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Here's a Tiger vs. Sherman incident from the same blog that posted the Korean Tanker report:Antipodean Armour posted:This slogging match lasted all afternoon. Second-Lieutenant Harry Hodge's 7 Troop, coming forward through the smoke of the burning tanks to reinforce the badly-hit 5 and 8 Troops, joined battle with the Tiger, which moved from its cemetery down the gully to B Squadron's right, and was stopped in a maize field as it tried to climb the opposite hill to Route 2. It was not easy to bring the guns to bear on it–in the end only Corporal Bruce Johnstone's9 tank, with Trooper ‘Squat’ Warren10 on the gun, was able to shoot with any chance of success, firing from the shelter of a tall clump of bushes. The other crews of 7 Troop took ammunition from their tanks to keep up Johnstone's supply. Johnstone writes of the action: The relevant chapter of the official history is here, and it seems almost like the classic 'we blasted it with rounds from the front, took too many casualties, and eventually got round the side and hit it from there." Edit: This made me think of Hegel, for some reason 'Antipodean Armour' posted:The regiment had adopted the current fashion of unusual headgear, as a steady number of panamas and Borsalinos had been ‘liberated’. When the General called on Div Cav to remonstrate, he first encountered one of the RHQ NCOs in the full-dress uniform of an Italian admiral. This must have shocked him a bit, but a moment or two later he was put under even greater strain. He found next a group of Staghounds, not one of which was battle-worthy, it being impossible to traverse the turrets for the great barrels of Chianti strapped to the hulls. Jaguars! fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Jaguars! posted:Edit: This made me think of Hegel, for some reason 
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HEY GAL posted:someone's been having an excellent war  there, is kind of what Romania did in that war.
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Jaguars! posted:The regiment had adopted the current fashion of unusual headgear, loving WW2 hipsters
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Cyrano4747 posted:loving WW2 hipsters 
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I just like to think that wars are basically like the best stag party ever, until they aren't anymore.HEY GAL posted:No? The happy little guy is drinking straight from the bottle.
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I was reading some stuff on chobham armor and kinetic penetrators, and the depleted uranium article mentioned many of the positives of DU for penetrating, like density. However it mentioned something about the round self-sharpening, can anyone explain what that means exactly? I didn't find anything but additional usage so...whats with that? I think I get how shaped charges do their thing, but I don't get how staballoy does its thing.
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vintagepurple posted:What was the life of an artilleryman like during the world wars, expecially the first? It seems like almost all the accounts focus on front-line infantry or on flashy jobs like pilot. Were they artillery full-time or did they get sent on patrols, second-rate infantry missions, etc. like modern artillery units often do? Arquinsiel posted:I just like to think that wars are basically like the best stag party ever, until they aren't anymore. Two different posts that both lead back to Lance-Bombardier Spike Milligan's war memoirs! It's all Second World War, but a great insight into how to go to war, do your job, and not die. I've added "life as a gunner/sapper/driver vs life in the PBI" to the list of 100YA dull-day effortposts; but briefly, they often lived in slightly less squalid conditions, and had a less interesting time of it as long as the enemy didn't find out where they were; it should be no surprise that the chief of the Camouflage Committee, possibly the most French military unit in history (it was full of painters and artists all doing their bit for France), had been put into the Army as a gunner.
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Arquinsiel posted:I just like to think that wars are basically like the best stag party ever, until they aren't anymore. They're not so bad in the rear echelons, I guess. When the second Australian expeditionary force first arrived in Egypt, they weren't allowed to set up camp at Cairo as the local authorities recalled the reputation of the Australian troops that were there during the WWI. IIRC, they were sent to train in Syria instead. What german word is being mangled here? It must refer to either a Panzerschreck or Panzerfaust. 'offical history 18 Armoured' posted:where C Company had struck a nest of Spandaus and anti-tank rocket guns, abominable little weapons with the jaw-breaking name of ‘Ofenroehre’ but known to the boys as ‘Bazookas’ after their American counterpart. The tanks stood a little way back and hammered the buildings with all their weapons while the infantry moved in, and Jerry fled, abandoning one of his bazookas. It was still only 7.15 a.m.
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Jaguars! posted:What german word is being mangled here? It must refer to either a Panzerschreck or Panzerfaust.
