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Zeitgueist posted:Oh snap we're at puppetmaster I did it. Why did everyone let me if this is so predictable you gotta bust out the brows? YOU of all people, who post threads in places I've been about how tiring it is to post in DnD to get people on the side lines to see the way you see things, should have seen what I was doing, especially since we're not strangers! You've shown yourself to have a big brain and the willingness to use it over the years. I felt like taking a vacay from seriousness to go trolling where I eat, and it turns out being subverting the subversives uncovered some weaknesses we don't want to address. Seriously, if you guess who I am shoot me a PM and I'll mail you some beer for Christmas for my trouble. If you can't by Christmas I'll send you a case, 'cause you're too stressed to think straight. 
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Job Truniht posted:Literally the best thing that could happen to the left is if it's organization became autocratic in a sense that someone representative of its core goal and forced everyone either to fall in line kick out the non believers. Banning Tumblr and privilege theory in general from leftist social discourse would also help.cehere we're going doesn't require distinction about race or gender. I realize you're probably still pissed at me but I agree with this 100%, not that I want my sentiments to it to make it look bad by association.
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Job Truniht posted:Literally the best thing that could happen to the left is if it's organization became autocratic in a sense that someone representative of its core goal and forced everyone either to fall in line kick out the non believers. Banning Tumblr and privilege theory in general from leftist social discourse would also help.cehere we're going doesn't require distinction about race or gender. Leftism generally has a core goal of social equality and I don't really know if Tumblr has anything to do with that beyond providing a convenient codeword for people who generally didn't care much about SJ issues to point at when they try and poo poo on people with reasonable opinions. Privelege theory is fine within the group but has it's shortcomings and probably shouldn't be used for public actions because of linguistic confusion. Having said that every single time I've heard of "ban privilege chat" in a leftist group context it's been a middle-upper class white protest tourist who is angry at being yelled at for shouting down people in oppressed groups.
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Space Whale posted:Who is worse the derailleur or the derailed? Yes I know this isn't about bikes You posted your life story and fuckload of words in defence of a weird racist grandpa simpson thing to say. You've posted twice more in the time it took to post this.
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Space Whale posted:I did it. Why did everyone let me if this is so predictable you gotta bust out the brows? I have no idea who you are I just saw someone posting for pages on end about being 'language policed' and I assume everyone in D&D is posting in earnest and not trolling. Also I post here to relieve stress, it doesn't create it.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The opposite of expecting people to "give up" their privileges sounds like expecting people to hold on to them to me? Yes. They're not going anywhere and any misguided attempts to relinquish privilege are a result of questionable motivations and are largely counterproductive in any case. Some people might feel the hairs on their neck raise and intuit that you want to send them to GULAG when you talk about their privilege, but nobody is insisting that we make things more equal by dragging others into hell.
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Space Whale posted:I did it. Why did everyone let me if this is so predictable you gotta bust out the brows? smdh @ this shameful puppetmaster attempt
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Or it could be that those groups are the makeup of every successful socialist movement in the last two centuries. Do you think the Bolshevicks were open to policital discourse? I disagree with Zizek's argument that you can't go from revolutionary violence to post revolutionary politics. All you have to do is purge the revolutionaries. People can't be full time leftists. I think that's consequently why they bring intangible poo poo in to poison the well without any regard for its harmful effects. A dedicated leader could be that full time leftist.
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katlington posted:You posted your life story and fuckload of words in defence of a weird racist grandpa simpson thing to say. You've posted twice more in the time it took to post this.  To be serious though, the fact that people's life experiences (these things we think are so loving important!) might mean they're not exposed to things, or that the meanings of words are different fro them in the context of their lived experiences than to others. Those sounds we recognize as words might not be offensive, and stuff! You might want to think about your approach to telling people "Hey this thing that is innocuous to you? It's a big deal to us. Not like you could have known, but it really gets people whipped up" instead of "you ist with the ism you are beyond hope you are awful apologize to us now." Zeitgueist posted:I have no idea who you are I just saw someone posting for pages on end about being 'language policed' and I assume everyone in D&D is posting in earnest and not trolling. I really hope so for your sake.
