Auspol December: All I want for Christmas is a new government.

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Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Surely the US can spare a few drones to murder the federal cabinet.

Maybe we should start a change.org petition asking them???

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:07

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 10:19

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I would hate to see Cairns die with the reef.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:10

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Nah gently caress qld. Seriously.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:15

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

The Welfare Lobby posted:

Apparently over 20% of the electorate pre-poll voted so it might be a lot closer than it looks.

Allegedly 24% were early/postal, so might not have a concrete result for days. The demographics have changed a bit in that area, although I wouldn't count out anti-Abbott sentiment helping the non-Liberal candidate. The state libs are pretty toxic too.

It's all very sad for me, Bob Such used to babysit me when I was a kid :smith:

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:18

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

Matthew Beet posted:

Nah gently caress qld. Seriously.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:19

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Nah mate all this fine state needs is a swing back to the ALP and the reef will be saved!

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:26

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Mr president we are willing to forgive the CIA for it's involvement in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam, if it orchestrates the death of Tony Abbott and his front bench.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:29

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

Anidav posted:

Nah mate all this fine state needs is a swing back to the ALP and the reef will be saved!

You got a point there. The libs Under joh were ready to drill for oil near the reef.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:35

homebrew: Mar 13, 2007; Needs more (safer) beer.

Matthew Beet posted:

Nah gently caress qld. Seriously.

Not empty quoting

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:37

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

Hey homebrew.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:41

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Systematic posted:

Hey homebrew.

At least you didn't wish him happy birthday.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:51

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

CrazyTolradi posted:

At least you didn't wish him happy birthday.

No no, you wish Fawlty7 happy birthday every day mate.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:56

homebrew: Mar 13, 2007; Needs more (safer) beer.

Systematic posted:

No no, you wish Fawlty7 happy birthday every day mate.

Fawlty7 got a jabber broadcast earlier.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:58

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

homebrew posted:

Fawlty7 got a jabber broadcast earlier.

I saw that, sadly I don't think he's at the PC right now, more important things happening *wink*

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:01

homebrew: Mar 13, 2007; Needs more (safer) beer.

Systematic posted:

I saw that, sadly I don't think he's at the PC right now, more important things happening *wink*

You'd better wish him Happy Birthday on FB then.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:01

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Pred1ct posted:

Am I reading that right, the intake was 20,000 and they're reducing it to 18,750, and that's somehow a concession?

The whole narrative of concessions is bullshit. They could have made these decisions at any time, they didn't need any legislation, it's just a bargaining tool. And poor old Muir fell for it despite wanting to do the right thing.

Great news speak right there, always use lots of words when a few will do. Like "Australia will now refoule refugees".

Yeah, as it said in the piece you quoted they had planned to reduce the refugee intake down to 13,500, but the poor dears had to make a concession and only reduce it down to 18,750.

Also OH MY loving GOD 5,000 reffos a year SWAMPED, SWAMPED I TELL YOU we're drowning under a brown tide

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:06

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

gently caress Australia. :suicide:

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:08

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Pred1ct posted:

Am I reading that right, the intake was 20,000 and they're reducing it to 18,750, and that's somehow a concession?

The whole narrative of concessions is bullshit. They could have made these decisions at any time, they didn't need any legislation, it's just a bargaining tool. And poor old Muir fell for it despite wanting to do the right thing.

Great news speak right there, always use lots of words when a few will do. Like "Australia will now refoule refugees".

Now you're getting it. For once, the con worked. Scott Morrison will probably be PM some time next year.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:09

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

ewe2 posted:

Now you're getting it. For once, the con worked. Scott Morrison will probably be PM some time next year.

Morrison as PM would pretty much ensure a Labor win.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:11

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

Step 1. Scott Morrison makes a bid for PM.

Step 2. Scott Morrison elected in a landslide victory.

Step 3. Gas chambers installed on Christmas Island and Nauru.

Step 4. I kill myself.