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HEY GAL posted:Stovepipes
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Trin Tragula posted:Two different posts that both lead back to Lance-Bombardier Spike Milligan's war memoirs! It's all Second World War, but a great insight into how to go to war, do your job, and not die. It seems like artillery was bit cushier of a posting as far as combat arms went. How were selections done back then, did you volunteer for artillery, require certain skills, or what? I'm enlisted in artillery and am shipping on the 29th, so I've got a newfound interest in what it was like during the world wars. It's a blind spot for me.
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SlothfulCobra posted:When did the whole folded up napkin hat become the standard when not wearing helmets? Related, why is the beret part of the dress uniform in so many militaries?
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Synnr posted:I was reading some stuff on chobham armor and kinetic penetrators, and the depleted uranium article mentioned many of the positives of DU for penetrating, like density. However it mentioned something about the round self-sharpening, can anyone explain what that means exactly? I didn't find anything but additional usage so...whats with that? I think I get how shaped charges do their thing, but I don't get how staballoy does its thing. When a regular bullet, regardless of diameter, strikes something it begins to flatten out across the tip. This means more area upon which the same amount of energy is being applied, which means less pen nitrating ability. dU, due to its crystalline structure, fractures at a specific angle to the strike so it keeps that nice sharp tip and minimizs the area it's force is spread across, maximizing penetration.
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Chamale posted:Related, why is the beret part of the dress uniform in so many militaries? I think the French alpine units were the first modern infantry to start wearing them in the late 19th century, since you need a hat of some sort in the cold, and the beret is cheap, easy to manufacture in large numbers, and for soldiers it’s great because it’s light and you can easily fold it up and stash it in your pack when you’re not wearing it without damaging it. Because of all those advantages, a lot of other regiments started using them soon after. The British tank corps particularly liked them because they’re a low cap – which is nice in a narrow enclosed space like a tank - and you can wear headphones over them, so you don’t have to keep taking them on and off. So it’s a combination of being a practical hat and being adopted by the great powers of the time that it becomes the stereotypical ‘military’ headgear that everyone uses so their military looks modern and professional.
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Jaguars! posted:What german word is being mangled here? It must refer to either a Panzerschreck or Panzerfaust. Spandaus are MG-42s and Ofenrohr (Stovepipe) was the Landser nickname for the Panzerschreck.
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How would you pronounce Ofenrohr anyway? It looks tough, at least the rohr part.
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Frostwerks posted:How would you pronounce Ofenrohr anyway? It looks tough, at least the rohr part. Oh fen roar. Most dialects of German have fairly regular pronunciation once you learn how they spell all the sounds. I can't make promises about how a Bavarian might say anything, though.
