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Ugato posted:I am in this same boat. I don't know if there's just something about him that doesn't click, but he is just insanely hard for me. I had a double trouble Dingle boss room. It was mid way though a really nice cursed run. I had a full 8 hearts and a full yum heart and mediocre damage. I didn't survive more than what seemed like 30 seconds. Dingle took me a while to figure out but the trick I find is to stop shooting at him when he's charging unless you have some comically overpowered attack at that point. You can also use bombs to throw him off, if you wait until the third charge and stick a bomb in his path he'll get stuck on it, giving you a reliable bomb hit on him. Double Trouble Dingle is a pain in the rear end though since it's really hard to keep both on screen and the charge tell has no sound. So next thing you know the Dingle you weren't looking at is suddenly flying at you out of nowhere. Could be worse though. Could be Double Trouble Mask of Infamy. Is there a DT version of MOI? I have no idea, but now you're thinking about it and how horrible it would be! 
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I've been playing this on the ps4 and I've been kicking this game's rear end way harder than I ever did on the flash version, I'm wondering if it's the full analog control support. Anyone else having a similar experience going from kb to analog gamepad? I think I beat mom 10 times before my first death (to mega maw cause I didn't understand his fire movement right away).
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Dec 4, 2014 21:02
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I should point out tho I'm a super min-maxer in this game and explore every floor, try to find all the secret rooms and stretch out all my resources as far as they'll go (arcade machines sometimes but mostly beggars). That said, I've never seen the boss rush room in 30+ runs haha 
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Dec 4, 2014 21:05
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Dewgy posted:Dingle has one gimmick and one gimmick alone: When he starts to move, stop shooting at him. His trajectory is really insane when you shoot him, like Gurdy Jr. only worse. Otherwise he's harmless. I don't really have that issue with him - just those goddamn gurglings. They love to bounce of my tears and fly into me when I try to dodge. With Dingle you just need to watch his tells. I think he puffs ups his cheeks before he charges- and he charges 3 times in a row every time, just move perpendicular to him with each charge and he shouldn't hit you.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:07
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I agree with what No Wave said about secret rooms and ipecac. Used to be I'd be upset to see X-ray specs, but now those or the "I can see forever" pill are a great find. And where in original I usually killed myself with ipecac I can almost always pull a win with it now (especially finding secrets with it)
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Oxyclean posted:I don't really have that issue with him - just those goddamn gurglings. They love to bounce of my tears and fly into me when I try to dodge. yeah, dingle telegraphs all 3 of its attacks cheeks puffed: about to charge 3 times whistle: summons, then shoots grin/smile/whatever: shoots
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Oxyclean posted:I don't really have that issue with him - just those goddamn gurglings. They love to bounce of my tears and fly into me when I try to dodge. He hits me a lot ricocheting off the walls after he does his charge, it always seems to have more distance to it than you expect.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:32
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I hate Haunt's little ghosts, and the smaller half of Gemini/Steven. They bounce off of your shots and come back at you from a different angle, it's different than how every other enemy reacts when you shoot them.
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Waffle! posted:I hate Haunt's little ghosts, and the smaller half of Gemini/Steven. They bounce off of your shots and come back at you from a different angle, it's different than how every other enemy reacts when you shoot them. Gurgling, Gurdy Jr. and Dingle also do that when they're charging.
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Dec 4, 2014 21:41
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Gurgling, Gurdy Jr. and Dingle also do that when they're charging. Gurglings aren't too bad though, since they always start off straight horizontal or vertical, like Chub.
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Agent Kool-Aid posted:yeah, dingle telegraphs all 3 of its attacks I had trouble with him too for a while, I simplify this is my head a little by grouping the summon and the shots together since you end up having to do the same thing to dodge them and use 'eyes closed' to signal the charge for myself. I just stand on the side at a distance at get in-between two of the shots, and just like everyone else said stop shooting on the dash.
