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Rhyno posted:The collar might just look different because of how it is placed on the dummy versus how it looks when actually worn. Maybe, I know they have very different states of wear and tear so that may be a factor as well even if they're the "same" suit (from different times). Wells' suit is clearly a lot older and more worn, to me.
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DOOP posted:I hate time travel plots It's fairly simple RF is a crazy Flash stalker fan from the future. He replicates the powers and travels back in time using a custom time jump suit made to take on the Flash in his prime but misses the first then he jumps again frying the suit's time travel capabilities. Problem is his first jump butterfly effects the time stream and the Flash doesn't have power, he's some doctor with a wife and kid and the wrong name even. Wells freaks out kills the Not-Flash's wife and frames him for the murder. Then he begins a new quest to make a new Flash, a better flash the original flash is too old but his son, his son will make a wonderful Flash for him to kill.
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Dec 11, 2014 23:03
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I can't wait till the flash runs at light speed
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SirDan3k posted:It's fairly simple RF is a crazy Flash stalker fan from the future. He replicates the powers and travels back in time using a custom time jump suit made to take on the Flash in his prime but misses the first then he jumps again frying the suit's time travel capabilities. Problem is his first jump butterfly effects the time stream and the Flash doesn't have power, he's some doctor with a wife and kid and the wrong name even. Wells freaks out kills the Not-Flash's wife and frames him for the murder. Then he begins a new quest to make a new Flash, a better flash the original flash is too old but his son, his son will make a wonderful Flash for him to kill. I actually figured that Reverse Flash hasn't even killed Nora yet, and when a couple of different people said,"You murdered Nora Allen when her son Barry was a child!" and he didn't reply, it was because he was thinking,"Did I? Guess I better get onto that!"
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Dec 11, 2014 23:35
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Jerusalem posted:I actually figured that Reverse Flash hasn't even killed Nora yet, and when a couple of different people said,"You murdered Nora Allen when her son Barry was a child!" and he didn't reply, it was because he was thinking,"Did I? Guess I better get onto that!" RF said "your mother was fated to die that night" or something similar to Barry, so if he hasn't killed her yet, he knows that he's going to?
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Dec 11, 2014 23:44
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Whoa, It's Detective West's fault that Norah is dead. He asked the RF about it and that's where he got the idea for it. It's all Joe's fault.
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Dec 11, 2014 23:50
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Which ties back to the IMDb listing of Joe as the RF. He said those things about Barry's mum to pass information on, like Wells. If you are going to mention that they are different ethnicities then the answer is speedforce
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Dec 11, 2014 23:54
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Possible spoilerific behind the scenes picture of Robbie Amell That thing on his chest looks suspiciously similar to the one on Firestorm's suit 
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Dec 12, 2014 00:03
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By "suspiciously" you mean "a direct translation of imagery from the comics" right?
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Dec 12, 2014 00:05
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RF and Wells are both stranded in the present after RF murders Nora. Wells is Barry from the future and that's why he's obsessed with making Barry a better Flash to prevent the murder and/or some future event he failed to stop. RF is likely future Eddie and that's why he stops to take a look at his past self instead of immediately killing him/ignoring him all together. RF had a line where he mentions finally meeting Wells that was sarcastic and referred to Wells taking on a new identity. Wells probably either made a clone of or a fake tachyon device for RF. They also both lost their powers due to some sort of science fuckery and RF recently regained it with the particle accelerator thing. This is the only explanation I could think of with it being super convoluted and confusing.
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Dec 12, 2014 00:09
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Wells has harvested all the MotW powers and has Multiplex powers too, obviously.
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tin can made man posted:One thing which I haven't seen mentioned here or by characters in the show is that Zoom very deliberately makes a situation where he can beat the hell out of Wells in front of an audience, with no interruption. There's absolutely no reason for him to run back into the forcefield during its fluctuation except to lay down that beating while everyone is forced to helplessly watch. Is this for misdirection, as others have suggested? Does Zoom, if it's not Wells, have a vendetta against Wells? Maybe he wanted them to deactivate the force field so he could take the tachyon particle device out of it? The force field would probably prevent him from carrying that out safely.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Possible spoilerific behind the scenes picture of Robbie Amell I was wondering if they were going to drop the transmutation powers all together and just stick to fire, but if he's got an atom on his chest then it would make sense to keep the elemental theme. Also, it's cool how they're using a practical light up effect on his costume there. I wonder if that will be enhanced with CGI before broadcast.
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Dec 12, 2014 00:31
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hiddenriverninja posted:One more request please:  its not great
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McDragon posted:In an amazing twist, Barry's dad is Reverse Flash, and he actually did kill his wife. I half-expect something like this, though not by intention - like Barry's dad tries to defend his wife and RF puts her in the proverbial line of fire at the last second or whatever. zoux posted:Well he was investigating it because of the Yellow Blur which is probably a time travelling dude. I wonder if the experiment that killed Wells' wife was a small scale particle accelerator thing that gave him powers though. The way it's been setup, he seems to rely on the suit for his powers, so I doubt that there was a different particle accelerator malfunction or whatever that gave him powers, and this ties in nicely to Wells' reaction and response to Joe's theory along those lines. Wells can honestly claim no metahumans existed before the explosion because RF is not a metahuman.
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Dec 12, 2014 00:46
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Valeyard posted:
thanks, totally getting this my next paycheck! now i need a title for it...