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Oh-'fa (or 'fn)-roa (or röhrl). Some of the landserjargon is really good. Zimmerflak and Eisenschwein are one of my favourites. Strangely, these are not in the list. Aal = Jargon für Soldaten, die sich geschickt um unangenehme Aufgaben drücken, auch wurden Torpedos so genannt. Abspülung = Jargon für Notwasserung bzw. Absturz über dem Meer. Affe = Jargon für Tornister. Affenschaukel = Jargon für Adjudanten-, Schiess-,Fang oder Schulterschnur. Anno Scheiße = Landserausdruck für den ersten Weltkrieg. Apfelsinenorden = Bezeichnung für die deutsch-italienische Erinnerungsmedallie. Arsch = Landserausdruck für die verschiedensten Dinge. am A... der Welt, in abgelegener Gegend auf Vorposten. Schütze A... , einfacher Soldat kalter A.... mit Schneegestöber, schlechtes Essen. sich den A.... auskugeln, im Krieg fallen. Aufriß = Streifschuss. B Backofen = umkämpfte Stellung. Bau = Arrestzelle. bepflastern = mit Artellerie beschießen. Betonorden = Bezeichnung für Ehrenabzeichen die beim Bau des Westwalles vergeben worden sind. Beutegermanen = Jargon für fremde Staatsangehörige die ins Deutsche Reich umgesiedelt wurden. Bildungskanone = Fahrzeug der Feldbücherei. Biertischstratege = erklärt sich wohl von selbst. Bordgeistlicher = Gestapo Spitzel an Bord von Schiffen der Kriegsmarine. Bremser = Bezeichnung von Soldaten die höhere Weisungen nicht ausführten, weil sie sie nicht verantworten konnten. brustkrank = Sucht nach Orden und Ehrenabzeichen. Butterfront = Besetzte Gebiete mit guter Lebensmittelversorgung und ohne Kampfhandlungen. C Charly = Beobachterflugzeug. Churchill - Pimmel = Blutwurst. D Dachschaden = Kopfschuss oder Kopfverletzung. Dauerurlaubsschein = Im Krieg fallen. Deutschamerikaner = Blindgänger oder unzuverlässiger Mensch. Dödel = Ritterkreuz. Dünnschißkanone = Maschinengewehr. E Eau de Pologne = Jauche, stinkender Schlamm. Ehrenkeule = Landserausdruck für Marschallstab. Energietropfen = Schnaps der vor einem Sturmangriff ausgegeben wurde. Entfettungskur = Aufenthalt in einem Kriegsgefangenenlager. Ersatzreserveersatz = Volkssturm. Esak = Abkürzung für Evagelische Sündenabwehrkanone, Feldgeistlicher. F Feldmäuse = Wehrmachtsstreife. Fernsprecher = Landserausdruck für Vorgesezten, der vorzugsweise im brüllenden Befehlston spricht. Festausschuss = Oberkommando der Wehrmacht. Fohlen = Neuling, junger Soldat. Frontbummel = Spähtruppunternehmen. Furzfänger = Paradejacke der Luftwaffe. G Gähnappell = Feldgottesdienst. Gartenspritze = leichtes MG. Gebirgsmarine = zusammengewürfelte millitärische Formation. Gefrierfleischorden = Ehrenzeichen für die Teilnahme am Rußlandfeldzug im Winter 1941/42. Gesinnungsrückstrahler = Landserausdruck für das Deutsche Kreuz in Gold, auch Spiegelei genannt. Grabenschreck = unerwartet auftauchender und rummeckender Vorgesetzter. H HaBe = Hals und Beinbruch. Halsschmerzen = Ausdruck für den Drang nach Auszeichnung mit dem Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes. Hausfriedensbruch = Eindringen in eine feindliche Stellung. H. mit Ansage = dito aber mit Artilleriebeschuss. Heiliger Geist = Landserjargon für Kameradenjustiz. Heldenklau = Feldgandamerie, bzw Offiziere die versprengte Soldaten zwingen sich dem Feind neu zu stellen. Himmelfahrtskommando = der Ausdruck hat sich nach dem Kriege im Zivilleben etabliert. Das kennt man. Hitler Säge = MG 34. Höllenabwehrkanone = Millitärgeistlicher. I Irrenanstalt = Landserausdruck für Führerhauptquartier. J Joseph = Falschirmjäger. K Kaffeemühle = Bezeichnung für langsames Russ. Flugzeug (Rata) Känguruh = NS-Hoheitsadler am Uniformrock. Kesselraum = Bez. für das Innere eines eines Panzerkampfwagens. Kartoffelstampfer = Stielhandgranate. Knackmandel = Eierhandgranate. Knochensammlung = Absuchen des Schlachtfeldes nach Gefallenen Soldaten. Krätzchen = Schirmlose Feldmütze. Kriegsgerichtsautomat = Kriegsgerichtsrat der Hitlers Todesurteile zu verhängen hat. Kuttenzwerg = Angehörige des Bodenpersonals der Luftwaffe. L Latrinenparole = Gerüchte, Vermutungen. Leiche, aufgewärmte = Angehörige der Verserhtenkompanie. Lippenstiftbrigade = Frauen im Dienst der millitärischen Abwehr. Lysolmäuschen = Krankenschwester. Lametta-Orden und Rangabzeichen langmachen- hinlegen, Deckung nehmen Latrinenparole-Gerücht Leithammel-Unteroffizier Lysol- Absinth, scharfer Schnaps bei den Besatzungstruppen in Frankreich erstanden M Makkaroni- Italiener Maskenball-beliebte Schikane von Ausbildern, mehrmals antreten in immer anderen Dienstanzug Mündungsschoner-schlechter Soldat N Nähmaschine - gemeint waren leichte russische Flugzeuge, die besonders zu Beginn des Rußlandfeldzugs die deutsche Stellungen überflogen, wie Nähmaschinen ratterten und zum Teil sogar einfach Ziegelsteine in Ermangelung von Bomben abwarfen. NS-Röhre-U-Boot O Oberschnäpser- Obergefreiter P Panzer-Anklopf-Gerät - Bezeichnung für die 3,7-cm Pak Papieroffizier- PK-Mann, Angehöriger der Propagandakompanien Papiersoldat- in der Schreibstube Dienst tuend Pappkamerad- Zielscheibe mit menschlichen Umrissen Parteihut- Stahlhelm Partisanen-Läuse pumpen- Kniebeugen mit vorgehaltenen Gewehr, auch Liegestütz Q Querschläger- bei den Kameraden unbeliebter Soldat R Rabatz- für viele unerquickliche Situationen gebraucht, großes Durcheinander, heftiges Feindfeuer Ratschbumm- sowjetisches Flachfeuergeschütz, bei dem unmittelbar auf den Abschuß schon der Einschlag erfolgte Reichsheini-Reichsführer der SS Heinrich Himmler Ringelpietz-verschieden gebraucht, meist von Rekruten Ausbilderschikane gemeint, auseinander gerissene Betten, Aus und Einräumen der Spinde, das berüchtigte Kommando" Auf die Betten, unter die Betten ,auf die Spinde, unter die Spinde, marsch marsch!" robben-flach auf der Erde entlang kriechen Rollbahnkrähe-das sowjetische Flugzeug U2, leichter Aufklärer, der auch Bomben warf, auch Petroleumkocher, UvD und Sperrholzbomber genannt Rückgrat der Armee- die Obergefreiten, also die "alten" Landser S Sandlatscher- Infanterist Sanker - für Sanitätskraftwagen Schlächter-sowjetischer Schlachtflieger, Jagdbomber Schleifer-brutaler Ausbilder, aber bei der Panzertruppe auch reparaturbedürftige Panzer Schmalspuroffizier-Sonderführer, Pfarrer, Wehrmachtsbeamte wegen ihrer schmalen Schulterstücke Schlumpfschütze- schlechter Schütze Schütze Arsch- der "letzte" und schlechteste Soldat Spargel-Periskop des U-Bootes Spiegelei-Deutsches Kreuz in Gold Spieß-Hauptfeldwebel Spund-junger Soldat, Rekrut Stalinhäcksel- Machorka der kleingehackte mit Blattrippen und Holz durchsetzte russische Tabak Stalinorgel-sowjetisches Raketen-Salvengeschütz von den Sowjets selbst "Katjuscha" ("Käthchen") genannt Stalintorte-trockenes Brot stiften gehen- flüchten Stoppelhopser-Infanterist Strippenzieher-Nachrichtensoldat T Tante Ju- das veraltete aber stets zuverlässige Transportflugzeug Ju 52 Taschenflak-Pistole Tiefflieger- "geistiger Tiefflieger", dummer Mensch U Untergefreiter- Zivilist, da es diesen Dienstrang nicht gab Untersatz-Schiff oder Kraftfahrzeug V V3-spöttisch für Volkssturm verheizen- Soldaten sinnlos opfern vollrotzen- unter Beschuss nehmen, vor allem Jagdfliegersprache W Wanzenhammer-Tabakpfeife, mit deren Kopf im Unterstand Ungeziefer totgeschlagen wird Wehrbeitrag- im Urlaub gezeugtes Kind Wolkenquirl-Hubschrauber Z Zielwasser-Schnaps Zigarettenbüchse-Gasmaskenbehälter, der meist zweckentfremdet wurde Zwölfender-Berufssoldat, weil dieser 12 Jahr dienen mußte. 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Zimmferlak I don't dig but Iron pig right?
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Chamale posted:Oh fen roar. Most dialects of German have fairly regular pronunciation once you learn how they spell all the sounds. I can't make promises about how a Bavarian might say anything, though. I actually meant exclusively the rohr part. I'm actually not that bad at pronouncing a good chunk of german words. Navigating the grammar is the wild loving west for me though.
