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Cool (mostly) unrelated video bro. I'm sorry but the fact that he and Steph still wear bracelets for Connor goes a long way with me. 
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sticklefifer posted:People keep saying this, but it was only a main roster debut in the way that Sami Zayn losing to Tyson Kidd a few months back was a "main roster debut". Not on Raw, and not with hype videos intended to draw eyes to NXT. Don't make this out like it's the same when it plainly isn't.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:28
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If she's on the show next week, I'll concede that it's not the same. Until then, it's the same. Sami had a video too.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:33
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sticklefifer posted:People keep saying this, but it was only a main roster debut in the way that Sami Zayn losing to Tyson Kidd a few months back was a "main roster debut". This is dumb. Zayn debuted on Raw tagging with Neville to promote a NXT special in September and they won. He lost to Kidd on Main Event like a month ago. Debuting Charlotte on Raw in the Carolinas in order to promote an NXT special and pinning her in a couple of minutes is even dumber.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:36
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flashy_mcflash posted:Not on Raw, and not with hype videos intended to draw eyes to NXT. Don't make this out like it's the same when it plainly isn't. NXT on the WWE Network. THE THING THEY ARE LOSING MONEY ON. So much they're willing to give you free Roku poo poo if you sign up for a year.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:38
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sticklefifer posted:People keep saying this, but it was only a main roster debut in the way that Sami Zayn losing to Tyson Kidd a few months back was a "main roster debut".
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Dec 9, 2014 20:39
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sticklefifer posted:People keep saying this, but it was only a main roster debut in the way that Sami Zayn losing to Tyson Kidd a few months back was a "main roster debut". Ascension won their match on Main Event when they were promoting the NXT Special though.
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Dec 9, 2014 20:53
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Sometimes I'm shocked with the extent people will defend lovely WWE booking
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achillesforever6 posted:And even then they protected Sami by having every loss to Tyson be a heel cheating to win finish, now granted they should have had a third match where Sami won, but alas KungFu Grip posted:Ascension won their match on Main Event when they were promoting the NXT Special though. I smoke a lot of weed and have no short term memory anymore but did either of these matches go less than three minutes?
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Dec 9, 2014 21:04
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flashy_mcflash posted:I smoke a lot of weed and have no short term memory anymore but did either of these matches go less than three minutes? No. And they got over a little bit.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:19
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I'm pretty sure it's a real simple reason Charlotte lost - although going 2 minutes or whatever was a joke. They view NXT as developmental, therefore NXT talent cannot be better than main roster, otherwise they'd be on the main roster. (What happens on NXT isn't canon. Besides only Internet smarks watch it!!!)
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Dec 9, 2014 21:20
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maxallen posted:I'm pretty sure it's a real simple reason Charlotte lost - although going 2 minutes or whatever was a joke. They view NXT as developmental, therefore NXT talent cannot be better than main roster, otherwise they'd be on the main roster. (What happens on NXT isn't canon. Besides only Internet smarks watch it!!!) But please buy our Network.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:23
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Charlotte lost a match she was dominating in with a rollup while her legs were hooked for the Figure Four. She didn't get squashed. The crowd was on board with her and commentary put her over by straight up saying she's Ric Flair but a woman. Charlotte has only been wrestling for 2 years(?) versus Nattie who has more than a decade of experience. There was nothing wrong with what happened.
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OctoberCountry posted:This is dumb. Zayn debuted on Raw tagging with Neville to promote a NXT special in September and they won. He lost to Kidd on Main Event like a month ago. triplexpac posted:Sometimes I'm shocked with the extent people will defend lovely WWE booking I'm not defending the booking, I'm just saying it's not a debut and shouldn't be treated like one. She'll get a debut. This was a lovely way to promote the NXT special, but not a "main roster debut" if she's not on the roster.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:37
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sticklefifer posted:I'm not at all shocked at people reading what they want to read. How is having a video package and a match on Raw not a "main roster debut"?
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OctoberCountry posted:How is having a video package and a match on Raw not a "main roster debut"? Like I said, if she's there next week I'll concede. If this is an ongoing angle I'll concede. If she's added to the active Divas roster on WWE.com I'll concede. But she's not ON the main roster, and she wouldn't be appearing at all if it weren't for the NXT special. They did this for the last special. The booking was better for that, but would you consider Sami Zayn and The Ascension to be on the main roster right now?
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Dec 9, 2014 21:48
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Gonzo McFee posted:It was supposed to be an advertisement for NXT which is on the Network, though. And they basically said "Don't bother, even their champs are poo poo". NXT is HHH's baby and he hasn't paid his dues yet, brother.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:50
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Sami Zayn is cool and has a cool theme and chant. That's my analysis.
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maxallen posted:I'm pretty sure it's a real simple reason Charlotte lost - although going 2 minutes or whatever was a joke. They view NXT as developmental, therefore NXT talent cannot be better than main roster, otherwise they'd be on the main roster. (What happens on NXT isn't canon. Besides only Internet smarks watch it!!!) Paige won the Diva's title while still holding the NXT title. On her very first Raw match.