:lol:

just kidding I will have killed myself long before then

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:11

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

The only decent 'concession' of that load of horseshit was giving work rights to those on bridging visas.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:12

T-1000: Mar 28, 2010

ungulateman posted:

What's the opinion of this thread on work for the dole, and in particular it being reintroduced in remote areas (read: places where non-white people live)?

My family describes it as 'the last piece of socialism left in Australia' but I fail to see how paying people less than minimum wage for lovely work is in any way socialist???

A couple of things that I have heard as being wrong with work for the dole.
- to a large extent, the jobs aren't the sort of thing that you can put on your resume to get you employed in something better. So there's a big lost opportunity in skills training.
- work for the dole can contribute to unemployment. Suppose you are a low-skilled worker in a pretty crummy job - but hey, at least it's a job. Until your boss realises they can fire you, and replace you with someone on work for the dole, at a lower pay rate. You're unemployed, and the person in your job is also still unemployed. Even if people aren't being fired to create a work for the dole position, the fact remains there is no job created despite the work being done. In a proper employment market, if a company couldn't find someone to do essential work they'd have to increase the salary or do something else to attract workers.
- work for the dole creates downward pressure on wages. If you're doing a job that's worth doing, it's worth being paid a market rate. If a company needs work done but can't afford to pay the market break, them's the breaks of capitalism, creative destruction and all that.
- time spent working for the dole is time not spend finding a real job.
- someone in a work for the dole position, who stands to lose what little benefits they have if they're kicked out of the position, is less likely to cause a fuss if they are being discriminated against, bullied, harassed or denied benefits they're entitled to (eg: breaks).

You should have figured out by now that none of these things are vaguely socialist and your family are confused about what work for the dole is, confused about what socialism is, or both.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:14

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Morrison as PM would pretty much ensure a Labor win.

Have you seen his approval ratings? He's one of the few LNP ministers who is still getting positive ratings, he'd ensure an LNP victory and we'd get on the literal Hitler path.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:14

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

homebrew posted:

You'd better wish him Happy Birthday on FB then.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:14

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

Have you seen his approval ratings? He's one of the few LNP ministers who is still getting positive ratings, he'd ensure an LNP victory and we'd get on the literal Hitler path.

He's got positive approval ratings from Coalition supporters, and is one of the most hated ministers outside that.

Plus Morrison as PM requires a massive internal shitfight on the scale of the Rudd / Gillard stuff, which is a massive turn-off for the electorate.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:20

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

aejix posted:

I was lucky enough to swim with a whale shark (and a coral banded sea snake) over at Ningaloo reef. Do it before you can't

My partner and I did that last year. It was simply amazing. We swam with a little baby whale shark that was only 7m long. I got to dive on the navy pier there, and patted a grouper there that was about the same size as me. Technically I haven't seen the reef itself but that just gives me an excuse to go back later on. Closest I have been to a reef shark as well.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:43

Nibbles!: Jun 26, 2008; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please

T-1000 posted:

A couple of things that I have heard as being wrong with work for the dole.
- to a large extent, the jobs aren't the sort of thing that you can put on your resume to get you employed in something better. So there's a big lost opportunity in skills training.
- work for the dole can contribute to unemployment. Suppose you are a low-skilled worker in a pretty crummy job - but hey, at least it's a job. Until your boss realises they can fire you, and replace you with someone on work for the dole, at a lower pay rate. You're unemployed, and the person in your job is also still unemployed. Even if people aren't being fired to create a work for the dole position, the fact remains there is no job created despite the work being done. In a proper employment market, if a company couldn't find someone to do essential work they'd have to increase the salary or do something else to attract workers.
- work for the dole creates downward pressure on wages. If you're doing a job that's worth doing, it's worth being paid a market rate. If a company needs work done but can't afford to pay the market break, them's the breaks of capitalism, creative destruction and all that.
- time spent working for the dole is time not spend finding a real job.
- someone in a work for the dole position, who stands to lose what little benefits they have if they're kicked out of the position, is less likely to cause a fuss if they are being discriminated against, bullied, harassed or denied benefits they're entitled to (eg: breaks).