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Frostwerks posted:Zimmferlak I don't dig but Iron pig right? Zimmer (room, chamber) + Flak (abbrevation for "Fliegerabwehrkanone", AA-gun) = pistol Taschenflak (Tasche: pocket) is also in the list, also means pistol Furzfänger (Fart-catcher) for Paradejacket of the Luftwaffe is pretty good too. Lots of other funny analogies. Rohr? (Click the soundbite on the site, below) R not like english R with the tongue, but pharyngal. The R in the end turns more to an A, but it's not transcribed like that. In the bavarian dialect family, "Rohr" would turn more audibly to "Roa". Where I live, in heavy dialect it would turn to "Rearl" or "Röhrl". It's even more complicated as the L in the end can also take on different sounds and I'm not good at phonetic script. Power Khan fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Dec 11, 2014 |
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Chamale posted:Oh fen roar. Most dialects of German have fairly regular pronunciation once you learn how they spell all the sounds. I can't make promises about how a Bavarian might say anything, though. Reason I'm asking is because I checked forvo for it and the source came from what I'm assuming is Bavaria. I know it's in the hills cuz it's in the south and I know the black forest is in baden wurrtemburg and I know where that is. And I swear they pull some tricky poo poo with the rohr and I'm kinda self conscious about pronunciation because I'm trying to do trilled r's for spanish and it's... as they say, loving problematic.
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My German isn't great but I think the OKW one is "party comittee", that's pretty apt. And apparently they called the MG34 "Hitler's saw", that's confusing.
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Yup, Festausschuss = party/festival committee Heh, never heard Gebirgsmarine or Ersatzreserveersatz before. Good ones. Also calling Hitler's HQ "the asylum" is some very, very german dark humor. Oh, and Hausfriedensbruch (german legal term for breaking and entering) for an assault on an enemy position while Hausfriedensbruch mit Ansage (with announcement) is doing the same with artillery support. Magni fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Dec 11, 2014 |
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quote:Eau de Pologne = Jauche, stinkender Schlamm.  impressive burn.
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I've never been in the FDF myself but I've always been fascinated by Finnish military jargon. Some military jargon is so ubiquitous thanks to conscription that it's seeped into colloquial speech. "Molotov cocktail" is by far the most famous coinage by Finnish soldiers (parodying the "Molotov's bread baskets" that the Soviet bombers were claimed to be dropping). Most of it is scatological, naturally, but my personal favourite is calling a task you want to avoid "nakki" which is basically a small sausage, and all its derivatives: if someone has a tendency to collect a lot of sausages they are a sausage trap, and knowing where the best sausage shelter on base is is extremely valuable.
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Antti posted:I've never been in the FDF myself but I've always been fascinated by Finnish military jargon. Some military jargon is so ubiquitous thanks to conscription that it's seeped into colloquial speech. "Molotov cocktail" is by far the most famous coinage by Finnish soldiers (parodying the "Molotov's bread baskets" that the Soviet bombers were claimed to be dropping). So... your mother is a sausage trap?
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Frostwerks posted:So... your mother is a sausage trap? 
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Well done you! Funnily enough sausage or related words are not used phallically in Finnish.
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Wanzenhammer is probably one of the best nicknames that you can pick, if you play warthunder et al.
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Another thing called "nakki" is the vaguely sausage-shaped badge of the duty officer. I would hazard a guess we inherited it from the German feldgendarmerie when the Finnish army was being built. But "nakki" also means a mousetrap, so the saying "nakki napsahti" (which is used to mean "welp, gotta do some poo poo") literally means "the mousetrap snapped shut". Not very milhist in the end.  But anyway, military jargon is pretty great. It's super fascinating how homogenous it actually is: I can trigger people's service traumas everywhere in Finland I go.
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Siivola posted:But "nakki" also means a mousetrap, so the saying "nakki napsahti" (which is used to mean "welp, gotta do some poo poo") literally means "the mousetrap snapped shut". Not very milhist in the end. Edit: Magni posted:very, very german dark humor. quote:V3-spöttisch für Volkssturm HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Dec 11, 2014 |
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Rhymenoserous posted:What comic is this? I keep seeing it and it looks hilarious. http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php
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Oh great, now I want to know all the 2nd World War armies slang now we've been given than awesome German lesson.
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