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Dewgy posted:Dingle has one gimmick and one gimmick alone: When he starts to move, stop shooting at him. His trajectory is really insane when you shoot him, like Gurdy Jr. only worse. Otherwise he's harmless. He's got some easy tells, once you learn them and get good at dodging his charge attacks, he's a piece of cake. If he's smiling, he's gonna spit at you, if he's whistling he summons adds, and if he gets angry he charges three times. Make sure you dodge to somewhere spacious so he doesn't box you in. He always goes straight to your current position, so try to sidestep as far as you can and he should miss you by a wide margin every time. It takes a bit of planning ahead but once it clicks it's perfectly doable. E: might have gotten one or two of the less important tells wrong but you get the idea. If there are poops on the ground you can hide behind them and laugh in his face the entire fight. Even better if you encounter him or the mini dingle splitting mobs randomly in a room with spikes, they will wreck his poo poo (  ) pretty much instantly.
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Or just hide behind some poop, he bounces off that.
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Apparently picking up Ipecac when you have Dr Fetus gives you immunity to your own bomb shots. That was a fun run. Spiders/flies helped a lot, everything they touched just exploded as well. Homing Tammy's Head: 
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What infinite roll combos are there? I'm trying to get Lv 4 Meat/Bandage but I've been having trouble getting the Wafer + Sharp Plug with Isaac. The combos that I know work are like: Wafer + Plug + Scapular Plug + Pyromaniac + Bombs or Kamikaze if you have access to it on the same floor Just trying to find options that work since getting Wafer + Plug + Scapular has been pretty hard to pull off to date.
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Kenishi posted:What infinite roll combos are there? I'm trying to get Lv 4 Meat/Bandage but I've been having trouble getting the Wafer + Sharp Plug with Isaac. Placenta'll do it, but it takes a long time.
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I have to ask again, does anyone know a way to restore saves via steam cloud? I'm still holding hope that they're not gone forever. Or did I screw myself when I opened the game to see that the saves were missing and closed it allowing steam cloud to synch with my now blank save slots?
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Ugato posted:I am in this same boat. I don't know if there's just something about him that doesn't click, but he is just insanely hard for me. I had a double trouble Dingle boss room. It was mid way though a really nice cursed run. I had a full 8 hearts and a full yum heart and mediocre damage. I didn't survive more than what seemed like 30 seconds. To be fair, I didn't ever unlock It Lives in the original either and I had 70 hours in it. How? I have no clue. I kinda realized that after I complained about it earlier.  Sibilant Crisp fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Mons Hubris posted:He hits me a lot ricocheting off the walls after he does his charge, it always seems to have more distance to it than you expect. The trick to dodging that is to move towards the direction he came from when he charges. This diagram is bad but try to position him like this, and you'll see in the top picture there's no way for him to ricochet to that area of the room. If you move like in the second picture he'll either bounce into you, or you'll be too close to dodge his next charge if you don't have high movement speed. 
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So those solid unbreakable blocks straight out of the Legend of Zelda. Has anyone tried pushing them around? Because the occasional secret pushable block would be super appropriate. Make it so it would work only after you clear out the room.
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Sanctum posted:I have to ask again, does anyone know a way to restore saves via steam cloud? I'm still holding hope that they're not gone forever. Or did I screw myself when I opened the game to see that the saves were missing and closed it allowing steam cloud to synch with my now blank save slots? It should always get them from the Steam Cloud so far for me. I've played on a few different systems and the second I login as me, everything is there. If you're not getting that, something has gone very wrong. That's brutal, losing your saves in a game like this. Are you sure you didn't just accidentally disable the Steam Cloud?
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Kenishi posted:What infinite roll combos are there? I'm trying to get Lv 4 Meat/Bandage but I've been having trouble getting the Wafer + Sharp Plug with Isaac. I just discovered another combo that I didn't realize would work when I took it. Wafer + Plug + Dark Bum + Relic + Gimpy I had a buffer of soul hearts on Necro 2 and found D20. Used item shop donation machine to start it off and dark bum keeps me healed enough. Lets see if I can get that Lv4 Meat/Bandage now.
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No Wave posted:Thoughts on rebirth so far (having beaten chest/dark room/boss rush with all of the non-Lost characters as well as the challenges with better unlocks): You forgot that the Arcades have been massively rebalanced. It used to always be worth spending your coins in them if you weren't trying to run, but now, slot machines are a total crap shoot and often a waste of cash.
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Blazing Ownager posted:You forgot that the Arcades have been massively rebalanced. It used to always be worth spending your coins in them if you weren't trying to run, but now, slot machines are a total crap shoot and often a waste of cash. I find slot machines to be much better because of the buff to orbitals, quite often i'll ignore the shell game and spend all my money in the slots if I don't have any flies.