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sticklefifer posted:Like I said, if she's there next week I'll concede. If this is an ongoing angle I'll concede. If she's added to the active Divas roster on WWE.com I'll concede. But she's not ON the main roster, and she wouldn't be appearing at all if it weren't for the NXT special. They did this for the last special. The booking was better for that, but would you consider Sami Zayn and The Ascension to be on the main roster right now? Her debut on Raw was disappointing. I guess you can argue it doesn't count for whatever reason you want, but I still think it was pretty lame.
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Bobtista posted:NXT is HHH's baby and he hasn't paid his dues yet, brother. Yeah, they had him curtainjerk at Wrestlemania as part of their efforts to bury him, and he went on to get squashed by the Shield for the next 2 PPVs running. I wonder who he pissed off backstage?
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maxallen posted:I'm pretty sure it's a real simple reason Charlotte lost - although going 2 minutes or whatever was a joke. They view NXT as developmental, therefore NXT talent cannot be better than main roster, otherwise they'd be on the main roster. (What happens on NXT isn't canon. Besides only Internet smarks watch it!!!) Ascension squashed the Matadores.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah, they had him curtainjerk at Wrestlemania as part of their efforts to bury him, and he went on to get squashed by the Shield for the next 2 PPVs running. I wonder who he pissed off backstage? I hear he hosed the boss's daughter 
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Bobtista posted:I hear he hosed the boss's daughter Vince: Fool me once, shame on you....
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Bobtista posted:I hear he hosed the boss's daughter Vince loves his common ground.
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Bobtista posted:I hear he hosed the boss's daughter Well great, now he'll never get into the HoF.
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Bobtista posted:I hear he hosed the boss's daughter Vince has never asked anyone to do something he wouldn't do himself.
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Bobtista posted:I hear he hosed the boss's daughter 
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saltylopez posted:Paige won the Diva's title while still holding the NXT title. On her very first Raw match. And she's spent the remainder of her tenure on Raw trading wins with AJ in a bad storyline, which may be a fate as bad as getting smashed in 2 minutes by the devastating roll-up, depending on your perspective.
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Shima Honnou posted:And she's spent the remainder of her tenure on Raw trading wins with AJ in a bad storyline, which may be a fate as bad as getting smashed in 2 minutes by the devastating roll-up, depending on your perspective. I guess they learned their lesson then 
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Shima Honnou posted:And she's spent the remainder of her tenure on Raw trading wins with AJ in a bad storyline, which may be a fate as bad as getting smashed in 2 minutes by the devastating roll-up, depending on your perspective. Hey now, there was that time they got something like 6 minutes for a match!  The worst part was that in that six minutes the crowd shifted from their standard,"CM PUNK!" chant to actual dueling chants for Paige and AJ, because they got invested in the action in the ring and then it was suddenly just over 
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saltylopez posted:I guess they learned their lesson then The company also blamed Paige for not getting over, and decided to give the belt to AJ and push her when she came back from her wedding. So...yeah.
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the main roster divas are just there for kevin dunn to jack off to and michael hayes to coax into alcoholism
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Charlotte losing to a roll-up is particularly egregious because it was accompanied by "buy the Network to watch this lady defend her belt in a couple of days!". When Sami, Neville, Tyson and Breeze turn up on the main shows, they've typically been against each other—so it didn't really matter who won—or it's been a match "just because" so it's okay to make the trainee eat an easy pin. They've not been promoting an upcoming match when they've lost on their own. By having a champion lose days before their title defence against somebody else you're basically saying "even the champion can't beat one of our regular girls (who doesn't even win that often anyway)". Why would anyone who doesn't already watch NXT be at all interested in seeing Sasha Banks fight Charlotte for the title when they've never heard of Sasha and Charlotte lost in unspectacular fashion? If I'm Joe Universe, I just saw allegedly the best NXT has to offer lose in a nothing match, so why would I hit up the Network to see them fight another nobody? Having champions lose has been a WWE thing for a long time, but it only makes sense as part of a visible build towards a PPV title match. Unrelated loses are just dumb. Imagine if Brock turned up on Smackdown and lost to Luke Harper in a non-title match, while Cole tells you to watch TLC to see if John Cena can keep his #1 contender spot. Roman Reigns posted:The company also blamed Paige for not getting over, and decided to give the belt to AJ and push her when she came back from her wedding.
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pressedbunny posted:Is there any kind of source/Meltzer guessing to suggest this? If anything, given the number of signs for her and people wearing her t-shirts that turn up in the crowds, and the amount of random merch they're churning out for her (Paige-branded sweatpants, anyone?), I would have thought she was plenty over. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the site and can't find the link on reddit (which I found it originally). I did however come upon this while trying to search for it http://dailywrestlingnews.com/state-wwe-divas-vince-pulls-paige-promos-total-diva-getting-pushed/ Not exactly what I posted, but it suggests that the company were having second thoughts about Paige.
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Roman Reigns posted:Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the site and can't find the link on reddit (which I found it originally). I did however come upon this while trying to search for it http://dailywrestlingnews.com/state-wwe-divas-vince-pulls-paige-promos-total-diva-getting-pushed/ I believe the source on that is Richard Gray, and no one should listen to that guy.
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