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he'll shift the goalposts on you, he keeps saying 'petty criminals' and 'non violent drug offenders' to confuse the issue, he's actually talking about dealers not users
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani lady who got shot in the head for promoting female education, got the Nobel peace price today. I wonder how long it will be before someone back in Pakistan blows the rest of her brains out. That country appears to have made a point out of assassinating their own best and brightest. Pakistan isn't so much a country as it is an armed mob ruled by a better armed mob
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:So basically the sentiment is "drugs should be legal, but as long as they aren't, gently caress it, might as well toss tens of thousands of petty criminals in prison"?
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Dead Reckoning posted:Again, you are in the extreme minority in considering drug offenses a homogeneous category of crimes, most people see possessing a joint as different from large scale heroin manufacture. Running a large criminal enterprise is not a "petty" crime. Also, if you are going to accuse AR of perpetrating an injustice, your position should include some sort of argument for why selling heroin should be legal, which you have consistently failed to provide. Selling heroin should be legal because it kills TCC posters
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Dec 10, 2014 23:12
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Bolow posted:Selling heroin should be legal because it kills TCC posters
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Bolow posted:Selling heroin should be legal because it kills TCC posters The man has a point.
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Bolow posted:Selling heroin should be legal because it kills TCC posters Hard to argue this one..
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The TCC approved answer is that heroin should be legal because I can control it, it's not really a problem, only the stigma causes people problems, and hey anyone else lose feeling in their arms after a bad batch? I need to know how to deal with it because CPS is coming by and if I leave my arms hanging down they might take my kids again.
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Best Friends posted:The TCC approved answer is that heroin should be legal because I can control it, it's not really a problem, only the stigma causes people problems, and hey anyone else lose feeling in their arms after a bad batch? I need to know how to deal with it because CPS is coming by again and if I leave my arms hanging down they might take my kids again. *USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST REASON: DEAD
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Two Finger posted:he'll shift the goalposts on you, he keeps saying 'petty criminals' and 'non violent drug offenders' to confuse the issue, he's actually talking about dealers not users Obfuscation and restating a clearly stated position and confusing the issue as much as possible seems to be a valid response and it drives me crazy. When it comes to women in Pakistan just go back to Bhutto to see how much they love their female leaders.
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TCC has done a lot to make me reconsider my stance on drug use. I used to think life ruining addiction was a hard but long road, but it turns out that plenty of people go from "I want to try heroin/legal Russian research chemical out and I'm going to make sure it doesn't control me" to "I'm homeless and estranged from anyone who ever loved me" within a couple months flat
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Legalizing heroin would be a kick in the ribs for the small-time poppy farmer in Afghanistan.
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:TCC has done a lot to make me reconsider my stance on drug use. I used to think life ruining addiction was a hard but long road, but it turns out that plenty of people go from "I want to try heroin/legal Russian research chemical out and I'm going to make sure it doesn't control me" to "I'm homeless and estranged from anyone who ever loved me" within a couple months flat who was that guy who was taking something, might have been bath salts? and went completely mental found himself homeless and his fiance's father flat out said never to contact her ever again that was pretty lol
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do you reconcile most cops choosing that profession out of a genuine desire to serve the public and the consistent closing of ranks when one of them does the opposite? Doesn't seem like it can be both without a shitton of cognitive dissonance. I find it fairly easy to reconcile. They become indoctrinated. Once that occurs they refer to the public as civilians. It's an indication that they hold themselves separate from the community. There are several reasons for this. Militarization of the police force which I believe was really spear headed by LAPD. Just the grind of a job where people treat you with distain, and disgust. Think about how many positive interactions with folks a cop has on shift versus negative. I'm guessing largely negative for quite a few. Since I'm making blanket statements its super easy to poke holes in. But you asked, so this is what I think.