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Effectronica posted:I'm not saying that they're arguing in bad faith, or deluded about their real interests. I'm saying that someone who holds views like the person you described, or along a continuum towards him, that such a person is ignorant. They have minimal-to-limited understanding of leftism both as theory and as a historical perspective, and their politics are solely based upon an existential despair. Consider the fatuousness necessary to insist that things have only gotten worse than slavery with even a basic understanding of how slavery operated. But with abolitionists and the civil war, people went after effects, not causes. Ultimately, deference to the rights of the property-owning class was paid in consolation for their loss of (immorally owned) property. They were not expropriated or disenfranchised from high political office. The common reaction is joy over the burning of atlanta or all the dead soldiers. What good do those low-level deaths bring? Along those lines, how many times have you heard someone say "we should nuke Iran/Iraq?" The reason someone says this is to relieve political frustrations caused by the ruling elite of another country. Yet such an action is aimed at the populace. Would you say the people of Nagasaki or Hiroshima deserved their deaths for supporting the Japanese Empire? Did their deaths avenge all of the koreans and chinese killed or made into sex-slaves? Helsing posted:If you've run into people who use their leftism or their identity politics as an excuse to be bad people then you should shun them. But also please try to recognize that this anger and bitterness comes in a historical context: identity politics didn't cause the left to drive into a ditch, rather the left was defeated and identity politics went from being a useful idea to a full fledged ideology that was plugged into the Marx shaped hole at the centre of the leftist conceptual universe. I would like to know more about how it came about in the 70s and how it turned into what it is today if anyone would like to offer. It's helpful to understand that sort of thing Rodatose fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Flectarn posted:smdh @ this shameful puppetmaster attempt Yes, attempt. For like 5 pages. smgdh
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Job Truniht posted:Or it could be that those groups are the makeup of every successful socialist movement in the last two centuries. Do you think the Bolshevicks were open to policital discourse? I disagree with Zizek's argument that you can't go from revolutionary violence to post revolutionary politics. All you have to do is purge the revolutionaries. Where did I say you can't have those groups in leftism? I'm saying that folks who whine about "privilege" are almost always doing so with a specific agenda. It's like whining about Al Sharpton on Facebook. Sure, maybe one of those times it's somebody going off about his homophobic comments or the fact that he was an FBI snitch. But 9/10 times an entirely different issue.
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Rodatose posted:... such an action is aimed at the populace. Would you say the people of Nagasaki or Hiroshima deserved their deaths for supporting the Japanese Empire? Did their deaths avenge all of the koreans and chinese killed or made into sex-slaves? When I say "if you want to change all of society you need an answer for all of society and a place for everyone in it" this is what I mean. You can't go "gently caress the others/bad guys/our enemies right now" and not expect them to fight back. Practicality is a thing. The fact that what side of whatever border you're on as much as your sex and race determined your "team" by the lottery of birth is something people oh so easily forget. Generally, most people fight for whatever team they're on, since they were born into it and can't change teams. And if they could, they'd probably all join the winning team. Zeitgueist posted:Where did I say you can't have those groups in leftism? I'm saying that folks who whine about "privilege" are almost always doing so with a specific agenda. Getting people to get over their needs for purity and instead realize human beings are fallible creatures with perhaps wildly different views and lived experiences that they bring with them, and you need to get a thick skin and realize you won't get your way 100% is my specific agenda. All of this "We're sick of some babby bishie bolshevik screaming CYP all day" poo poo didn't erupt out of the ether, nor was it some insidious trolling by moles from the right. It's your own sick of the poo poo they put up with to try to find company and organize and do things. Even if the theory is fine a lot of people use it in a bad way.
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SedanChair posted:You wake up in a ditch. You do not know what has happened. go up, look around
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SedanChair posted:I know right? I kept thinking he was on a higher level from me. Why so many saying you're white? I can count the times you mention your race on one hand.
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Who What Now posted:Why so many saying you're white? I can count the times you mention your race on one hand. One drop rule for whiteness
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Zeitgueist posted:Where did I say you can't have those groups in leftism? I'm saying that folks who whine about "privilege" are almost always doing so with a specific agenda. I have an agenda alright. I think almost everyone on Tumblr is insecure and mentally ill. Their political alignment is based solely on projecting those insecurities.
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Space Whale posted:Getting people to get over their needs for purity and instead realize human beings are fallible creatures with perhaps wildly different views and lived experiences that they bring with them, and you need to get a thick skin and realize you won't get your way 100% is my specific agenda. Wait are we trolling again or earnest, this is all moving too fast for me.
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Space Whale posted:I realize you're probably still pissed at me but I agree with this 100%, not that I want my sentiments to it to make it look bad by association. I wanted to agree with Job Truniht but I was hoping he would go back and edit that post. I can't follow exactly what was being said.
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Job Truniht posted:I have an agenda alright. I think almost everyone on Tumblr is insecure and mentally ill. Their political alignment is based solely on projecting those insecurities. A whole lot of tumblrs are just folks posting porn pictures. You're using Tumblr as a codeword.
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SedanChair posted:You wake up in a ditch. You do not know what has happened. INV XYZZY KILL DRAGON
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Space Whale posted:You might want to think about your approach to telling people "Hey this thing that is innocuous to you? It's a big deal to us. Not like you could have known, but it really gets people whipped up" instead of "you ist with the ism you are beyond hope you are awful apologize to us now." We did. You're response was "I've never heard it used in a racist manner ergo it can't be racist!"