You should have figured out by now that none of these things are vaguely socialist and your family are confused about what work for the dole is, confused about what socialism is, or both.

They introduced legislation specifically to stop work for the doll people from been able to claim for stuff like injuries and bullying.

It's also expensive. The government doesn't oversee it, they contract it out. It'll cost more then it ever 'saves'.

Plus it's just lovely to expect people to get to and from a specific place when they're already trying to live on $250 a week.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:52

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Systematic posted:

Fisher by election shows 2 party preferred:

alp 51.5%,
lib 48.5%

WHAT, my god if the ALP win this...

People really don't like Tony Abbott's vision of Australia.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:56

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

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# ? Dec 6, 2014 12:57

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

Whoever posted the QLD ALP's policy release a few pages back suggesting they're expecting a snap election soon, I also just got an EOI from the Queensland Electoral Commission so there is that as well

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:00

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

Tokamak posted:

People really don't like Tony Abbott's vision of Australia.

I'm sure they're currently shocked to find that all of those people voting for Bob Such were not naughty coalition voters having a tiffy protest before returning to the fold. The Liberal primary is currently bang on what they got in the main election, and instead all of Big Bad Bob's votes and most of his preferences are going to Woodyatt and/or Labor.

cpaf posted:

Whoever posted the QLD ALP's policy release a few pages back suggesting they're expecting a snap election soon, I also just got an EOI from the Queensland Electoral Commission so there is that as well

Why exactly is Newman calling a snap election? Does he think he's going to win the rest of the seats and declare himself Reichskanzler?

vv Turnbull will never be Treasurer under Abbott, there'd be a new leadership speculation piece every morning and evening edition

NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Dec 6, 2014

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:01

Pred1ct: Feb 20, 2004; Burninating

I was thinking, turfing Hockey for Turnbull for Treasurer might be a deft political move, Hockey is on the nose while Turnbull is much more liked and a better salesman. Plus offering Turnbull a promotion might keep him from challenging for leader.

I don't think it would be an easy sell though, looks like more dis-unity in the party.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:03

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

cpaf posted:

Whoever posted the QLD ALP's policy release a few pages back suggesting they're expecting a snap election soon, I also just got an EOI from the Queensland Electoral Commission so there is that as well

An EOI for what?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:04

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

quote:

The Coalition is "not a happy family" and there is a "shitload of room for improvement" say government MPs, who confess to being in the dark regarding the future of the government's controversial GP co-payment and a mooted cabinet re-shuffle, because those decisions are centralised in the Prime Minister's office.

"We are not all a happy family ... you're going to have to ask people outside the backbench what's happening with any of the policy decisions, because there is very little inclusion," said one disgruntled backbencher.

"We usually read about it in the papers. Is there resentment? Of course there is."

A wide survey of Coalition MPs by Fairfax Media revealed a mixture of anger, disappointment and loyalty in response to questions about the recent outbreak of grumbling among government members, with Treasurer Joe Hockey a particular target.

Reports in News Corp newspapers this week have cited "growing support" within "senior ranks" for Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull to take over from Treasurer Joe Hockey.

One minister scotched the reports and poured cold water on the idea of a major re-shuffle, while admitting that "if you're this behind in the polls, people get a bit angsty".

Another Liberal MP pointed the finger at senior ministers including Scott Morrison and Julie Bishop for being "indulgent" and "putting their ambition ahead of the government", suggesting they were behind leaked criticisms of Hockey, criticisms the Treasurer acknowledged on Friday when he said that "when you have conversations with your colleagues asking them to live within their means, in their portfolios, some of them don't like it".

"It's a lot of noise from a few voices," the MP said.

Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media on Saturday: "I have absolutely not been behind any of it. I am committed to ensuring this government succeeds as a united and disciplined team."

A source close to Mr Morrison rubbished the claims and said his sole focus was on passing the legislation that reintroduced temporary protection visas.

