Reiley posted:

When I play online I will sometimes get half-second input lag that the person I'm fighting doesn't seem to be suffering, but sometimes I won't have that lag at all. I put the WiiU in the router's DMZ and have it connected to ethernet, so I don't know what could possibly be doing this. Do you have to do something more than just plugging the ethernet adapter into the system to get it to use that signal instead of wifi?

Callick posted:

Play with friends or play 1v1 For Glory, bam

NO LISTEN TO ME posted:

Anyone else in here who mains Game & Watch? I feel like I need a support group, I feel so alone. No one likes this flat man.

NO LISTEN TO ME posted:

Anyone else in here who mains Game & Watch? I feel like I need a support group, I feel so alone. No one likes this flat man.

PoPcornTG posted:

Any tips for playing as Sonic?

DoctorWhat posted:

Man I am so so SO SO SO happy that Sonic is good in this game.

I get Sonic's playstyle. He's totally intuitive to me. The timings of his aerials and their landing lag, especially. He's just so natural for me to use, everything flows into everything else but he still has tons of mix-up and mindgame potential. I've been wrecking poo poo on For Glory with the blue blur, especially when I have a really good connection.

COOL poo poo TO DO WITH SONIC:

• N-air (insta-shield, for you S3&K fans out there) has incredible effective priority and near-instant startup, making it great for escaping and even turning around u-tilt combos, juggles, etc.
  
• N-air is also really good to use to rack up %s when coming out of a spindash jump, because it's a way more reliable hit than any of Sonic's other aerials. Basically, out of the "roll" portion of a Spin Dash or Spin Charge, just hit A once to jump into your opponent, carrying them upwards, and then mash A until they get hit with the instashield.
  
• Switching between Side-B and Down-B can confuse your opponents, since the little hop caused by the side-b can throw off their timing.
  
• Don't be afraid to just RUN AROUND! Going from a full-tilt dash into a momentum-sliding shield-grab is an effective mix-up strat that, following an upthrow, has tremendous combo/juggling potential; meanwhile, downthrows rack up % damage, and backthrows and (to a lesser extent) frontthrows can kill at high %s.
  
• Plus, Sonic's running-start Upsmash has always been a beast (though he suffered from the removal of DACUSing in 1.04/WiiU), and his dash attack's no joke, especially with it's new "kick".
  
• While Sonic's Downsmash is now less visually distinct, and its hitboxes no longer linger as a result, its reduced startup time and front-and-back coverage make it a better move overall than its Brawl counterpart.
  
• Sonic's Fsmash has a deceptively long reach, especially when properly angled, and deceptively mighty kill power.
  
• If your opponent is in the air, they are your PREY. That doesn't mean "chase them past the top camera borders and hope for a lucky hit", however. Unless you're ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that you can chain two or three up-airs into a topkill, just fastfall/d-air back to earth and wait for your target to come to you.
  
• Of course, if you CAN confidently land an up-air at high percents and/or close to the top blast line, then DO IT TO IT. It's cool as hell and difficult for your opponent to punish if you miss. (...Unless your opponent has "plunging" moves like Stone, Yoshi's Ground Pound, Toon Link's dair, etc. Don't try to juggle them vertically.)
  
• Don't even bother trying to land the meteor hitbox of the d-air, it's a fool's errand and you'll probably selff-destruct. Sonic rewards swag and style, to be sure, but there's no swag in making yourself look like a suicidal moron.
  
• B-air is loving amazing, as it was in Brawl, with deceptive range and incredible kill potential, especially when chasing offsides. Just don't let it get Stale Moves'd to death, and make sure you're facing the right way to land it.
  
• F-air has kill power offsides, too, but its REAL capacity for murder isn't through sheer launch power, but through its ability to gimp recovery while allowing Sonic to get back safely to stage. If your opponent is recovering low, just run right off the stage and f-air them away, retreat to the ledge to refresh your jumps, and repeat. If they're recovering high, use your jump power to intercept and pressure them back into the void.
  
• Alternately, on compatable stages you can easily b-air low-recovering, high-ish % opponents back into the stage geometry, often resulting in a Stage Spike straight into the pits of hell, or at least a considerable bounce-back recovery gimp.
  
• Homing Attack isn't the GREATEST, of course, but once you learn its range it can be a good mix-up strat for recovery, or a fun and effective way of getting around projectile spammers like the Links.
  
• Lastly, as I believe Maple Leaf mentioned, many of Sonic's moves defy "counters" like Shulk's Vision, Little Mac's Slip Counter, etc, because THEY'RE TOO SLO-OOW. Don't get cocky, but know that even with perfect reflexes, NO Little Mac or Ike player can actually hurt you by countering your Spin Dash Rolls.
  

More information as I discover and/or remember it!

Regy Rusty posted:

Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W32Rw3f3lcs

NO LISTEN TO ME posted:

Anyone else in here who mains Game & Watch? I feel like I need a support group, I feel so alone. No one likes this flat man.

