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The Duchess Smackarse
May 8, 2012

by Lowtax
You're loving joking, right?

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homullus
Mar 27, 2009

Best part of the EU, or worst? (NSFW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVJjP2Jsj1g

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Groovelord Neato posted:

That gif is the prequels.
It would be more accurate if you replaced that background with a blank green screen, since Lucas insisted on green-screening EVERYTHING in the prequels.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

FlamingLiberal posted:

It would be more accurate if you replaced that background with a blank green screen, since Lucas insisted on green-screening EVERYTHING in the prequels.

why didn't lucas hire stunt men to wear green suits to do better light saber fights, and just green screen the actors faces and costumes onto the dudes?

Present
Oct 28, 2011

by Shine

TOILETLORD posted:

why didn't lucas hire stunt men to wear green suits to do better light saber fights, and just green screen the actors faces and costumes onto the dudes?

Pretty sure that's what he did for parts of the Yoda/count Dooku fight and it looked terrible.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

Present posted:

Pretty sure that's what he did for parts of the Yoda/count Dooku fight and it looked terrible.

can we force disney to just make the guy that plays the green arrow a jedi, since he can do stunt work? Heck i'd watch a movie that was just the supernatural guys as bounty hunters.

Present
Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
The guy that played Darth Maul was their actual movie fight choreographer or something like that so that's why all his fights were super sweet.

Best part of Episode One. Not like that is saying much.

Sammus
Nov 30, 2005

Present posted:

Best part of Episode One. Not like that is saying much.

Nope. Episode One sets the bar pretty low. Star Wars Christmas low.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Present posted:

The guy that played Darth Maul was their actual movie fight choreographer or something like that so that's why all his fights were super sweet.

Best part of Episode One. Not like that is saying much.
That actor is also a trained martial artist. Maul was the perfect role for him since he had like 5 whole lines and mostly just glowered.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Present posted:

The guy that played Darth Maul was their actual movie fight choreographer or something like that so that's why all his fights were super sweet.

Best part of Episode One. Not like that is saying much.

Yeah that's Ray Park, who does a lot of fight choreography-heavy roles and started as a stunt double.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

FlamingLiberal posted:

That actor is also a trained martial artist. Maul was the perfect role for him since he had like 5 whole lines and mostly just glowered.

And his five lines were dubbed over by Peter Serafinowicz.
Also, the guy who played Wedge is scottish, and every movie he was redubbed with a different person.
And David Prowse is also scottish, and got redubbed by James Earl Jones.

I think Star Wars just hates scotland.

Lincoln
May 12, 2007

Ladies.

Arcsquad12 posted:

David Prowse is also scottish

Wha I thought he was English.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Lincoln posted:

Wha I thought he was English.

it is well known that scotland is a part of england :smug:

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE
Darth Vader with Prowse's West-country accent would've almost been as ridiculous as the Star Wars EU.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Tsaedje posted:

Darth Vader with Prowse's West-country accent would've almost been as ridiculous as the Star Wars EU.

Darth Prowse is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQFho0_G1VI

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

Arcsquad12 posted:

Also, the guy who played Wedge is scottish, and every movie he was redubbed with a different person.

Wedge is also Ewan McGregor's real life Uncle.

Sombrerotron
Aug 1, 2004

Release my children! My hat is truly great and mighty.

Tsaedje posted:

Darth Vader with Prowse's West-country accent would've almost been as ridiculous as the Star Wars EU.
"Nohw Lewk, oi'm yer fahther, oo-arr."

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

i went to one of these wrestling shows and it was... honestly? frickin boring. i wanna see ricky! i want to see his gold chains and respect for the ftw lifestyle

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

Wedge is also Ewan McGregor's real life Uncle.

learned a lot of completely useless trivia today

the darth maul fight is actually pretty dope. between that and the podracing video game episode 1 actually had some redeeming features.

homullus
Mar 27, 2009

shiksa posted:

learned a lot of completely useless trivia today

the darth maul fight is actually pretty dope. between that and the podracing video game episode 1 actually had some redeeming features.

I think racing and vehicle culture are two of George Lucas' under-appreciated strengths. In a lot of sci-fi, the "good guys" all have one kind of ship and the "bad guys" all have another (maybe one other kind that's their base in space).

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Present posted:

The guy that played Darth Maul was their actual movie fight choreographer or something like that so that's why all his fights were super sweet.

Best part of Episode One. Not like that is saying much.

No the fights were hella dumb.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
This stuff makes me cringe the most
https://www.youtube.com/user/kidcardco

The sorts of people raging that the expanded universe isn't canon anymore are literally retarded

Like how the gently caress do they expect them to make a new movie and adhere to hundreds of tie-in novels and comics, that vast majority of which are really loving stupid

That would require the writers to:
1) Be familiar with ALL of that poo poo, something no professional writer has time to do
2) Make movies that cater to a tiny portion of moviegoers who have actually read all this poo poo and gently caress everybody else who chooses not to
3) Be constricted within the confines of 30 years of continuity at the expense of a good story

Anyone with more than two brain cells would realize how insane this would be, but then again nobody who thinks the EU is actually good has more than two brain cells. Like most of this poo poo is so bad it makes the prequels look like good movies

Plus Mara Jade and Thrawn are really popular anyways and will almost definitely return in some form in the new EU

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


lol that anyone over the age of 12 thought the EU was "cool" or had any merit.