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Deacon of Delicious posted:So those solid unbreakable blocks straight out of the Legend of Zelda. Has anyone tried pushing them around? Because the occasional secret pushable block would be super appropriate. Make it so it would work only after you clear out the room. Thats the first thing I did when I saw them, but unfortunately in my room it had no effect (all 4 and all 4 directions!)
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 Eve.png I would really like an eve game where I actually get some spirit hearts 
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 That was close.  Bought the bible maybe 30 seconds before the time without even knowing where the boss is.
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beep by grandpa posted:I've been playing this on the ps4 and I've been kicking this game's rear end way harder than I ever did on the flash version, I'm wondering if it's the full analog control support. Anyone else having a similar experience going from kb to analog gamepad? I think I beat mom 10 times before my first death (to mega maw cause I didn't understand his fire movement right away). This. I could never beat even womb 1 on kb, gamepad seems like a must in this game.
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quote:Stop shooting dummy Well that's my issue for sure. I didn't realize it was that much of a factor but I'll give that a try the next time around. I have no problems determining what he's going to do, I'm just chronically incapable of avoiding it. I have never had a problem with the poopling things but even the spreadshot seems to be the perfect spacing to make it hard to dodge around and between. Thanks for the tips though. E: VVVV and I will attest to this as well. I wasn't able to get to mom's level the first time around in the original version or in wrath of the lamb. Finally just moved on to other things after about 20 total hours. I've beaten mom twice now and spent under 10 in rebirth. Still using a keyboard. Ugato fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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The game is easier than WoL, in my opinion. Not a gamepad thing.
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Digging up a dead horse to beat it some more, but I recently had the issue of picking up the wrong drop from Mom. It seems some of the time there isn't a delay between her dying and the rewards appearing. I don't know how to replicate it but it happened when RIGHT as she died the Polaroid popped underneath me as I was moving across the room to avoid a tear or something. It seems like it isn't intended given how it isn't the same every time, so I hope it is fixed at some point.
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Locke Dunnegan posted:Digging up a dead horse to be at it some more, but I recently had the issue of picking up the wrong drop from Mom. It seems some of the time there isn't a delay between her dying and the rewards appearing. I don't know how to replicate it but it happened when RIGHT as she died the Polaroid popped underneath me as I was moving across the room to avoid a tear or something. It seems like it isn't intended given how it isn't the same every time, so I hope it is fixed at some point. Yeah I brought this up earlier in the thread and somebody argued with me that there's this huge delay between when she dies and when the items drop. That's not always the case.
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Ilustforponydeath posted:This. I could never beat even womb 1 on kb, gamepad seems like a must in this game. I'm too used to the keyboard, but I'm learning to play with a gamepad. It always takes me a second to remember which shoulder button drops bombs and which uses the consumable.
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SuicideSnowman posted:Yeah I brought this up earlier in the thread and somebody argued with me that there's this huge delay between when she dies and when the items drop. That's not always the case. it just happened to me the last time i played, as well
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IMJack posted:I'm too used to the keyboard, but I'm learning to play with a gamepad. It always takes me a second to remember which shoulder button drops bombs and which uses the consumable. This was a really dumb decision from them and I immediately changed bombs to shift.
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Blazing Ownager posted:It should always get them from the Steam Cloud so far for me. I've played on a few different systems and the second I login as me, everything is there. If you're not getting that, something has gone very wrong. That's brutal, losing your saves in a game like this. I might experiment with using steam achievement manager and alt-F2 restore to see if I can customize what I've unlocked by undoing achievements.
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No Wave posted:8.) Seems even more soul heart heavy than WotL In raw drops, sure. Taking away the past-meter soul heart thing made soul hearts less game-breaking though, Book of Revelations kinda blows now. Ilustforponydeath posted:This. I could never beat even womb 1 on kb, gamepad seems like a must in this game. So I play exclusively on keyboard and
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Every game goons say you need a gamepad to play (Super Meat Boy, Dark Souls) I've beaten just fine with a keyboard. This game plays fine with a keyboard as well.
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Controller versus keyboard is just a preference thing in this game. It's not like Dark Souls where keyboard and mouse is just objectively worse compared to a controller.
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