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Space Whale posted:go up, look around As you struggle to your feet, you realize this is not really a ditch and is more of a culvert. You have been laying in what is, in essence, a shallow depression in the ground. You look at your surroundings.  Across the street, which runs north to south, you see a low building: Reed Graphics. It looks empty. To the north, in the distance, you can see cars turning in and out of the parking lot of what looks like a busy gas station. The road stretches away south, framed by fences, tall weeds and small houses. A side street runs west. Exits: north, south, west >
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SedanChair posted:As you struggle to your feet, you realize this is not really a ditch and is more of a culvert. You have been laying in what is, in essence, a shallow depression in the ground. INSPECT Reed Graphics.
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Zeitgueist posted:A whole lot of tumblrs are just folks posting porn pictures. You're using Tumblr as a codeword. Alright, I can't say this any other way. There's no real nice way to say it. There's going to be backlash for that. You don't have to agree with it. It's entirely an opinion. Here it goes. I think modern feminists, privilege, and LGBT activists should be banned from leftist discourse. Specifically, the internet and neb-activist kind that poo poo up said website above and are the source of wherever mockery GBS is willing to give them. I think they're wholly toxic in their creation. You're free to join those groups. You're free to exist within those groups and discourse within those groups. You're even free to come into leftist activism as being self identified as any of those groups. You're not free to discuss anything other than leftism within the leftist movement. It's not discrimination. It's not spite. It's good sense, because anyone with good sense would've recognized that the feel good bullshit that they bring to the table entirely conflicts with core leftism in every possible way. It cannot afford to make the distinctions that these people are making.
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Space Whale posted:INSPECT Reed Graphics. It's an extremely nondescript concrete building. It is painted tan. Who What Now posted:>CHECK PRIVILEGE You absently put your hands in the pockets of your fleece vest. In your left pocket you find a card. a business card posted:RACE TRAITORS' COLLECTIVE back of card posted:(handwritten) Consider your privilege...checked!!! LOL xoxoxox > woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Job Truniht posted:Alright, I can't say this any other way. There's no real nice way to say it. There's going to be backlash for that. You don't have to agree with it. It's entirely an opinion. Here it goes. Let me help you with this. Those "new wave feminists" and "SJWS" and all that? These people you're talking about don't actually exist in the real world outside of the Internet. You are all worked up over a boogeyman chariacture that you've convinced yourself is lurking around every corner and within every shadow.
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Job Truniht posted:I think modern feminists, privilege, and LGBT activists should be banned from leftist discourse. Specifically, the internet and neb-activist kind that poo poo up said website above and are the source of wherever mockery GBS is willing to give them. I think they're wholly toxic in their creation. You're free to join those groups. You're free to exist within those groups and discourse within those groups. You're even free to come into leftist activism as being self identified as any of those groups. You're not free to discuss anything other than leftism within the leftist movement. It's not discrimination. It's not spite. It's good sense, because anyone with good sense would've recognized that the feel good bullshit that they bring to the table entirely conflicts with core leftism in every possible way. It cannot afford to make the distinctions that these people are making. Your trying to ban the discussion of feminism(lets just start there) in leftist activism.  I'm gonna go ahead and stop taking you seriously now.
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Who What Now posted:Let me help you with this. Those "new wave feminists" and "SJWS" and all that? These people you're talking about don't actually exist in the real world outside of the Internet. You are all worked up over a boogeyman chariacture that you've convinced yourself is lurking around every corner and within every shadow. They had a big hand in ruining OWS with "step up, step back" since a lot of genuinely interested and motivated people were flat out prevented from speaking in favor of "oppressed" people who were more interested in identity politics than curbing the power of banks and corporations. Also #gamergate is getting people IRL riled up a bit Also that guy who landed a ship on a comet was reduced to a blubbering mess because he made the fatal mistake of giving a poo poo what people on twitter think. Minarchist fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Zeitgueist posted:Your trying to ban the discussion of feminism(lets just start there) in leftist activism. I think he was referring to the "kill all men" and "all sex is rape" and "PATRIARCHYYYYYY~" types of radical feminists that people tend to automatically associate with feminism as a whole because of how drat loud they are.
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Minarchist posted:I think he was referring to the "kill all men" and "all sex is rape" and "PATRIARCHYYYYYY~" types of radical feminists that people tend to automatically associate with feminism as a whole because of how drat loud they are. Yes, I get it, when people talk about huge swathes of groups they're always talking about those types, because otherwise they might come off as being a piece of poo poo.  Hey, I don't have anything against social justice thats why I will call anyone who ever complains about me being an rear end in a top hat ever as a SJW, but actually it's about ethics in video game journalism.
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Who What Now posted:Let me help you with this. Those "new wave feminists" and "SJWS" and all that? These people you're talking about don't actually exist in the real world outside of the Internet. You are all worked up over a boogeyman chariacture that you've convinced yourself is lurking around every corner and within every shadow. They exist. I just posted a video of them in Portland a few pages back, doing exactly what I said they'd do. Zeitgueist posted:I'm gonna go ahead and stop taking you seriously now. Blanket equality also means blanket message. There can be no distinctions. I gave you my reasons. That's the best I can do.
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