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I've known several weed and fun pills dealers who went on to lead happy productive grown up lives and am very glad they aren't in prison both as a person who knows them and as a taxpayer.Two Finger posted:who was that guy who was taking something, might have been bath salts? and went completely mental found himself homeless and his fiance's father flat out said never to contact her ever again It was some crazy russian drug where the difference between an active dose and a you will commit horrible acts dose is too small for the eye to see, and if that wasn't bad enough the primary thing the drug did was make people forget everything and make bad decisions, so even if you theoretically did the "right" amount you'd still probably take more. And it had apparently no euphoric effect (wtf). There's sort of a top hits of tcc thread in gbs right now and it's funny. Best Friends fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Two Finger posted:who was that guy who was taking something, might have been bath salts? and went completely mental found himself homeless and his fiance's father flat out said never to contact her ever again That was the legal Russian research chemical I was referring to. Never mind a couple months, it only took that guy a few days
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Jarmak posted:The issue you're running into is when you say "non-violent drug offenders" people parse that as "possession" because thats what people are usually referring to when they use that term and they're giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a moron who thinks its wrong to prosecute people for running criminal enterprises. Well, now that we've identified my first mistake...
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:That was the legal Russian research chemical I was referring to. Never mind a couple months, it only took that guy a few days hahahaha i just read about the dude who baked himself in his car sad because he's dead but gently caress i can't stop laughing
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Some goon or other actually advocated for the banning of public sector unions because apparently removing the constitutionally protected rights of the working class will fix racism.  Also lol at people bitching at cops not getting indicted, I know criminals who have shot 8 people in 6 incidents who have yet to get a single conviction. In conclusion anyone advocating anything anti police or anti military is a dickhead strawman, moral equivalency and an ad hominem I can't wait for lurkers to mash the report button.
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Smiling Jack posted:
Whoa whoa whoa pump the brakes there chief
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Legalizing it all will help cull the weak in society anyway.
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iyaayas01 posted:Kabul 1970: Circling back around to DnD, but a few years ago there were a bunch of dudes in there saying it was racist to try and force Western culture on Afgahnistan, and that their real culture was nothing but warring tribes and religous fundamentalism. I brought up pictures like these and dudes like this to say that in fact perhaps there was more to the country that their weird racist talking points they heard in their freshman POLYSCI classes. According to them I was wrong and it was racist for me to assume there was more to Afganistan then shooting women in the head in soccer stadiums for learning how to read. 
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The Soviet management of the Communist government in Afghanistan was comically inept, bested only by the way we handled the South Vietnamese government. Like us, they decided to just go ahead and coup out a leader they thought ineffective, which just ended up making things worse, the way we did with Diem.
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Heck yeah, legalize heroin! Wait, what? 
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Panzeh posted:The Soviet management of the Communist government in Afghanistan was comically inept, bested only by the way we handled the South Vietnamese government. Like us, they decided to just go ahead and coup out a leader they thought ineffective, which just ended up making things worse, the way we did with Diem. An unpopular Soviet-backed government in Kabul tried to consolidate power by executing political prisoners en masse in the late 70s; the 80,000-strong Afghan army began hemorrhaging deserters and the country was about to throw up all over itself when the Soviets arrived. They walked into a loss, especially considering how pissed we were that the US ambassador to Afghanistan had been kidnapped by rebels and killed in an Afghan police / Soviet advisor "rescue attempt" that ended like every hostage situation involving Russians; we were funneling money to the Afghan rebels to help them destabilize the Soviet-backed government (yes, those rebels) which escalated to the missiles and such we're used to hearing about, and so forth. The Soviets tried to prop up a government that wanted to end the "feudalism" of rural Afghanistan; modernize it; secularize it, and so forth. They enforced this position by bulldozing and bombing entire villages. Hearts and minds didn't work so well, either, 30 years later. I sort of wish the Soviets had succeeded, though.
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Panzeh posted:Legalizing it all will help cull the weak in society anyway.
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Casimir Radon posted:We'd have to give it to them for free, otherwise they'll pay for it by stealing from regular people who matter. I'm fine with this. loving pay for it with Social Security, I don't care.
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Casimir Radon posted:We'd have to give it to them for free, otherwise they'll pay for it by stealing from regular people who matter. not for long!
