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SHISHKABOB posted:go land on the moon and tell me the universe is awesome for life Its hardly proof against a universe filled with life. Its like saying because you don't see life on the first stepping stone in your garden, it must be lifeless.
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CommieGIR posted:Its hardly proof against a universe filled with life. Its like saying because you don't see life on the first stepping stone in your garden, it must be lifeless. There's a lot more than a few stepping stones out there that are barren of life! Not to mention most space is filled with uh hydrogen atoms haha, ain't no life there either.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:51
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SHISHKABOB posted:There's a lot more than a few stepping stones out there that are barren of life! Yes, because apparently SHISHKABOB has searched the millions of billions of galaxies and stars and found them wanting. Thanks for letting us know, we'll call off the search.
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Dec 4, 2014 20:57
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, because apparently SHISHKABOB has searched the millions of billions of galaxies and stars and found them wanting. Oh so you're saying that there's possible life floating around in the endless tracts of interstellar and intergalactic space? mhmm that makes sense Most space is not good for life. And by most I mean like the amount of space where life has a chance of existing is like really really small. "oh but we don't care about EMPTY SPACE" oh well then maybe you shouldn't say "the universe is good for life- wow!" because MOST OF IT IS NOT GOOD FOR LIFE.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:03
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SHISHKABOB posted:"oh but we don't care about EMPTY SPACE" oh well then maybe you shouldn't say "the universe is good for life- wow!" because MOST OF IT IS NOT GOOD FOR LIFE. Did I say that? Following Drake's Equation, there SHOULD be life elsewhere in the galaxy, its far better to say that we don't know that there isn't life elsewhere than to say that there is no way life exists elsewhere. SHISHKABOB posted:Oh so you're saying that there's possible life floating around in the endless tracts of interstellar and intergalactic space? Very possible, although we don't have any evidence for it yet. But at the end of the day, our small planet and its life in the grand scheme of the cosmos is not proof of a creator or privilege. We may just be a statistical anomaly in the cosmos, but more than likely that is all we are.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:24
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Whoah WHOAH whoah where are you going. I'm just saying that most of the universe is inhospitable. I made no claims about "is there life???????" Sure the earth is awesometastic to live on, but go a hundred kilometers away from it and you're dead!
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Dec 4, 2014 21:40
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SHISHKABOB posted:Whoah WHOAH whoah where are you going. I'm just saying that most of the universe is inhospitable. I made no claims about "is there life???????" So? Guess we better go nowhere. Stay here guys, no reason to leave
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Dec 4, 2014 21:43
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lol why would you think that, that's loving retarded. I think you're making some unfounded assumptions about my thoughts and what I'm trying to get across.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:45
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SHISHKABOB posted:lol why would you think that, that's loving retarded. I think you're making some unfounded assumptions about my thoughts and what I'm trying to get across. I think you are shitposting. But, it could just be me.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:45
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Yes we would die. But we have shown waterbears can survive in space. There is a chance that there are others who can as well. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also you're running on an assumption of life as we know it. Prior to the last few decades we thought all life required the sun in some fashion. Until we found life based around sulfur and lives in the bottom of the ocean surviving heat we couldn't imagine. There is no reason to believe that other forms of life don't exist. Stretch Marx fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 21:48
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The claim was made "the universe seems strangely good for life". I made the counterpoint that most of the universe is inhospitable to life. You took this as a claim that... there is no life outside earth? We have no reason to explore beyond earth? Imo you are the poo poo poster who isn't actually reading the posts to which he is responding.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:49
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SHISHKABOB posted:lol why would you think that, that's loving retarded. I think you're making some unfounded assumptions about my thoughts and what I'm trying to get across. your original post: SHISHKABOB posted:go land on the moon and tell me the universe is awesome for life I'm assuming was a response to the bolded part below: Kopijeger posted:If the creator of the universe "just exists" without having a cause, that sure would be strange! Why did the Creator emerge out of nothing? "It just did"? And soon the universe will be ruined by the heat death, and its entire inhabitable existence will be an incidental blip from the context of eternity? What a natural consequence of the observed properties of the universe. In which case you have misread that post entirely, and your initial argument appears to be with no one in particular.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:50
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duck monster posted:I believe the universe is not out to get me, so therefore God isn't real. Bro, I hate to break it to you, but God can just sit back and wait because he's already succeeded in trying to kill everybody by making them mortal. He's just murdering you through the slow process of cellular oxidation.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:51
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Bro, I hate to break it to you, but God can just sit back and wait because he's already succeeded in trying to kill everybody by making them mortal. He's just murdering you through the slow process of cellular oxidation. Why didn't he make the chemical process of cellular life more friendly to his creations!
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Dec 4, 2014 21:52
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steinrokkan posted:Proposition three and four are not the same, neither are they related. Right, but this isn't exactly a stringent discussion though, so I didn't see the point in providing the full inductive argument or stating the laws of conservation.
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Go land in the Panamint Range and tell me how the earth is awesome for life 
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Dec 4, 2014 21:57
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CommieGIR posted:Why didn't he make the chemical process of cellular life more friendly to his creations! I stand by the Catch 22 ethos that everything and everyone is out to kill you at all times. Even your own body is trying to kill you.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:58
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vestigial organic structures in humans boom, god as perfect designer disproven.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:59
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:I stand by the Catch 22 ethos that everything and everyone is out to kill you at all times. Even your own body is trying to kill you. drat Cancer and Oxygen consumption JawKnee posted:vestigial organic structures in humans Wisdom teeth
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Dec 4, 2014 21:59
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Bro, I hate to break it to you, but God can just sit back and wait because he's already succeeded in trying to kill everybody by making them mortal. He's just murdering you through the slow process of cellular oxidation. That just means I have to kill him first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0yVUaL9CWs
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Dec 4, 2014 22:21
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One argument I always had an issue with is the whole 'We're in just the right spot so it had to have been planned!' . . .Well if we weren't in the right spot we wouldn't be around to talk about how we were just in the right spot, so that means jack and poo poo on it needing to be 'planned'. And of course the circular logic of claiming the earth is a closed system when the sun exists.
