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david carmichael posted:cm punk will look absolutely spectacular relative to everyone else with his experience, because he'll be able to train full time. i would imagine that once he starts to get real fights he will have a lot of trouble making it through a training camp uninjured. Don't forget he will also be able to train full time with the best trainers money can buy.
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Require More Fire posted:I hope Punk does very well in the UFC if only because it will make Vince McMahon, HHH, and Ben Askren really angry. A Sherdog caller claimed that he would rather shoot his own dick off than watch Punk's debut so this whole deal is already worth it.
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triplexpac posted:Don't forget he will also be able to train full time with the best trainers money can buy. it will be interesting to see how this plays out. because brock had really good training partners and coaches, but he still never learned how to take a punch without closing his eyes and cowering. cm punk will probably look really great for a guy making his mma debut, he'll just look intensely bad for a guy fighting on a ufc card.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:A Sherdog caller claimed that he would rather shoot his own dick off than watch Punk's debut so this whole deal is already worth it. I'm sure it was followed by "Fedor would WRECK Cain Velasquez, I don't want my pure sport being ruined by scumbag "actors", PRIDE never die. Fedor! Fedor! Fedor!"
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Aurain posted:I'm sure it was followed by "Fedor would WRECK Cain Velasquez, I don't want my pure sport being ruined by scumbag "actors", PRIDE never die. Fedor! Fedor! Fedor!" You'd think a pride fan would be stoked about pro wrestlers coming in for freak fights
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If Punk wants to make millions of dollars doing something professionally for which he has no formal training, the Philadelphia 76ers are hiring.
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LoboLoboLobo posted:He described himself as a lifelong white belt and doesn't believe in the ceremonies and stuff, he just wants to learn as much as he can. I imagine he'd probably be close to purple but who really knows. That's the type of lies he needs to keep telling. Like the one about his kempo background, or the one where he asked HHH if he took the same drug test as Batista. Anyway, I'm in the camp that doesn't think Punk will be on anything but PPV. Mostly because he assuredly gets PPV points.
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freud mayweather posted:That's the type of lies he needs to keep telling. Like the one about his kempo background, or the one where he asked HHH if he took the same drug test as Batista. for some reason i get the feeling that cm punk is perhaps not the shrewdest negotiator.
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david carmichael posted:cm punk will probably look really great for a guy making his mma debut, he'll just look intensely bad for a guy fighting on a ufc card. I don't know if it's been said but Jason Mayhem Miller did fight in UFC recently and it was the weirdest display of mixed martial arts I had ever seen. I really don't think Punk can do worse than that and likely will look better.
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All I care about is whether or not he uses cult of personality for his entrance. Probably not because of hating wrestling and all
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I hope he doesn't hurt anyone in the aftermath of suffering his 6 millionth concussion
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Auron posted:All I care about is whether or not he uses cult of personality for his entrance. Probably not because of hating wrestling and all Interview with Ariel Helwani said he might do. UFC will probably make an executive decision to do so, I'd imagine, or heavily suggest it to him. The more parallels they can get to his WWE tenure, the more WWE fans will be interested in seeing it and the better the PPV will do for it.
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david carmichael posted:for some reason i get the feeling that cm punk is perhaps not the shrewdest negotiator. He clearly handed WWE their asses in the legal department after his departure (they had no interest in going to court), so he has a very nice lawyer. He is also tight with Heyman, who was Brock's legitimate agent as far as I know.
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Bubba Smith posted:I don't know if it's been said but Jason Mayhem Miller did fight in UFC recently and it was the weirdest display of mixed martial arts I had ever seen. I really don't think Punk can do worse than that and likely will look better. well, cm punk won't be fighting someone of bisping's level, so it will be relative. mayhem was at one point a top 30 guy, maybe even top 20 guy. the sport passed him by pretty seriously though. mayhem has some really high quality wins over guys like niko, lawler and kennedy, and i doubt punk ever gets that level of success.
