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Rumda posted:So unironicly enjoying rape joke and straight up racist bullshit does NOT make you a terrible person. That tells us more about you than any thing else. Finding humor in something dark isn't equivalent to endorsing that thing or being unable to understand something is a hideous thing. Even in something as insignificant as a card game, straw men are bad arguments.
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Rumda posted:So unironicly enjoying rape joke and straight up racist bullshit does NOT make you a terrible person. That tells us more about you than any thing else. Anyone who enjoys black comedy confirmed for terrible individual, apparently. I mean, aside from the part where that's ridiculous bullshit but ok. like i know CAH isn't a particularly good game but suggesting that anyone who likes it is a terrible person is pretty loving far removed from reality as well as being goony as hell. SuccinctAndPunchy fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Dec 12, 2014 11:41
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I don't think I'd play Dominion or Netrunner with overtly shocking, ironically racist themes. I guess I don't see a reason to play Apples to Apples with the same. Of course, the last time I played Cards Against Humanity, I had to explain what happened at Auschwitz to somebody. After that the fun joking times were over for the night.
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Dec 12, 2014 12:35
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Jedit posted:If I've read the rules right, you don't even need to make associations. You can use the number of cards you give to each player to create a simple mathematical code that guarantees victory at any player count or difficulty. There's an easy counter to your mathematical code issue, because you can easily say 'Hey guys let's not setup a system beforehand' and since you can't communicate without the use of cards if you are the ghost, there is no way to setup such a system through the actual progress of the game. Unless you still want to use it anyway, in which case your friends will still try to make associations using the pictures rather than the number of cards because the latter RUINS THE PURPOSE OF THE GAME ENTIRELY and only an entirely joyless dullard. Please don't counter with 'Well Tekopo weren't you railing against Stay Away and Panic Station for the same reason  ' because the difference between Mysterium and those games are that those are competitive games with winners and losers. If you 'win' Mysterium through such a system, you are still losing.This is the same sort of poo poo as playing Hanabi with a system where you always point first to the card that you want the other person to play and then complaining that you get 25 every single game.
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Dec 12, 2014 12:52
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Tekopo posted:I don't understand why you would willingly and directly setup a system with your friends that needs to be discussed in detail outside of the game in order to work, so that you can 'win' a game that is an entirely co-operative experience. Different strokes for different folks, some find maths easier than reading the rules.
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Dec 12, 2014 12:55
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Lichtenstein, if that is something for your group, then why would you buy a co-operative game that relies on giving esoteric clues through the use of dixit-like cards? Then fair enough, the game isn't for your group because you have a group that would willingly circumvent the rules just because they want the game 'solvable', but that's not going to apply to any group that has an iota of sense and knows that setting up such a system and then use it would just ruin the experience for everyone involved. I admit, after a while you have too much of a system in place and as stated before, replay-ability with the same group is suspect, but can you see yourself saying to a some newbies to the game 'okay, you are meant to use the card art to get clues on who the murderer is/how the murder was done/where the murder is done, but instead we are going to setup a mathematical system based on number of cards played since that ensures we win the game 100% of the time, everyone on board?' without getting punched in the face?
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Dec 12, 2014 13:03
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It was simply a cheap Jedit joke.
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Dec 12, 2014 13:06
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Madmarker posted:Storyteller asks a question. I'm pretty sure this is one of the numerous tabletop videos where they get the rules wrong, either by accident or as a house rule, and neglect to ever mention the fact to the viewers. I would not use it as an impression of the game.
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Dec 12, 2014 13:31
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Dulkor posted:Finding humor in something dark isn't equivalent to endorsing that thing or being unable to understand something is a hideous thing. Even in something as insignificant as a card game, straw men are bad arguments. Actually, it is.
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Dec 12, 2014 13:32
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Tekopo posted:This is the same sort of poo poo as playing Hanabi with a system where you always point first to the card that you want the other person to play and then complaining that you get 25 every single game. I've seen something similar with Hanabi, with a system of tells via discarded cards. There was also an inordinate amount of shrugs, flinches and coughs during every play. Some people just can't take a loss.
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Scyther posted:I'm pretty sure this is one of the numerous tabletop videos where they get the rules wrong, either by accident or as a house rule, and neglect to ever mention the fact to the viewers. I would not use it as an impression of the game. Tabletop is a good series to watch if you want an overall impression of a game, but when it comes to rules they've outright admitted they change some things to make it more digestible for their series. They don't, unfortunately, explain when or where they change these rules so you can't use them as 'how to play' or you'll likely miss something.
