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Mikemo Tyson posted:I recently built a new computer and bought a heatsink that takes up a ton of space. I can't put my graphics card into the x16 slot so I put it in x8. Will this hamstring my gpus performance? I have a gtx970. Traditionally the answer has been "no", like 1-2%  Stuff changes though, but even then I can't imagine if its much. DarthBlingBling posted:Well I'm assuming an old router doesn't have a 5GHz wireless mode. 2.4GHz will not cut it whatsoever Correct me if I'm wrong but theres no practical speed difference (I thought) between those two frequencies. A 2.4ghz only router might be indicative of a slower standard but not because its operating at 2.4ghz. Also the 2.4ghz can be crowded and affect performance but little to do with the frequency itself. While this might seem moot, I'd be wary of assuming a 5.0 ghz router is fast because its 5.0 ghz
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Mikemo Tyson posted:I recently built a new computer and bought a heatsink that takes up a ton of space. I can't put my graphics card into the x16 slot so I put it in x8. Will this hamstring my gpus performance? I have a gtx970. EDIT: Beaten, but here is a an even more recent article that shows the difference is non-existent. kuddles fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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1gnoirents posted:Traditionally the answer has been "no", like 1-2% As I said, it's not faster, but it will have lower latency which is vital when streaming live video. DarthBlingBling fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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It has slightly better encoding.Generic Monk posted:Isn't 2.4GHZ actually less affected by walls and other obstacles than 5GHZ? Sure I heard that somewhere It's probably that 2.4Ghz is just way more crowded where he is and since you only have 3 generally non-overlapping 20Mhz channels for 2.4Ghz vs a ton more open channels in 5Ghz. You end up with faster speed if you used 5Ghz. A moderate/weak but clear 5Ghz signal is much much better and faster than a strong 2.4Ghz in a crowded environment with tons of interference.
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DarthBlingBling posted:As I said, it's not faster, but it will have lower latency which is vital when streaming live video. Ahh I figured the bandwidth had little to do with latency here.
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Generic Monk posted:Isn't 2.4GHZ actually less affected by walls and other obstacles than 5GHZ? Sure I heard that somewhere Yes but there is usual more interference in that band because it carrys father. You are more likely to get some signal from your neighbors Wi-Fi and other wireless device.
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Basic radio signal rule of thumb: Higher frequency signals have higher potential bandwidth (more waveforms to modulate and encode information), but less ability to penetrate (shorter wavelength/more readily absorbed and interfered with). Modulation techniques, interference, and signal strength all affect this, but those things being reasonably equal, it holds true.
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Thought this was neat, Asus Mini-ITX 970 uses a different fan design than anything I've seen before and they compare it to another fan of the same size and RPM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=totFkHQftaI I guess the fin design mixes up the air better to be more effective overall? Or it could all be marketing fluff, but seems legit from the video. Edit: Oh, huh, I see Asus has the identical cooler on the GTX 670. Maybe they patented the fan design? If it's so much better I wonder who no one else has done anything that fancy with their fans. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Zero VGS posted:Thought this was neat, Asus Mini-ITX 970 uses a different fan design than anything I've seen before and they compare it to another fan of the same size and RPM: Generally what always is the case is that its like 1% better at the end of the day, or worse. Sometimes thats good enough for some applications (think military rotors, submarine propellers, turbine blades) but for something like a GPU nobody else is going to spend the R&D to even copy it when the real numbers come through edit: lmao my cancer is gone 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Yeah, it was kind of interesting a year and a half ago, ASUS ended up using that hybrid traditional/blower frankenfan in several of their cards, sometimes just with one CoolTech fan and one traditional fan on the silicon itself. The other part about ASUS's mini-ITX 670/760/970 cooler is that you'll notice it doesn't have heat pipes like the Gigabyte 970. It uses one o' them newfangled vapor chamber deals, and probably the smallest one ever made OEM on a GPU. It was originally designed for the 670, however, which I suppose isn't too different from the 970 since it was also a mid-range part with a similiar sized 28nm process, but fitment and its correlation with overall cooling effectiveness is what I'm still concerned about.
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IDK if this has been said, but 5ghz is really useful if you have a land line phone that is on 2.4, for instance. There are other electronic items in the household that are wireless and on 2.4ghz, but a wireless phone on a land line would be chief among them as a candidate to interfere with the signal. Other computers might be taking up some of that bandwidth, as well as your cell phone even, if you keep it connected to wireless while you're home (which you should). That said, if you're on 2.4 and worried about speed, you can always turn off wifi on your phone, and you can disconnect your land line if you even have one. Other peoples' land line wireless phone might even be interfering, but I don't know the range of those phones.
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Just wire that poo poo up. If it involves gaming shove an ethernet cable in it. If others in the house whine about a 30 metre ethernet cable looking ugly, tell them it's for the greater good.