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Dec 12, 2014 00:49
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Habibi posted:Wells can honestly claim no metahumans existed before the explosion because RF is not a metahuman. Or Wells/RF is from the future and did not exist before the explosion
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Raenir K. Artemi posted:Or Wells/RF is from the future and did not exist before the explosion Lots of things are possible.
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Dec 12, 2014 01:09
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I think that after the Reactor explosion, Wells really DID lose the use of his legs. And between then and now he used the RF suit to heal himself, but for some reason he wasn't able to do this when it first happened
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Dec 12, 2014 01:40
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Valeyard posted:I think that after the Reactor explosion, Wells really DID lose the use of his legs. And between then and now he used the RF suit to heal himself, but for some reason he wasn't able to do this when it first happened I think he stood up at the end of the first episode so it'd have to be while Barry was in a coma.
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computer parts posted:I think he stood up at the end of the first episode so it'd have to be while Barry was in a coma. Unless there's another Wells running around! Or rolling around as it may be.
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Some Numbers posted:RF said "your mother was fated to die that night" or something similar to Barry, so if he hasn't killed her yet, he knows that he's going to? One of the interpretations of the Reverse Flash was essentially that. Basically he was a guy in the far future who became a fan of the Flash and in the course of studying the era and The Flash's enemies he figures out that he was the Reverse Flash and the implications drive him nuts. He has to travel back into time and become a villain or causality breaks, he can't deviate from the script even a little and considered himself a prisoner of fate.
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DOOP posted:I hate time travel plots You're watching the wrong show then my friend.
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I think they may be blending the Reverse Flash and Zoom somewhat for the tv version as we've seen Wells protecting the Flash and working against him behind the scenes.
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Rhyno posted:I think they may be blending the Reverse Flash and Zoom somewhat for the tv version as we've seen Wells protecting the Flash and working against him behind the scenes. I think it's pretty clear that he tc Reverse Flash is an amalgam between Thawne and Zoom.
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Bozart posted:I just want Wells to somehow be a good guy. Do you know how many Averngers started out as Avengers foes? Like, most of the roster.
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Bozart posted:I just want Wells to somehow be a good guy. To be fair, he only shanked one dude who was, like, a douchebag.
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Flesh Forge posted:To be fair, he only shanked one dude who was, like, a douchebag. But Plastique and Girder dying are both indirectly his doing, and everyone that died when the reactor malfunctioned are his responsibility as well because it's clear he caused the accident. And he's done everything the Reverse Flash will do, which probably makes him pretty drat awful.
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Spatula City posted:But Plastique and Girder dying are both indirectly his doing, and everyone that died when the reactor malfunctioned are his responsibility as well because it's clear he caused the accident. And he's done everything the Reverse Flash will do, which probably makes him pretty drat awful. He has future knowledge. Maybe they all become Hitlers.
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There's plenty of time for Wells to have a redemption arc, but there's a lot of other threats that there's no reason to make him the entire long-plot. I'd like to see Grodd to be a season threat between the villain of the week episodes, as well.
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Rhyno posted:I think they may be blending the Reverse Flash and Zoom somewhat for the tv version as we've seen Wells protecting the Flash and working against him behind the scenes. I really enjoyed the whole "MAKE YOU BETTER" Zoom stuff in the Flash comics. So I'm really digging that they have RF/Zoom going that route. Tragedy will only make him stronger.
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I generally despise time travel plots, since they give the writers a thousand ways to undo important decisions. But I have faith that they'll immediately place restrictions on the time travel nonsense as soon as it explicitly appears. Also, kudos to whoever guessed that Wells was telling RF about Thawne with his whole "DETECTIVE THAWNE GO DO THIS THING" schpiel. No idea how that factors in, but I'm certain that was a key moment.
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Just a crazy theory. But when Wells asked who the Arrow was, and then was denied and answer, but then later name dropped Oliver it could shed some light on if he is from the future. If he was from the future he would've already known Oliver Queen was the Arrow just because Oliver sucks at keeping his identity a secret and literally everyone but Lance and Thea know he is the loving Arrow. Even his mom knew, Jesus.
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Windows 98 posted:Just a crazy theory. But when Wells asked who the Arrow was, and then was denied and answer, but then later name dropped Oliver it could shed some light on if he is from the future. If he was from the future he would've already known Oliver Queen was the Arrow just because Oliver sucks at keeping his identity a secret and literally everyone but Lance and Thea know he is the loving Arrow. Even his mom knew, Jesus. I think he knew he had to put on a show, because if he just knew Oliver was the Arrow, that would look a lot more suspicious than asking Felicity (telling her he doesn't know) and then name dropping him later.
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Some Numbers posted:I think he knew he had to put on a show, because if he just knew Oliver was the Arrow, that would look a lot more suspicious than asking Felicity (telling her he doesn't know) and then name dropping him later. Well that's what I mean. The mere fact that he already knows it could be from knowledge of the future seeing how Oliver sucks balls at keeping his identity a secret.
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Barry isn't either. "Oh you are the girlfriend if one of Arrow's friends? I'm the Flash!"
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Barry isn't either. Barry subconsciously wants his identity to be outed so that Iris can know he's the Flash without breaking his promise to his surrogate father. "Oh, I didn't tell her, I just told literally everybody else."
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hiddenriverninja posted:thanks, totally getting this my next paycheck! Wouldn't your current one fit just as well?
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