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Zeris posted:An unpopular Soviet-backed government in Kabul tried to consolidate power by executing political prisoners en masse in the late 70s; the 80,000-strong Afghan army began hemorrhaging deserters and the country was about to throw up all over itself when the Soviets arrived. They walked into a loss, especially considering how pissed we were that the US ambassador to Afghanistan had been kidnapped by rebels and killed in an Afghan police / Soviet advisor "rescue attempt" that ended like every hostage situation involving Russians; we were funneling money to the Afghan rebels to help them destabilize the Soviet-backed government (yes, those rebels) which escalated to the missiles and such we're used to hearing about, and so forth. The Soviets tried to prop up a government that wanted to end the "feudalism" of rural Afghanistan; modernize it; secularize it, and so forth. They enforced this position by bulldozing and bombing entire villages. Hearts and minds didn't work so well, either, 30 years later. I sort of wish the Soviets had succeeded, though. The Soviets decided to go ahead and coup out one of their own clients because they felt it couldn't get much worse than Amin but it did in fact get worse. A lot like we did with Diem, really. Diem wasn't very good, but a series of weak-willed and greedy military officers ended up being worse.
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Casimir Radon posted:We'd have to give it to them for free, otherwise they'll pay for it by stealing from regular people who matter.
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Lotron posted:Heck yeah, legalize heroin! hmm yes these are literally the same and the addition of some measly carbons and removal of an oxygen means nothing in the grand scheme of biochemistry
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Bolow posted:Selling heroin should be legal because it kills TCC posters This, but unironically.
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Panzeh posted:The Soviets decided to go ahead and coup out one of their own clients because they felt it couldn't get much worse than Amin but it did in fact get worse. A lot like we did with Diem, really. Diem wasn't very good, but a series of weak-willed and greedy military officers ended up being worse. We couldn't have found a more useless pair of poo poo-flinging idiots than Thieu and Ky if we'd tried.
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Lotron posted:Heck yeah, legalize heroin! Small changes in chemical structure can make a huge difference in clinical effect and pharmacokinetics. Heroin addicts might be the most pitiful ones I see. Alcohol is near the top too, to be honest. Fortunately, cocaine punishes your heart early and often so we don't see too many old cocaine addicts.
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Derek Dominoe posted:Small changes in chemical structure can make a huge difference in clinical effect and pharmacokinetics. Methadone zombies are fairly pathetic.
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Derek Dominoe posted:Small changes in chemical structure can make a huge difference in clinical effect and pharmacokinetics. Unless they've changed it, Oxycontin will get you high as gently caress and it used to be way easier to get than heroin. A lot of people I grew up with ruined themselves on that poo poo.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Unless they've changed it, Oxycontin will get you high as gently caress and it used to be way easier to get than heroin. A lot of people I grew up with ruined themselves on that poo poo. They're still ruining themselves, but since the feds and doctors have clamped down on Oxy all of the former pillheads are taking Heroin. This hasn't worked out very well for them.
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There was a study involving free heroin to addicts in Vancouver a little while ago. I think they learned that heroin addicts like free heroin. Science!
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Zeroisanumber posted:They're still ruining themselves, but since the feds and doctors have clamped down on Oxy all of the former pillheads are taking Heroin. Yeah, I know, I was just wondering why people were posting like there's a massive difference between Oxycontin and Heroin. They're different, but they're similar enough that when you run out of Oxy the 'logical' thing is to find some smack.
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ManMythLegend posted:Circling back around to DnD, but a few years ago there were a bunch of dudes in there saying it was racist to try and force Western culture on Afgahnistan, and that their real culture was nothing but warring tribes and religous fundamentalism.     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRcjhibtQz4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxyLH7R8sms (^ he's got beats headphones!) there are worse cities in the third world than kabul. and this stuff is what people do. they buy and sell goods and services (call it capitalism if you want). they wear clothes that make them feel good. they make shlocky music that's fun to dance to. and none of that is "western" despite what D&D says. people only *don't* do these things when you have a regime that thinks it knows better and forcibly prevents them. of course it'll be interesting to see what happens when the U.S. reconstruction money runs out. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Dec 11, 2014 |
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