Louisgod posted:

I've found with G&W when you're doing a jump recovery from an edge that immediately using his down-a aerial catches people off guard. I think it works with both Links fairly well too.

Keiya posted:

So I don't have this game yet, does it have at least one or two songs from the Sonic R soundtrack? If there's none of those on top of no YOU'RE TOO SLOW then they really must hate Sonic...

seiferguy posted:

What's the best way to reveal 100% of the wall during credits? My best result was with Ike using his up + B over and over again, but I only got to about 99.8%.

seiferguy posted:

What's the best way to reveal 100% of the wall during credits? My best result was with Ike using his up + B over and over again, but I only got to about 99.8%.

PoPcornTG posted:

Any tips for playing as Sonic?

Sade posted:

DoctorWhat posted:

I've also discovered more cool poo poo since then!

• SKID-CANCELLING
  
  There's a way to pop out F-smashes really quick and cool-like. It's tricky to learn at first, but basically, whenever you let go of the left stick in order to stop running, Sonic will slide for a bit and enter a "skidding" animation. This means that, for a short while after "telling" Sonic to stop running, you're STILL stuck in a "running" state, meaning that (other than u-smashes, specials, grabs, and aerials) the only thing you can do is a dash attack. Bummer, right?
  
  Well, here's the neat bit: partway through the "skidding" animation, there's a VERY LOUD "skidding" sound effect. The INSTANT that SFX starts playing, you can interrupt the skidding animation with ANY ground action - shielding, jabbing, any tilt, or ANY SMASH ATTACK in EITHER direction. THIS is how you use Sonic's F-smash to murder people.
  
  HOWEVER, there IS a catch. Sonic actually has TWO "running" states, depending on how long you've been in the dash for. The above advice only applies to the "long" running state. You can tell which "state" you were in based on Sonic's stopping animation. If he slides with both feet planted on the ground, you haven't been running long enough, and the recovery time is actually LONGER, and there's no audio cue. BUMMER!
  
  
  
• THE SPINSHOT
  
  Okay, this is the Good poo poo, now. Sonic has an advanced recovery technique called the "Spinshot". The Spinshot allows for varied approach options, improved/varied horizontal recovery, and mindgames. And best of all, performing the Spinshot (on Wii U) requires basically ZERO effort, timing, or special dexterity.
  
  There are two varients to the Spinshot: grounded, and aerial. The GROUNDED Spinshot is also known as the Instant Spin Dash Jump (ISDJ) or the Thok. The AERIAL Spinshot... is just called "the Spinshot". While they have some slightly different properties, they're both executed the exact same way:
  
  Start charging Sonic's Down-B (the "Spin Charge"). This does NOT work with his Side-B ("Spin Dash"). Once Sonic's revved up ANY amount, let go of down and B, point the left stick towards [the the direction you were facing when you started the Charge], and slam the C-stick in ANY direction.
  
  When performed on the ground, Sonic will instantly perform an EXTREMELY long jump at regular-jump height (it's as long as Battlefield!), during most of which he has a persistant hitbox akin to jumping out of a rolling Spin Dash/Spin Charge. You can perform any aerial, including Nairs, out of this "slingshot" jump. Its trajectory is COMPLETELY fixed, until interrupted by an aerial.
  
  The aerial spinshot is almost identical, but with two major caveats: ONE, aerial Spinshots lack the passive hitbox of the "Thok". TWO: More importantly, you can ONLY perform the spinshot if you STILL HAVE YOUR DOUBLE-JUMP IN RESERVE. (Performing the spinshot will consume your double-jump, but since it's an objective improvement over the usual double-jump in terms of recovery, I'd wager that's fair.)
  

Learn to use the Spinshot and to skid-cancel Sonic's ground moves, and you'll be even MORE mobile, fluid, and powerful than ever before!

Sitting Bull posted:

ive been playing lots of g&w

- spam his food whenever you can. just toss out 2-3 in most cases since the cooldown frames are atrocious
- use his jab, and his down tilt, a LOT. they are excellent moves
- up b to down A is a decent combo but don't get predictable
- only smash really worth using is his down smash, imo. hits both sides with good range, comes up very fast, decent kill potential if you are close to the edge
- his nair is huge, and is 'out' for a lot of frames. you can almost short hop nair spam the same way you would with shulk if you wanna get really ballsy, but don't get launched!!

grab to side b is really really fickle, i've only been able to consistently land it on fairly heavy characters. side b really shines after a block though, since it comes out super fast. you should try to land it every time you block a move, until it becomes predictable.

edit: also learn to use oil panic, since it hits SUPER loving hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZWhLNl7kM4

ClassicFascist posted:

My roommate bought this and its the first smash game I've played with any amount of consistency. I'm having a blast with it! That being said I'm also pretty bad at it. I've taken a liking to wario with his motorcycle and ability to chew on people. Is there any specific tips and tricks when using wario? His fart move confuses me most, it doesn't seem to do much (any?) damage. I've looked for guides but most seem to be on brawl and I'm not sure how much has changed.

