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Cole posted:Yeah but my line of pro torture reasoning has nothing to do with getting information from people. Again, problem isn't (just) that we didn't get any information from it, it's that we just flat out tortured the wrong people. 26 false positives out of 119 is a pretty damned spotty record.
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Deathy McDeath posted:It's Columbia. We like to protest stuff v "We" Look who just made themselves a them.
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Sexual Lorax posted:I get that no one's going to prison for this, and I disappoint myself by starting with that assumption. The big question I have is why won't anyone go to prison? It seems like a fairly short path from "We don't do these things, because [long list of reasons from bad intel to inviting retaliation on US POWs]" to "When we catch someone doing these things, we punish them to discourage others from doing them."
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Dec 9, 2014 22:36
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Pretty good video response I found on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5ZRE26YWM
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Dec 9, 2014 22:44
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Best Friends posted:Here is one of the greatest interrogators of all time, maybe the best: I went on a random ski trip last year and one of the dudes on it turned out to be a former Army interrogator. He kept calling the CIA folks a loving joke and that all he did was just talk to the dudes. Just find out connections between people and ask circle questions like "Oh, you know A?" and "We know you know B, does B know A?" "You talked about A before does he know B" and so on. It got real funny when we all went out drinking and he and started doing it to the girl that couldn't tell the truth to save her life and couldn't keep the lies straight.
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maffew buildings posted:Pretty good video response I found on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5ZRE26YWM Pretty good video depiction of where I'm at right now https://vine.co/v/OZ1MTVQ3i1m
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Sexual Lorax posted:Pretty good video depiction of where I'm at right now https://vine.co/v/OZ1MTVQ3i1m agreed, getting fall over in the street drunk is a great way to celebrate our nation's accomplishments such as this one today
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Dec 9, 2014 23:18
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ManMythLegend posted:Berkley literally has a statue dedicated to protestors to honor their town's heritage or some poo poo. Hey, isn't Berkeley the law school who gave Bush's torture-approver John Yoo a professorship?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Hey, isn't Berkeley the law school who gave Bush's torture-approver John Yoo a professorship? I don't know. The only things I give a poo poo about in Berkeley are the restaurant scene and CAL's engineering department. Everything else about it is  tastic.
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Dec 10, 2014 01:05
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They might not be torturing anymore but god help you if you're wandering around Waziristan and hear a single engine aircraft.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Hey, isn't Berkeley the law school who gave Bush's torture-approver John Yoo a professorship? Yes they did
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Equine Don posted:They might not be torturing anymore but god help you if you're wandering around Waziristan and hear a single engine aircraft. Or southern Somalia, or western Yemen, or... Waroduce posted:Yes they did This stuff you're doing is cruel, degrading, and inhumane...but it's not torture, so knock yourselves out!
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Dec 10, 2014 02:26
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Good old John "Can the President order someone's eyeball cut out in the name of National Security?" Yoo.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Good old John "Can the President order someone's eyeball cut out in the name of National Security?" Yoo. If you want to read something really terrifying check out Jeh Johnson's reasoning for why sending a drone to off a US citizen is totally legit, yo,
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ActusRhesus posted:If you want to read something really terrifying check out Jeh Johnson's reasoning for why sending a drone to off a US citizen is totally legit, yo, If we would do it to the enemy its only fair if we would do it to our own people as well.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Good old John "Can the President order someone's eyeball cut out in the name of National Security?" Yoo. Also, "it depends on why the President needs to crush an innocent child's testicles" Yoo.
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Not droning American citizens is the ultimate expression of privilege and American exceptionalism.
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ManMythLegend posted:I don't know. The only things I give a poo poo about in Berkeley are the restaurant scene and CAL's engineering department. Everything else about it is Yeah Berkeley has a  STEM department that does lots of cool poo poo with robots.
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As a transrobot I'm outraged and literally shaking at the idea of my people being used as test subjects or objects of amusement.
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Dec 10, 2014 04:31
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Quoting this because it was lost in the torture chat and needs to be watched repeatedly.
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Dec 10, 2014 04:57
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Of course the commenters are all upset no one is taking  Dulce et decorum est pro yiffing mori.