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good comparables for punk are bautista, lashley, and herschel walker. bautista is a purple belt and trained with one of hte best camps on the planet, and was 42 when he made his debut. he fought an enormously fat dude named vince lucero, with a 22-23 record, who's best win was josh "BRING THE PAIN" haynes. lucero has lost to a LOT of recognizable names. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEtGKxGNdCM that is a pretty quality win for a guy with no combat sport background making his debut, but also its heavyweight and that's just a fat guy. bobby lashley was a good but not elite amateur wrestler. he started fighting when he was 34. his first fights were against bums, wash outs, and an actual homeless person who uses the computers at the public library to troll mark coleman. he's still fighting and he's possibly a top 100 heavyweight. herschel walker is an exceedingly gifted athelte, and also old as dirt. he trained full time for three years before making his debut against someone only known as "lumptitty". the fight was very bad. he had another one, against another nobody. bautista is really the high bar for success for a debut. if he can match that then he'll be doing well
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They should dig up the yoga instructor from TUF China, pretty sure Punk could beat him right now with no training camp.
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Genuinely intrigued to know what MMA/UFC fans make of Punk making this transition in terms of his background in wrestling. Would he viewed as a hack and or a phoney or would there be some respect for him as an actual athlete? Would like to know the thoughts of those who have little to know interest in WWE so that bad man Yurity need not reply.
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britishbornandbread posted:Genuinely intrigued to know what MMA/UFC fans make of Punk making this transition in terms of his background in wrestling. Would he viewed as a hack and or a phoney or would there be some respect for him as an actual athlete? Would like to know the thoughts of those who have little to know interest in WWE so that bad man Yurity need not reply. he will be fighting for money. he's a professional athlete.
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i'm not really sure your question makes sense. people understand that professional wrestling is fake, and that punk's fighting background is in bjj. i think his kenpo background might be fake. like the big knock on brock wasn't that he was a fake fighter, its that he quit everything that he wasn't immediately great at and required him to work at. he stuck with mma way longer than anyone expected, but it was super obvious that he wasn't willing to work on stuff that he didn't want to work on.
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the question that bob sapp rightly tells us to ask is "how will this rich person with a giant ego handle being hit in the face" and the answer is almost always "poorly"
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lol it's so weird seeing the patented david carmichael triple post outside the Toronto thread. My worlds are colliding!
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triplexpac posted:lol it's so weird seeing the patented david carmichael triple post outside the Toronto thread. My worlds are colliding! my god you are such an inconceivable noob http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3093165&userid=150104 david carmichael fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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In regards to Punk coming out to Cult Of Personality, does that work on a legal level? I know Punk owns the rights to his name, but does WWE have any claims as far as WWE Superstar CM Punk? Could he make a t-shirt in the same font that says Best In The World, wear his actual WWE tights, and come out to the song? Could WWE sue UFC for some sort of IP theft?
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At first I thought the big fat designated loser in this vid had Lexapro as his rear end sponsor but I guess the world isn't that perfect.
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Living Colour has never had a problem with tossing Cult of Personality around for use by anyone who wants to pay for it. It's not like WWE has an exclusive claim.
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"No, you can't use our iconic and catchy song on your PPV that will sell gangbusters. We hate making money."
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triplexpac posted:lol it's so weird seeing the patented david carmichael triple post outside the Toronto thread. My worlds are colliding! it's an iconic posting style I've enjoyed reading for years. some might call him the jake shields of posting. i wouldn't, but some might.
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david carmichael posted:i'm not really sure your question makes sense. people understand that professional wrestling is fake, and that punk's fighting background is in bjj. i think his kenpo background might be fake. I suppose I'm asking if any UFC fans with no interest in WWE are excited or interested in this news OR do people feel Phil Brooks is more of a performer than a fighter with a bit of background? I'm kinda interested in level headed reaction really. I watched the batista fight above. Seemed a bit weird. Big fella held him against the fence for three minutes before being flawed and then getting his head punched in for ninety seconds. Will punks debut fight be similar?