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Dec 6, 2014 10:25
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Yeah, I can see an argument being made for it but Hegel is probably best thought of as a Christian rather than a pantheist: quote:God is not an abstraction but a concrete God...God, considered in terms of his eternal Idea, has to generate the Son, has to distinguish himself from himself; he is the process of differentiating, namely, love and Spirit He corresponded with and was influenced by Spinoza and it's possible he conflated Spirit with God enough to be considered one but ultimately I'd wager he'd prefer to be called a Christian.
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Dec 6, 2014 14:38
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JawKnee posted:I have this idea of the greatest possible hamburger... I have actually eaten the greatest possible hamburger. This is not a joke. Bugaboo Burger outside of Qualicum Bay. I cannot fathom a burger that is somehow better than the one sold out of that little roadside stand. More on topic: No, supernatural things like deities aren't real. They're a good way to sucker people out of money, though, kind of like Nigerian princes.
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Dec 6, 2014 15:13
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That's the weird thing about Nigerian prince scams, Nigeria's been a republic since 1963, these princes should've got their poo poo together by now.
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Stottie Kyek posted:That's the weird thing about Nigerian prince scams, Nigeria's been a republic since 1963, these princes should've got their poo poo together by now. They would have, but you didn't give them your bank details to shuffle that inheritence money around. :| You could've all made it rich, but no, you had to trust in 'skeptcism' instead.
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E-Tank posted:One argument I always had an issue with is the whole 'We're in just the right spot so it had to have been planned!' There's also a very basic contradiction. If an all-powerful being exists, there is no difference between "good" and "bad" areas for life. If God is out there, he could have humans swimming around in an infinite expanse of sulfuric acid, and those humans would be calling it "perfect for life."
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Let me tell you all about these puddles who formed after it rained one day. "How remarkable!" said one to the other "that we as bodies of water should just so happen to exist in depressions in the ground capable of containing us! Surely a benevolent god must have crafted the universe such that these depressions were here for us. Too shallow or too deep and we wouldn't be here at all!" Stupid loving puddles.
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Dec 7, 2014 01:55
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Any God that exists and allows goons to continue posting is not a God worth worshiping anyway, so who cares?
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paragon1 posted:Any God that exists and allows goons to continue posting is not a God worth worshiping anyway, so who cares? Or has a great sense of humor.
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Dec 9, 2014 01:59
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CommieGIR posted:Why didn't he make the chemical process of cellular life more friendly to his creations! God works in mysterious (and deadly) ways. You can't possibly understand god's grand plan, unless you realise that it is simply to kill you slowly in which case well done you for picking up on that. Edward Robert Harrison posted:Given enough time, hydrogen starts to wonder where it came from, and where it is going QED
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Dec 9, 2014 02:06
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In HElium we have eternal life huh?
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HBNRW posted:There is no reason to believe that other forms of life don't exist. This is kind of half-true. While there's definitely some room for other forms of life, the building blocks *are* limited and have been exposed to similar forces throughout the universe. I think it's probably extremely likely that if we find other life in the solar system that it will closely resemble very simple life here on Earth.
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Dec 9, 2014 02:42
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Space Whale posted:In HElium we have eternal life huh? Hence Christianity actually being a sun-worshiping religion. Stars make helium out of hydrogen, the reaction without which life as we know it at least could not occur. So we worship that. We just needed a more appropriate contextual story as we became more advanced. And to top it off, Lithium is the trinity of hydrogen atoms, and actually a psychiatric drug that flattens out your mood, coincidence I think not 
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Space Whale posted:In HElium we have eternal life huh? 
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markgreyam posted:Hence Christianity actually being a sun-worshiping religion. Stars make helium out of hydrogen, the reaction without which life as we know it at least could not occur. So we worship that. We just needed a more appropriate contextual story as we became more advanced. It's such a positive thing to consider isn't it 
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Dec 9, 2014 04:29
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markgreyam posted:Hence Christianity actually being a sun-worshiping religion. Stars make helium out of hydrogen, the reaction without which life as we know it at least could not occur. So we worship that. We just needed a more appropriate contextual story as we became more advanced. I think I would be okay with spiritual reverence of elements. Just so long as nobody starts worshiping radium.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:33
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Zeitgueist posted:Dorkins is so militant he hasn't published anything that wasn't a pop-atheism book for decades. Please don't compare Hitchens to Dick Dorkins. Dawkins can barely finish a sentence and he wants atheists to call themselves "brights" which is utterly retarded.
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markgreyam posted:Hence Christianity actually being a sun-worshiping religion. Stars make helium out of hydrogen, the reaction without which life as we know it at least could not occur. So we worship that. We just needed a more appropriate contextual story as we became more advanced. Jesus the Sun. It died, so that we might live
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There is a possible world where a necessary supernatural being exists. If it is possible that it is necessary for a supernatural being to exist, then it is necessary that this supernatural being exists. It is necessary that this being (God) exists.
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Let's kick this up a notch. Boltzmann Brain! and another: SOLIPSISM! You're god falsely remembering creation that never happened but sprang into being a moment ago, and created me through your imagination. WHOA
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