Go buy one of the no name Android streaming sticks that lets you do whatever you want. Amazon never sold the FireTV as something you can hack or tinker with rooting.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:13
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Luceo posted:I get the idea that they want to sell me poo poo, and although I find Fremry's post laden with hyperbole about the potential bad publicity, I get the overall point. My real issue is that they updated my FireTV without my consent and undid a modification I made to my device. This is not acceptable, for any reason, ever.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:14
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Luceo posted:I get the idea that they want to sell me poo poo, and although I find Fremry's post laden with hyperbole about the potential bad publicity, I get the overall point. My real issue is that they updated my FireTV without my consent and undid a modification I made to my device. This is not acceptable, for any reason, ever. Amazon has been forcing auto updates since their e-Ink Kindles. It's what they do. You probably accepted it in the EULA somewhere when you first setup the device. e: Yeah it's a clause in the Amazon.com conditions of use which are applicable because it is within the Fire TV and Fire Stick Terms of Use. Sucks but that's how Amazon is gonna be. MagusDraco fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 20:15
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Luceo posted:I'm sure they have a business reason, but that doesn't make it valid. Nor does it excuse pushing an update to my device to undo a modification that I've made to it. There is no justification for that. Is this a troll? It has to be.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:16
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BonoMan posted:Is this a troll? It has to be. Oh gently caress off. It's perfectly reasonable to expect a company to not undo changes you make to your property.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:19
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BonoMan posted:Is this a troll? It has to be. It sucks sure, but that ship has sailed quite a while ago
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Dec 4, 2014 20:21
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CrashCat posted:I hope so, because being so mad about a stability update breaking an unintended use in 2014 is like crying over the spilled milk stain on the floor after the gallon in the fridge has turned into cottage cheese Yes, I'm loving trolling  It's not "a stability update breaking an unintended use," it's said update intentionally setting out to break my usage and block me from ever doing it again, and also potentially bricking the device if I try to downgrade back to a previous version.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:25
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Luceo posted:Oh gently caress off. It's perfectly reasonable to expect a company to not undo changes you make to your property. You're buying the service, not the box.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:25
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BonoMan posted:You're buying the service, not the box. No I'm pretty sure I bought the box, considering it's in my living room.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:26
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Luceo posted:No I'm pretty sure I bought the box, considering it's in my living room. You agreed to Amazon's term when you turned on the box though. Their terms include "we will update the box automatically or manually without giving you notice" edit: Furthermore in their terms of service if you don't agree to be bound by them you are not allowed to use the box and can return it to Amazon in "accordance to the applicable return policy"
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Dec 4, 2014 20:27
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Luceo posted:No I'm pretty sure I bought the box, considering it's in my living room. Don't be obtuse. You aren't entitled to loving anything other than what you purchased which was an Amazon box. If you want to make changes, you do so at your own risk and you aren't entitled or ever guaranteed for the box to EVER OPERATE OTHER THAN INTENDED BY THE MANUFACTURER.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:29
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KKKLIP ART posted:Crosspost from the general XBMC thread, I don't know if this is a FireTV version of XBMC/Kodi issue or just a general issue: That was me. It should pop up a thing saying something 'found local information, do you want to use it' before the name thing pops up (the name thing is the search for the scraper) A different route you can go is adding the movies to TheMovieDB.com - it will take a day before it shows up in the search but that way you wouldn't have to mess around with NFOs. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 20:29
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Luceo posted:Yes, I'm loving trolling
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Dec 4, 2014 20:31
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CrashCat posted:You're right, being able to gain superuser permission through an APK is not a stability issue, it's a security issue. My mistake. God, you people are worse than the Mac threads. Apple can do no wrong, and apparently neither can Amazon!
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Dec 4, 2014 20:31
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edit: double post, I give up
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Dec 4, 2014 20:32
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Luceo posted:God you people are worse than the Mac threads. No. We know it sucks but there's no use complaining about it since nothing can be done about it. Maybe they'll figure out a new way to root it but for now you're poo poo out of luck.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:33
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Call Me Charlie posted:Ok, try going Thanks. I didn't have too much time to mess around with that since it was in the middle of her birthday but I will pop by tonight and see what that does. Since it is only a day old I'm not worried about losing settings!
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Luceo posted:It's not "a stability update breaking an unintended use," it's said update intentionally setting out to break my usage and block me from ever doing it again, and also potentially bricking the device if I try to downgrade back to a previous version. So...what did you need root for? Break your usage is a bit much when you can still access XBMC and sideload pretty much everything besides Google Play store.
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