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Dec 12, 2014 13:57
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Finally got to crack open Space Alert, and it's every bit as great as I expected. Played with 5 people almost entirely new to the game. We had some close calls during the simulations, but we won all of them, even getting through with no damage a few times. Then I told everyone about the observation window, and things went substantially downhill for the actual missions... Long story short, we lost a bunch because we though we'd had everything handled, and then instead of firing off everything we could in the last rounds for celebration, we decided to stare out the window instead. Straight at the thing we thought we'd dealt with but hadn't.
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Dec 12, 2014 14:09
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I'll leave the derail about the ethics of CAH alone after this, but suffice it to say that you can joke about things like racism or western rape culture without punching down at victims or supporting either. For example, a card combination that won a round one of the last times I played CAH was "Lifetime presents: Black People, The Story of White People." This is a joke about racism, certainly. Specifically cultural appropriation and the tendency of so many 'empowering black stories' in the media to actually be about white people showing up and fixing the problems of those silly minorities. But the joke itself isn't automatically racist. Like anything else, the game is what you make it. I don't even like the game itself all that much, but I like seeing what kind of things the people I know can come up with out of the deck and generally bullshitting until people are ready for something crunchy and, y'know, actually a game. Admittedly, if I had a group that constantly went for low hanging fruit or openly bigoted jokes, I'd have a greatly reduced opinion of the product and wouldn't touch it. Even then, I'd still rather play Dixit when I don't get voted down on it.
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Dec 12, 2014 14:15
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Eat poo poo You Cat is the only drunk party game anyone needs.
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Dec 12, 2014 14:23
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What, you guys don't play Presidents and Assholes? What about Waterfall or Categories? Spoons or Bullshit? What the gently caress happened? I tell racist jokes while playing those cards games. It's all good fun.
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Dec 12, 2014 14:29
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I'm trying to remember the name of a really nerdy programming card game. It's a two-player game. The cards are programming statements that move index counters for either you or your opponent. The goal is to move those index counters one way or another; I can't remember which. The Dice Tower did a review of it, of all people. You're not thinking of One Zero One, are you?
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I'm trying to remember the name of a really nerdy programming card game. It's a two-player game. The cards are programming statements that move index counters for either you or your opponent. The goal is to move those index counters one way or another; I can't remember which. The Dice Tower did a review of it, of all people. ^^^^^ Beaten ^^^^^ One Zero One Ropes4u fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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After ~70 games I finally started playing Race for the Galaxy: Alien Artifacts with the Orb add-on and.. I actually like it a lot. The rules aren't as fiddly or constraining as I remembered, it makes several of the cards in the deck more interesting, and I'm impressed by how it translates the bluffing and trade-off aspects of the main game to what feels much more like a "real" board game. I was blocked from my goals several times and then won the game because I placed a card to block my friend from gaining a large VP reward token by one space on the last turn, so there was a neat addition of passive-aggressive interaction as well. I can understand why some people think the slight slow-down in play is a deal breaker though. Scyther posted:I'm pretty sure this is one of the numerous tabletop videos where they get the rules wrong, either by accident or as a house rule, and neglect to ever mention the fact to the viewers. I would not use it as an impression of the game. That's a pretty funny criticism of a video in which IIRC they go "WE'RE USING A HOUSE RULE" multiple times. Tabletop's not great but I think someone can get a reasonable idea of what Say Anything will be like from it.
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Anyone who enjoys black comedy confirmed for terrible individual, apparently. I mean, aside from the part where that's ridiculous bullshit but ok. The Cards Against Humanity humor/endorsement of terrible things actually isn't what it appears to be on the surface. In CAH, there aren't any jokes. Just references. People aren't laughing at hilarious rape jokes; they're laughing at the word rape. The "humor" of the game is that people are simply trying to be as offensive as possible without saying the N-word. Even George Carlin would admit that's kind of an awful way to be. Bubble-T posted:That's a pretty funny criticism of a video in which IIRC they go "WE'RE USING A HOUSE RULE" multiple times. Tabletop's not great but I think someone can get a reasonable idea of what Say Anything will be like from it. Such a thing would be acceptable if Tabletop didn't have a consistent habit of getting the rules wrong to nearly every single game they played.