Another backbencher said that "where there has been disagreements, it's about policy, not personalities" and rejected comparisons with the turmoil of the Rudd/Gillard years.

As for a Cabinet re-shuffle, "it's really Tony and Peta's decision, there's no point pretending otherwise", the MP said, referring to the Prime Minister and his chief of staff Peta Credlin, who has been criticised for a perceived excess of power within the government.

Several MPs defended the Treasurer, who is under great pressure to pass in the Senate the two key budget savings measures of the GP co-payment, and higher education reform, worth about $7 billion, amid deteriorating revenues due to falling iron ore prices.

"I don't get the feeling people are overwhelmingly concerned," said one senior Liberal of the government's fortunes.

"There is a realisation that Joe has a very difficult job."

Another MP said the Treasurer was "a very effective, passionate communicator" who had worked hard all year managing domestic economic issues by day and preparing for the G20 summit as his "night job". One MP said that while there was "dissatisfaction with the way they budget has been sold, that hasn't translated to wanting to get rid of people".

Speaking on the ABC on Friday night, Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer Steve Ciobo dismissed the speculation about the Treasurer as "tangential sideshow issues".

But a backbencher said the government's leadership team had a "fair bit of healing to do, not only with the constituency but with their own members".

"I have no idea where we are with the co-payment. Every time I pick up the paper there is a different position".

Within the government there is widespread acknowledgement the GP co-payment will not pass the Senate in its current form, but an insistence that Health Minister Peter Dutton continues to negotiate with the cross-bench to get it through with amendments. One idea mooted is to grant patients a number of free doctor visits before the co-payment kicks in.

It's a long bow but what does this mean for Kevin Rudd's leadership ambitions?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:08

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

NTRabbit posted:

Why exactly is Newman calling a snap election? Does he think he's going to win the rest of the seats and declare himself Reichskanzler?

Because LNP state governments are struggling all of a sudden, the federal LNP government has been on a very steady decline, and it's exceptionally unlikely he'll lose government whether the election happens now or at any other point before the 20th of June by which time things might be a lot worse, so he may as well call the election soon and retain government comfortably.

He's gonna see a very big swing but they'll start with 73 seats in a chamber of 89 and naturally there isn't any upper house to deal with because Queenslanders don't like complicated things like legislative councils, daylight savings or wearing shoes

e;

Jumpingmanjim posted:

An EOI for what?

Takin' votes :c00l:

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:08

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Hey man, thongs are shoes.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:16

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Tommofork posted:

Yeah, as it said in the piece you quoted they had planned to reduce the refugee intake down to 13,500, but the poor dears had to make a concession and only reduce it down to 18,750.

Also OH MY loving GOD 5,000 reffos a year SWAMPED, SWAMPED I TELL YOU we're drowning under a brown tide

On fb someone was saying that they think the refugee intake was unfair and it should be as high as 20 000. When I pointed out Turkey's intake and said we should gun for 100 000 at a minimum, he blocked me.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:23

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

cpaf posted:

Because LNP state governments are struggling all of a sudden, the federal LNP government has been on a very steady decline, and it's exceptionally unlikely he'll lose government whether the election happens now or at any other point before the 20th of June by which time things might be a lot worse, so he may as well call the election soon and retain government comfortably.

He's gonna see a very big swing but they'll start with 73 seats in a chamber of 89 and naturally there isn't any upper house to deal with because Queenslanders don't like complicated things like legislative councils, daylight savings or wearing shoes

e;

Takin' votes

Every poll I've seen has him on track to losing his seat. He can't be that stupid.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:24

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

SKY COQ posted:

Every poll I've seen has him on track to losing his seat. He can't be that stupid.

Yeha, LNP may win by a slight majority (or we'll have a hung parliament lol) but Newman's not going to be around to deal with it.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:27

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 10:19

Thinking: Jan 22, 2009

He has said he'll contest Ashgrove at the next election but he probably wont. Maybe he can go back to being leader of the Queensland LNP without holding a seat in parliament

# ? Dec 6, 2014 13:40

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