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Gooble Gobble posted:Of course the commenters are all upset no one is taking Vote Sweeper 2000 posted:Y(iff)pres
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Handsome Ralph posted:We also had this guy and his team help pin down al-Zarqawi's location in Iraq as well. The human being that wrote that book is persona non grata in the community, completely full of poo poo even by internet standards and is a narcissistic aspie who was relieved of the burden of his security clearance for being less stable than me, and is a joke of "intelligence" anything. In truth he was a Kool aid drinker USAF OSI type that got lucked into augmenting the big boys on the "other" side of our nations special forces in Iraq for one 4 to 6 month tour, now he promotes himself as the brilliant insightful thin line that stood between us killing AMZ or not. I never read this book but I spent my ball dropping years making sure that AMZ and then later his so called successors got promoted on up to Paradise, and my friends who were with me in country through it all say the book is complete and utter worthless poo poo. I also have worked with him, and I know tons of other dudes that did too. I can say this much: He's every inch and ounce of human being you can imagine someone with his disposition and mindset would be. I'll give him props though, he types bullshit on computers and gets paid money for it, I pay for lowtaxes benzo's with re-regs doing my bullshit writing on computers. I guess I didn't "do" the whole post-GWOT thing right then, but then again I'm not PNG with the worlds scariest people.. So..  Whatever happened to quiet professionals man? Wait 15-20 years, ya know? How many dudes from 6 have claimed they took the shot on OBL now? 4? I bet 3 of them have written books or consulted on one of the newer movies. It's weird to me when I see my seemingly long over and done with already fought wars being cashed in on in so many books and movies now. My guess is that this is a trend that's gonna increase as the Vietnam generation begins to truly die over the next 5-15 years.
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Obama Africanus posted:I guess I didn't "do" the whole post-GWOT thing right then, but then again I'm not PNG with the worlds scariest people.. So.. Make up some bullshit, cash in on consulting for movies and getting Hannity to jerk your pud over poignant tales of heroism. Go on Rush and tell the mouth-breathing world that Obamas-a-cocksucker-buy-my-book-for-stories-of-true-glory-by-someone-who-was-there. Honor is for suckers who think that God's going to pat them on the head after they die, get paid now.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Make up some bullshit, cash in on consulting for movies and getting Hannity to jerk your pud over poignant tales of heroism. Go on Rush and tell the mouth-breathing world that Obamas-a-cocksucker-buy-my-book-for-stories-of-true-glory-by-someone-who-was-there. Honor is for suckers who think that God's going to pat them on the head after they die, get paid now. I'll take the whole having life long friends and getting health insurance and a pittance on the side for the rest of my life over being any AFOSI officer with his/her own Wikipedia article and lawsuits with the DoD and DOJ. Real talk.
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Dec 10, 2014 07:36
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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. You mean the government LIED to me about how they caught
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Best Friends posted:The percentage of people we killed in Iraq who fall into the "collateral damage/targeting mistake category" is at least a majority, probably a very strong majority. The figure I heard from a major on the rate of cars we shot up for suspected VBIED actually being a VBIED was something like 5%. Yeah, monday morning quarterbacking that poo poo is a loving blast.
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zombie303 posted:Yeah, monday morning quarterbacking that poo poo is a loving blast. 
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gently caress this torture poo poo, I wanna know how much the NSA is paying for a GPS tracking device to be installed to my car so they can tax me adequately. Maybe my poo poo state will get kickbacks for all the information they provide to the gubbamint? Who knows maybe it wont go into law? I said that there was no way I-594 would pass but it did.
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zombie303 posted:Yeah, monday morning quarterbacking that poo poo is a loving blast.
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Obama Africanus posted:I guess I didn't "do" the whole post-GWOT thing right then, but then again I'm not PNG with the worlds scariest people.. So.. Learn something new every day. That book being bullshit or not though, I still stand by the assertion that using torture was a loving horseshit idea. zombie303 posted:Yeah, monday morning quarterbacking that poo poo is a loving blast. 
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the problem with communicating 100% through smilies is it's hard to always know what point you are making. would you mind expanding on so I know whether to call you a loving assclown or not?
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ActusRhesus posted:the problem with communicating 100% through smilies is it's hard to always know what point you are making. Go full DND and call him an assclown anyway.
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ActusRhesus posted:the problem with communicating 100% through smilies is it's hard to always know what point you are making. It is an IED joke.
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roger. It's so hard to tell sometimes.
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and are reactions to fully sick burns. For instance, how your powers of deduction as a jurist failed you in understanding an emoticon.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:
gotcha. spending too much time in DnD so my default is now to assume idiocy.
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Man that could've been a great derail full of you guys slapfighting and looking stupid. I'm going back to DND where the conversations are funny.
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ActusRhesus posted:gotcha. spending too much time in DnD so my default is now to assume idiocy. Unlike DnD, report suspected idiocy and I'll actually look into it.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Unlike DnD, report suspected idiocy and I'll actually look into it. Vasudus didn't like it when I reported Cole for whatever.
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