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Broken Loose posted:Such a thing would be acceptable if Tabletop didn't have a consistent habit of getting the rules wrong to nearly every single game they played. Not disagreeing with that but the video in question is still a poor example for the criticism.
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Countblanc posted:Happiness is that feeling you get when you open up a game you just got in the mail, before the realization that you won't play it sets in. I'll... I'll get to play Mage Knight sometime! I know I will! 
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It looks like my question stirred the embers and created a full out CaH argument. My apologies to the thread. We are going to gamble with Dixit. It is an excellent game and I think they'll enjoy it. Note that if you have an opportunity to play flash point with actual fire fighters, do it. It was hilarious. Apparently the starting setup is likely to be an arson because they're are multiple origin points. They also spent a lot of time hugging the walls and closing doors behind them because that is what they are trained to do.
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Rusty Kettle posted:Note that if you have an opportunity to play flash point with actual fire fighters, do it. It was hilarious. Apparently the starting setup is likely to be an arson because they're are multiple origin points. They also spent a lot of time hugging the walls and closing doors behind them because that is what they are trained to do. This is amazing. Thank you for sharing!
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EscortMission posted:I don't think I'd play
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Dec 12, 2014 16:56
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No no no you don't have to pay the brown tokens because they're from spaiiinnnn riiiight...?
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Istvun posted:I'll... I'll get to play Mage Knight sometime! I know I will! Just play it solo forever.
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Got my package of Through the Ages today and have bunch of goddamn christmas parties to go to this weekend like a real rear end in a top hat.
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SU&SD Top 5:quote:5 - Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective
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I had some words about CaH, but if you're going to unironically judge people based on their possession, playing, and enjoyment of a certain card game then I would probably say that you need to take a step back and do some self-reflection because you just might be the poo poo-lord. Edit: Boy oh boy, am I glad I didn't bet against Cosmic Encounter being #1. For the people who posted their predictions, who was the most right?
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I called their #1 and nothing else. I was 100% correct.
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I guess the difference between my tastes and SU&SD is that I want games that I can play, not games that I can pretend to play.
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Does Two Rooms and a Boom not count as a Mafia-esque game? Was Archipelago nowhere on their top 25?
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Quinns posted:Yeah, the lack of deck builders was a shame! Any one of Arctic Scavengers, Trains and A Few Acres of Snow might have found their way into the list if it was a top 40. Is what I think best summarizes the bizarreness of this list. Also, I consider myself the rightest, because I called Cosmic Encounter first, I called Netrunner in the top 3 and I'm myself, so there's some bias involved.
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4 - Two Rooms & A Boom Awesome game. If they'd ever deliver the loving thing. I haven't even got my KS copy and I'm already over that game.
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Zveroboy posted:SU&SD Top 5: What a loving bizarre list
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quote:HONOURABLE MENTIONS FOR ALMOST MAKING THE TOP 25:
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True story: I won two rooms and a boom 3 out of 4 times, once as sniper, once as target, once as regular red, and once as blue president, each one through a strategy of basically never revealing my card e. g. not actually playing the game or giving anyone information necessary to win the game.
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LuiCypher posted:I had some words about CaH, but if you're going to unironically judge people based on their possession, playing, and enjoyment of a certain card game then I would probably say that you need to take a step back and do some self-reflection because you just might be the poo poo-lord. At this point it's just quicker to tell people they're a bad person for liking game X. The alternative is multi-pages of people getting offended while we repeatedly tell them that liking a bad game != being a bad person but they ignore it anyway.
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LuiCypher posted:I had some words about CaH, but if you're going to unironically judge people based on their possession, playing, and enjoyment of a certain card game then I would probably say that you need to take a step back and do some self-reflection because you just might be the poo poo-lord. I think that you might not be a cis-scum shitlord for liking CaH, but you might be something even worse for getting upset that your taste in media might reflect who you are as a person: a baby.
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Schizoguy posted:You're not thinking of One Zero One, are you? Actually, no. This is something else completely. I am pretty surprised to find something similar. How did this never even come up in searches? I guess trying to look up "programming card game" brings up a lot of noise about ... programming a card game. This game here seems to have a more generally positive reception. The one I was thinking of was pretty much for programmers only. It was even nerdier.
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