Bobnumerotres posted:

use the bike a LOT
use his dair a lot
use his taunts a lot

he is a very difficult character though, most of his kills will come from edge guarding.

mabels big day posted:

dash attack good. bite good. bike good. up b bad. down air bad if you miss. other airs good. all throws good. up smash good. forward smash bad if you miss. that's wario.

mabels big day posted:

always eat bike if its on stage

Bobnumerotres posted:

also, the fart is not limited to the actual fart. wario himself becomes a deathball and anyone he comes in contact with during his uprising will meet with a terrible fate

Kaubocks posted:

I asked in the Imp Zone thread and here's what I got:

ClassicFascist posted:

Thanks!

Is there any benefit from taunting other than it's funny?

ClassicFascist posted:

Thanks!

Is there any benefit from taunting other than it's funny?

ClassicFascist posted:

Thanks!

Is there any benefit from taunting other than it's funny?

Sitting Bull posted:

NO LISTEN TO ME posted:

The only reason why you would not taunt is if you're playing as Dedede, in which case you just crouch.

ClassicFascist posted:

My roommate bought this and its the first smash game I've played with any amount of consistency. I'm having a blast with it! That being said I'm also pretty bad at it. I've taken a liking to wario with his motorcycle and ability to chew on people. Is there any specific tips and tricks when using wario? His fart move confuses me most, it doesn't seem to do much (any?) damage. I've looked for guides but most seem to be on brawl and I'm not sure how much has changed.

NO LISTEN TO ME posted:

The only reason why you would not taunt is if you're playing as Dedede, in which case you just crouch.

PantsBandit posted:

This trumps the crouch.

DoctorWhat posted:

I've also discovered more cool poo poo since then!

• SKID-CANCELLING
  
  There's a way to pop out F-smashes really quick and cool-like. It's tricky to learn at first, but basically, whenever you let go of the left stick in order to stop running, Sonic will slide for a bit and enter a "skidding" animation. This means that, for a short while after "telling" Sonic to stop running, you're STILL stuck in a "running" state, meaning that (other than u-smashes, specials, grabs, and aerials) the only thing you can do is a dash attack. Bummer, right?
  
  Well, here's the neat bit: partway through the "skidding" animation, there's a VERY LOUD "skidding" sound effect. The INSTANT that SFX starts playing, you can interrupt the skidding animation with ANY ground action - shielding, jabbing, any tilt, or ANY SMASH ATTACK in EITHER direction. THIS is how you use Sonic's F-smash to murder people.
  
  HOWEVER, there IS a catch. Sonic actually has TWO "running" states, depending on how long you've been in the dash for. The above advice only applies to the "long" running state. You can tell which "state" you were in based on Sonic's stopping animation. If he slides with both feet planted on the ground, you haven't been running long enough, and the recovery time is actually LONGER, and there's no audio cue. BUMMER!
  
  
  
• THE SPINSHOT
  
  Okay, this is the Good poo poo, now. Sonic has an advanced recovery technique called the "Spinshot". The Spinshot allows for varied approach options, improved/varied horizontal recovery, and mindgames. And best of all, performing the Spinshot (on Wii U) requires basically ZERO effort, timing, or special dexterity.
  
  There are two varients to the Spinshot: grounded, and aerial. The GROUNDED Spinshot is also known as the Instant Spin Dash Jump (ISDJ) or the Thok. The AERIAL Spinshot... is just called "the Spinshot". While they have some slightly different properties, they're both executed the exact same way:
  
  Start charging Sonic's Down-B (the "Spin Charge"). This does NOT work with his Side-B ("Spin Dash"). Once Sonic's revved up ANY amount, let go of down and B, point the left stick towards [the the direction you were facing when you started the Charge], and slam the C-stick in ANY direction.
  
  When performed on the ground, Sonic will instantly perform an EXTREMELY long jump at regular-jump height (it's as long as Battlefield!), during most of which he has a persistant hitbox akin to jumping out of a rolling Spin Dash/Spin Charge. You can perform any aerial, including Nairs, out of this "slingshot" jump. Its trajectory is COMPLETELY fixed, until interrupted by an aerial.
  
  The aerial spinshot is almost identical, but with two major caveats: ONE, aerial Spinshots lack the passive hitbox of the "Thok". TWO: More importantly, you can ONLY perform the spinshot if you STILL HAVE YOUR DOUBLE-JUMP IN RESERVE. (Performing the spinshot will consume your double-jump, but since it's an objective improvement over the usual double-jump in terms of recovery, I'd wager that's fair.)
  

Learn to use the Spinshot and to skid-cancel Sonic's ground moves, and you'll be even MORE mobile, fluid, and powerful than ever before!

Probad posted:

All of these Sonic effort posts are disgusting. I hope I never run into someone who knows how to play him.