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Aurain posted:"No, you can't use our iconic and catchy song on your PPV that will sell gangbusters. We hate making money." "We are Led Zeppelin."
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britishbornandbread posted:I suppose I'm asking if any UFC fans with no interest in WWE are excited or interested in this news OR do people feel Phil Brooks is more of a performer than a fighter with a bit of background? I'm kinda interested in level headed reaction really. i don't know how other people feel. i'm interested in this news because i like mma, and this opens the door to a bunch of ridiculous matches. mma has a proud tradition of putting people who are famous into fights even if they aren't actually good, and if this becomes a regular thing with the ufc there will be a lot of laughs to be had. have you ever watched ufc stuff previously?
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I'm A UFC fan with little to no interest in pro wrestling. I'm interested in seeing CM Punk fight because it's sure to be a interesting spectacle either way. I'm not enraged at the sanctity of my muscle boy punch show being jeopardized, but he still falls into the "entertaining novelty" category more than "serious contender."
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yeah, cm punk isn't going to be winning any titles. his first few fights will be against inexperienced or experienced and bad fighters, because otherwise the athletic commissions won't licence them. a few other ufc fighters have debuted with no professionals over the last few years, but most of them have had good amateur records or at least had some amateur fights on the ufc's reality show. brock's ufc debut was after he had 1 pro fight against a 2-5 olympic level judo player. he fought a former world champion and lost, then beat 4 increasingly good fighters. brock had a serious athletic background in a sport that is really transferable to mma, cm punk does not.
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Borrowed Ladder posted:In regards to Punk coming out to Cult Of Personality, does that work on a legal level? I know Punk owns the rights to his name, but does WWE have any claims as far as WWE Superstar CM Punk? Could he make a t-shirt in the same font that says Best In The World, wear his actual WWE tights, and come out to the song? Could WWE sue UFC for some sort of IP theft? He used it as his entrance music as ROH champ, before he was ever in WWE. So I think he's good. I don't think they'll do it, but after seeing the longer version of the Punk / Ariel Helwani interview, I think WWE could try to sue UFC for tampering. Punk pretty clearly had conversations, motivated by comments from Lorenzo Fertitta, about whether or not he would consider coming in to the UFC.
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Euthyphro posted:I don't think they'll do it, but after seeing the longer version of the Punk / Ariel Helwani interview, I think WWE could try to sue UFC for tampering. Punk pretty clearly had conversations, motivated by comments from Lorenzo Fertitta, about whether or not he would consider coming in to the UFC. Yeah I can't imagine WWE coming after Punk either. They may have a legal leg to stand on, but then they might have to deal with Punk going after them due to the "independent contractor" thing. They seem to be content with just leaving Punk alone and not egging him on.
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Borrowed Ladder posted:In regards to Punk coming out to Cult Of Personality, does that work on a legal level? I know Punk owns the rights to his name, but does WWE have any claims as far as WWE Superstar CM Punk? Could he make a t-shirt in the same font that says Best In The World, wear his actual WWE tights, and come out to the song? Could WWE sue UFC for some sort of IP theft? I know that he regained control of the trademark on his name as part of his settlement as far as merchandising goes, especially since he has merch up on ProWrestlingTees now. As far as his character/likeness, no one really knows, because that's probably in the settlement which is sealed. You could say possibly so, since one of his shirts is a cartoon of him in gear sitting indian style with his recognizable kickpads, but it's also vague enough that he might not. WWE probably owns a trademark on "Best in the World", but why would he want to use that in MMA as a 0-0 fighter? And again, the LAST thing WWE wants to do is to make media waves by suing Punk/UFC. Punk has enough dirt on them to put the business/stock price at serious risk, and the first thing he would do if they filed suit is go on a HUGE media tour talking about the medical malpractice/independent contractor thing that goes on in the WWE. EDIT: And obviously everyone else has addressed the Cult of Personality thing. They'll license that poo poo to anyone for money. Viper_3000 fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Food Court Druid posted:I'm having a fun time imagining how different the reactions would be if Bellator had signed Punk punk/melvin would be beautiful
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