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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

rotor posted:

im not sure where this 1-page resume rule came from but I think its dumb. I mean I don't want to hear about what you did in high school but I do want to hear about where you worked and what you did there in more detail than

2006-2010: Engineer at Cisco Systems, worked on networking applications

1 page is because thats all anyone is actually going to read

the alternative is a european style cv which has literally everything you've ever done back to grade school or some poo poo

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:26

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# ? May 9, 2024 22:55

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

i got a resume once that was designed to look like a menu. Like he had FTE jobs listed under "Entrees" and contract gigs under "A la Carte" and personal projects under "Appetizers" and a bunch of insane poo poo like that there

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:27

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

hobbesmaster posted:

1 page is because thats all anyone is actually going to read

everyone says that but it's not true

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:27

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

rotor posted:

im not sure where this 1-page resume rule came from but I think its dumb. I mean I don't want to hear about what you did in high school but I do want to hear about where you worked and what you did there in more detail than

2006-2010: Engineer at Cisco Systems, worked on networking applications

we had a thing last year where we had an HR woman from Morgan Stanley read our resumes and then sit down and tell us how bad they were and what to change on them

one of the main things she pushed was we really, really had to keep it 1 sheet. said she got really annyoed having multiple bits of paper lol

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:27

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

So I was looking for jobs outside the city and everything is PHP hahahah

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:28

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

i mean yeah the first page should be a good summary but by all means, list out your significant accomplishments. If it only takes one page to do that, man i dont know if i really want to hire you.

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:28

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Make 3 or 4. a one page one, a three page one, one that involves some ... exaggeration which you might be able to get away with to the right person and something specialised.

Seriously every loving muppet agency recruitment consultant has their own theory on how a cv should be, just do some that covers all bases so whenever you hear 'oh i think your cv needs more detail' or 'oh your cv is too long, could you tighten it up' for the millionth time you just have it to send and can just say 'sure i'll get right on that!' and send one of em

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:35

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

your resume should be one page because anybody who gives a poo poo should be able to pull up your linkedin/personal website/whatever for deets

(nobody gives a poo poo)

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:35

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

I got an interview by doing a half-page cover letter and a one-page resume in LaTeX, exported to PDF.

One guy recently had a 4.5-page resume that was wall-to-wall alphabet soup. He later claimed the interview was "unfair" because he didn't know what it would be abou.

Another guy, who didn't get an interview, had a disclaimer that he'd "formatted his resume for readability" and it was a solid, rectangular block of text where the font size got smaller as it went down the page.

This latest guy says he "codded" a system and everything is paragraphs instead of bullets.

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:42

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

THOSE SOUND LIKE PRETTY GOOD CANDIDATES

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:44

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

do you really want to work somewhere that is unwilling to read more than one short page of bullet items about a prospective employee?

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:46

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Yes

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:47

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

when its also the piece of paper they use to filter out a few hundred idiots to find the idiots that even get interviews, yes, it should be as short as humanly possible.

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:48

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Hiring people at my company takes like 6 months it's insane

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:49

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

rotor posted:

everyone says that but it's not true

it's true to a first approximation

recruiters are never gonna make it past reading your last two job titles
hr doesn't care about what you did five years ago
hiring managers and telephone screeners are lazy

i know i never read the second page, personally

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:54

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Bloody posted:

when its also the piece of paper they use to filter out a few hundred idiots to find the idiots that even get interviews, yes, it should be as short as humanly possible.

ding ding ding

recruiters read thousands of resumes

hr people read hundreds

i have like a dozen on my desk and hosed if i'm gonna read all eight pages of all of them

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:55

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

1 page would probably suit your typial terrible programmer anyway, it means less work with making a good enogh impression to get an interview

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:57

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

Steps to making a good resume:

Read the job description
Make your resume say how you have experience doing each task in the job description
Proofread

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:57

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA: May 29, 2008

rotor posted:

i got a resume once that was designed to look like a menu. Like he had FTE jobs listed under "Entrees" and contract gigs under "A la Carte" and personal projects under "Appetizers" and a bunch of insane poo poo like that there

pff that's nothing

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:59

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

post the version w/o black bars

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:59

Feral Integral: Jun 6, 2006; YOSPOS

If you didn't have a degree but wanted to get a programming job what kind of poo poo would you wow them with? Just like an online portfolio utilizing the technology they're expecting candidates to be well-versed in? Never thought of giving a compsci job a shot before i finish my degree, but man do i need money and that poo poo pays so much better than what im doing now just scraping by. I know a fair amount about poo poo, especially python since all my hobby horseshit has always been done with tthat.

Any thoughts?