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Any recommendations for quiet case fans (120mm) that aren't at noctua-prices?
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Radio Talmudist posted:Any recommendations for quiet case fans (120mm) that aren't at noctua-prices? The cheaper noctuas? For something you buy once and rarely replace its OK to splurge
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Radio Talmudist posted:Any recommendations for quiet case fans (120mm) that aren't at noctua-prices? Phanteks fans are cheaper and better than Noctuas. More super silent focused fans are Nanoxia Deep Silence fans. Don't buy Noctua's unless you absolutely have to, they are stupidly overpriced. Edit: wait why is this in the graphics card thread? BurritoJustice fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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BurritoJustice posted:Phanteks fans are cheaper and better than Noctuas. More super silent focused fans are Nanoxia Deep Silence fans. Don't buy Noctua's unless you absolutely have to, they are stupidly overpriced. Well they're to cool my R9 290 which has been ramping up its fans to ungodly levels, but I should have mentioned that
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Radio Talmudist posted:Well they're to cool my R9 290 which has been ramping up its fans to ungodly levels, but I should have mentioned that I'd sooner say to put an aftermarket cooler on it, like grabbing a NZXT G10 and a cheap closed loop liquid cooler. Or sell your card and use the money you would've spent on expensive fans to get a 970 which is a whack faster, but more importantly draws half the power and is hence super quiet and cool.
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Looks like Nvidia is going 16nm in Q2 2015. http://wccftech.com/tsmc-produce-16nm-finfet-nvidia-gpus/
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BurritoJustice posted:I'd sooner say to put an aftermarket cooler on it, like grabbing a NZXT G10 and a cheap closed loop liquid cooler. I agree whole heartily. Case fans add up quick, especially the kind that really help with a heat issue. The cost of the G10 and budget AIO totally rumps case fans when you see what you get out of it. Buuut selling the 290 and using that aio money for a 970 is simply better. The 970 is really hard to beat.
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1gnoirents posted:edit: lmao my cancer is gone
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Black Dynamite posted:Looks like Nvidia is going 16nm in Q2 2015. quote:Since mass production is scheduled for mid 2015, we should see 16nm FinFET GPUs by Q3 2015 at the earliest. 
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Black Dynamite posted:Looks like Nvidia is going 16nm in Q2 2015. Guess I'll be riding this 560 Ti into the gr-oh it's WCCFtech. I wait much longer I'll be replacing this card with integrated video, and for performance reasons.
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Don Lapre posted:1080ti on a 300w psu here i come Soon we'll just be plugging in with a 12v wall wart
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1gnoirents posted:Case fans add up quick, especially the kind that really help with a heat issue. Recommending firesaling his GPU + using that money and spending around ~$100 to buy a 970 or watercooling instead of just a well positioned 120mm fan doesn't make a whole lot of sense if he just needs to keep his GPU cool enough not to ramp the fans so much. Seems to me lately lots of people in this thread have totally lost their rationality lately when it comes to the 970. Its a good card but its not THAT good.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Huh? A single 120mm fan helps lots and you can get a decent one for around $10-15 that will be reliable, quiet, and push a good amount of air. No matter how many case fans you put in front of it, the 290 reference cooler will still be a loud piece of poo poo. I did first suggest fans to him, but in my mind getting proper cooling on the card is a far better choice. A twenty dollar bracket and a forty dollar water cooling unit will make the card completely inaudible. The hundred dollar difference to a 970 will get him an inaudible card as well as half the TDP and %20+ more performance. Just three different tiers of options as far as expenditure goes.
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BurritoJustice posted:No matter how many case fans you put in front of it, the 290 reference cooler will still be a loud piece of poo poo. BurritoJustice posted:I did first suggest fans to him, but in my mind getting proper cooling on the card is a far better choice. A twenty dollar bracket and a forty dollar water cooling unit will make the card completely inaudible. The hundred dollar difference to a 970 will get him an inaudible card as well as half the TDP and %20+ more performance. Personally I'm fairly noise tolerant. About the only fan noise that ever bothered me were those 40mm Delta Black Label 10,000rpm fans from back in the day. It was less the noise and more the high pitch SCREEEEEEEEEEECH they put out that was irritating about them. But that is just me. The 970 certainly does run cooler but its not going to give 20% extra performance, at least not at stock clocks, where it often trades blows with the R9 290 at 1440p. If you want to compare overclocked 970 vs overclocked 290 then yes the 970 does tend to overclock higher and more consistently than the 290. You still can't count on that extra 20% performance being there though. GPU's are just plain more of a crapshoot than CPU's like Sandy Bridge to overclock.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Huh? A single 120mm fan helps lots and you can get a decent one for around $10-15 that will be reliable, quiet, and push a good amount of air. Between trying to stop a 290 from being loud with case fans and 970, its entirely rational. I've only ever seen a maximum 5 degree drop with case fans (and that was however many fans an Antec 300 case could take). If you think a single case fan will make any difference for a reference 290 in whatever case or sitauation you might have, then definitely go for it, since like you said that's $15. But when its two, three... I think there has been a little overselling of the 970, but really it cut the cost of every high end AMD card MSRP almost in half in one week and doubled nvidias performance per dollar the day it was released. It's pretty good. edit: and just read your next post, all fine except if you can't get your nvidia card within 50 mhz of what every other person can overclock it too - return it. Its way less of a crapshoot than cpus. People get pissed off when they can't get within 13 mhz of whatever the "standard" is for nvidia cards. I've had 13 nvidia cards this year and every single one got to 1228 mhz - because that's what they all got to really. Now its ~1450 or something. I truly believe the only reason AMD cards aren't the same way is because of the heat they generate placing way more overclocking bottlenecks on the cooling they come with edit2: well you did say sandy bridge but , still edit3: Star War Sex Parrot posted:You're welcome. Thanks  Ponyta was getting pretty annoying
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1gnoirents posted:I agree whole heartily. Case fans add up quick, especially the kind that really help with a heat issue. The cost of the G10 and budget AIO totally rumps case fans when you see what you get out of it. You're telling me... I bought two Cougar 120mm fans, an H110, and a NZXT Sentry Mix 2 controller for $188. I had a CM Nepton 280L, but it doesn't fit the C70. The c70 uses 20mm spacing on the top rad space, the 280L users 15mm...
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1gnoirents posted:I've only ever seen a maximum 5 degree drop with case fans 1gnoirents posted:but really it cut the cost of every high end AMD card MSRP almost in half in one week and doubled nvidias performance per dollar the day it was released. It's pretty good. 1gnoirents posted:People get pissed off when they can't get within 13 mhz of whatever the "standard" is for nvidia cards. 1gnoirents posted:I've had 13 nvidia cards this year and every single one got to 1228 mhz - because that's what they all got to really. Now its ~1450 or something. I truly believe the only reason AMD cards aren't the same way is because of the heat they generate placing way more overclocking bottlenecks on the cooling they come with I don't think the current GCN implementation OC's well no matter the cooling short of liquid nitrogen where I think the best most get is around 1.5Ghz so around a 50% OC. I'm sure Maxwell would beat that with liquid nitrogen cooling too.
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Pretty much every 970 under the sun will run at 1500mhz+. There are even cards released that run 1420mhz stock clocks (Galax HOF). That is a 35%~ increase over the stock 1100mhz clock, and leads to a pretty hefty advantage over the 290 considering that the 970 is faster than a 290x at stock. What 1gnorient was saying about 13mhz is if peoples cards are clocking 13mhz (one boost bin) less than what are expected from 900 series cards (1500~), then it is a fairly anomalous disappointment, not 13mhz from stock.
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BurritoJustice posted:Pretty much every 970 under the sun will run at 1500mhz+. BurritoJustice posted:What 1gnorient was saying about 13mhz is if peoples cards are clocking 13mhz (one boost bin) less than what are expected from 900 series cards (1500~), then it is a fairly anomalous disappointment, not 13mhz from stock.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Yeah, it was kind of interesting a year and a half ago, ASUS ended up using that hybrid traditional/blower frankenfan in several of their cards, sometimes just with one CoolTech fan and one traditional fan on the silicon itself. Except that hybrid cooler was terrible. It was significantly louder and hotter than any other non reference design - it barely managed to outperform a reference cooler.
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At the time, I was too busy being happy with my 7970 from eBay so the fact that that cooler disappeared off the market slipped my mind
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New AMD driver is coming soon. (Link using Internet Archive, original page down). Handful of new features and fixes. Anyone jealous at DSR in NVIDIA cards now gets the same on AMD cards, for example. The name Catalyst Omega is vaguely nostalgic to anyone who tried custom drivers back in the day (Omega drivers). vv I'm pretty sure they were just some drivers that had modified config files and installer, to add some tweaks. I don't recall exactly what, but probably things like triple buffering in DX mode, overclocking limits raised, etc. I might have stumbled across them looking for drivers that would work on a mobile chipset not supported by the official drivers (usually just some inf file edits fixes that). Triple Edit: fixed link with wayback machine Quadruple edit: have a nice slide showing a summary of the new features  HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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I literally said "ohhh yeah", out loud after reading this sentence. Before I bing it myself, do you wish to describe what the Omega drivers were?
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HalloKitty posted:New AMD driver is coming soon. EDIT: Ah, nevermind. Some news sites made it sound like the actual drivers were posted early and then taken down. The_Franz fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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