Edit tldr: yeah i can prob bullshit a decent resume but is it reasonable to even expect them to take a non-degree candidate seriously? One job description I read on one of these sites said "object oriented programmer" needed. lbmo i can do some "object oriented programming" for 100k a year

Feral Integral fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Dec 4, 2014

# ? Dec 4, 2014 22:59

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

is there any reason behind the way that python sometimes messes with stuff upstream and sometimes doesnt? i haven't found the pattern yet but it seems like it is usually "the opposite of what Corla is expecting"

edit, sorry, example:

code:

a=1
b=a
b+=1

sometimes this kind of thing can make changes to 'b' gently caress with 'a', but not always(???)

why

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:07

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Corla Plankun posted:

is there any reason behind the way that python sometimes messes with stuff upstream and sometimes doesnt? i haven't found the pattern yet but it seems like it is usually "the opposite of what Corla is expecting"

edit, sorry, example:
code:
a=1
b=a
b+=1
sometimes this kind of thing can make changes to 'b' gently caress with 'a', but not always(???)

why

Corla Plankun posted:

python

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:10

Deacon of Delicious: Aug 20, 2007; I bet the twist ending is Dracula's dick-babies

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

pff that's nothing

hey it's only one page PERFECTION

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:31

dbcooper: Mar 21, 2008; Yams Fan

chmods please posted:

custom distribution from activestate

Was ActiveState picked b/c Strawberry Perl didn't exist at the time or what?

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:31

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

Corla Plankun posted:

is there any reason behind the way that python sometimes messes with stuff upstream and sometimes doesnt? i haven't found the pattern yet but it seems like it is usually "the opposite of what Corla is expecting"

edit, sorry, example:
code:
a=1
b=a
b+=1
sometimes this kind of thing can make changes to 'b' gently caress with 'a', but not always(???)

why

why not

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:34

Forgall: Oct 16, 2012; by Azathoth

Corla Plankun posted:

is there any reason behind the way that python sometimes messes with stuff upstream and sometimes doesnt? i haven't found the pattern yet but it seems like it is usually "the opposite of what Corla is expecting"

edit, sorry, example:
code:
a=1
b=a
b+=1
sometimes this kind of thing can make changes to 'b' gently caress with 'a', but not always(???)

why

(not a python programmer and also see thread title, so take this with a grain of salt)

That depends on whether value is of mutable or immutable type. Numbers, strings, tuples, frozensets and maybe some other types are immutable. In your example

code:

a = 1 // new integer object is created and assigned value 1, a references it
b = a // different integer object is created and assigned value 1, b references it
b += 1 // another integer object is created and assigned value of b+1, b now references it. Old object b used to point to is forgotten. 
//a no longer has anything to do with all this.
//(well, interpreter probably doesn't allocate new memory and collect old one every time you increment an integer, but that's implementation detail)

With mutable types, like lists etc, assigning a to b will make b point to same object as a.

code:

a = [] // new list object is created, a references it
b = a // no new objects are created, b references same object as a
b.append(a_thing) // a_thing is added to the list which is referenced by both a and b

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:47

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

can someone post the legend of zelda pointer analogy thing

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:49

Series DD Funding: Nov 25, 2014; by exmarx

Bloody posted:

post the version w/o black bars

http://www.pjreddie.com/

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:50

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

goddamn

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:52

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Series DD Funding posted:

http://www.pjreddie.com/

Oh man the corporate ponies aha ahaha I'm dying

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:53

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

would it be weird if i emailed him and pretended to be a recruiter called diamond sunshine or is this a joke thats gone way over my head

# ? Dec 4, 2014 23:54

Papes: Apr 13, 2010; There's always something at the bottom of the bag.

what's the best resource for learning how to use laTex?

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:03

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Papes posted:

what's the best resource for learning how to use laTex?

bearded guys hanging out in the math department lounge

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:04

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetish_fashion

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:05

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

Papes posted:

what's the best resource for learning how to use laTex?

I installed some editor and found a site somewhere that had a pile of templates and went from there

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:20

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

today a used a method called 'check transaction history' (or something) and it started generating images

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:23

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

rotor posted:

bearded guys hanging out in the math department lounge

this is how I did it almost. Started with a bunch of articles on the LaTex wiki and templates to fill in, and when I hit issues I found a maths/CS guy on IRC that could debug everything without even seeing my LaTeX.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:33

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

Seaside Loafer posted:

here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetish_fashion

hehe

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:34

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# ? May 9, 2024 22:55

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

Corla Plankun posted:

is there any reason behind the way that python sometimes messes with stuff upstream and sometimes doesnt? i haven't found the pattern yet but it seems like it is usually "the opposite of what Corla is expecting"
sometimes this kind of thing can make changes to 'b' gently caress with 'a', but not always(???)

why

copy vs deepcopy
that's an issue with every language ever except func-lang with non-mutable everything.

it's just worse because plang attempt to hide a lot of the mechanics.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:37

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