Technocrat
Jan 30, 2011

I always finish what I sta

Lincoln posted:

Wha I thought he was English.

He is, he's from Bristol

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Groovelord Neato posted:

lol that anyone over the age of 12 thought the EU was "cool" or had any merit.

honestly it's really kind of depressing that people are getting worked up over what is "canon" and what isn't. it's all fictional. like watching the youtube videos of idiot nerd losers screaming in outrage about how dare the mouse say those stories aren't real is honestly starting to make me :smith:

like seriously I've struggled with depression and hated my life for years but I can't even begin to contemplate how terrible their lives must be if they choose to exist in a fantasy world like this. it's just so sad and pathetic.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
Yeah if you're gonna live in a fictional world, at least take the one with holodeck porn and real democracy, for God's sake

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Gammatron 64 posted:

honestly it's really kind of depressing that people are getting worked up over what is "canon" and what isn't. it's all fictional. like watching the youtube videos of idiot nerd losers screaming in outrage about how dare the mouse say those stories aren't real is honestly starting to make me :smith:

like seriously I've struggled with depression and hated my life for years but I can't even begin to contemplate how terrible their lives must be if they choose to exist in a fantasy world like this. it's just so sad and pathetic.

But if you're gonna get your gundarks in a knot over your fiction at least let it be not embarrassingly bad. EU is some Dr Who level poo poo.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

Groovelord Neato posted:

But if you're gonna get your gundarks in a knot over your fiction at least let it be not embarrassingly bad. EU is some Dr Who level poo poo.

dunno lets compare it to the star trek books.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Gammatron 64 posted:

honestly it's really kind of depressing that people are getting worked up over what is "canon" and what isn't. it's all fictional. like watching the youtube videos of idiot nerd losers screaming in outrage about how dare the mouse say those stories aren't real is honestly starting to make me :smith:

like seriously I've struggled with depression and hated my life for years but I can't even begin to contemplate how terrible their lives must be if they choose to exist in a fantasy world like this. it's just so sad and pathetic.

My entire experience with the EU ending was me reading about it here, feeling bummed out for a night, and checking out the last book released in the series after not touching any EU books for 8 years.

After reading the last 20 pages of Crucible I was laughing so hard I couldn't even see. What the EU was to me as a child was a engaging series of books and comics where I could read about the lives of my favorite characters and their kids. What the EU became in the last decade was a complete joke of a franchise that no one at LucasArts really gave a poo poo about and just authorized contracts and deals to people on the basis that the original cast was untouchable and past that anything was possible.

I'd really love to see an interview with the LucasArts people and the writing staff involved with the very first NJO book where Chewbacca died where they had a meeting and worked out exactly what they were allowed to do, how Chewbacca had to die, etc. That seems to be the very last time the LA editorial staff exerted any influence over the EU novel process.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
The last EU book I read was Death Troopers and it was really bad but not in a funny way. Just sort of meandering and boring. Did you know that Han Solo fought zombies?????? It's true

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013
I want KOTOR 1 and 2 to be at least somewhat canon, as well as Kyle Katarn. That's about all I want to be canon again.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Is that Star Wars kid video considered canon?

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

i went to one of these wrestling shows and it was... honestly? frickin boring. i wanna see ricky! i want to see his gold chains and respect for the ftw lifestyle
star wars zombies should have been the last eu book and then shut it down and slit the throat of the author as a ritual sacrifice at the altar of creative bankruptcy.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

shiksa posted:

star wars zombies should have been the last eu book and then shut it down and slit the throat of the author as a ritual sacrifice at the altar of creative bankruptcy.

they fought zombies on clone wars.

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

SaltLick posted:

Is that Star Wars kid video considered canon?

Sorry, I think Darth Adipos got relegated to non-canon status.

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy

SunAndSpring posted:

I want KOTOR 1 and 2 to be at least somewhat canon, as well as Kyle Katarn. That's about all I want to be canon again.

The videogames are better than the movies, at least when they are not just cloning the drat movies.

Yoda Stories is canon right?

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


pentyne posted:

My entire experience with the EU ending was me reading about it here, feeling bummed out for a night, and checking out the last book released in the series after not touching any EU books for 8 years.

After reading the last 20 pages of Crucible I was laughing so hard I couldn't even see. What the EU was to me as a child was a engaging series of books and comics where I could read about the lives of my favorite characters and their kids. What the EU became in the last decade was a complete joke of a franchise that no one at LucasArts really gave a poo poo about and just authorized contracts and deals to people on the basis that the original cast was untouchable and past that anything was possible.

I'd really love to see an interview with the LucasArts people and the writing staff involved with the very first NJO book where Chewbacca died where they had a meeting and worked out exactly what they were allowed to do, how Chewbacca had to die, etc. That seems to be the very last time the LA editorial staff exerted any influence over the EU novel process.

It's easy to call the EU itself kinda stupid, and it is. But it's also designed largely for "young adults" and to evangelize the brand. Even when I was a teen I knew some or most of the books were bad (The Crystal Star, one of the most boring books I've ever read), but some of it was fun at the time. The plot to Darksaber is ridiculous, and then there's Bossk's coming-of-age story where he has to eat his dad because he's too old. Crazy bounty hunters are essentially the coolest thing about the setting other than Jedi.

The really dumb poo poo comes from the people who can't let it go and instead make it part of their ego. At the shallow end, people don't realize that the supposedly "best" stuff (Thrawn trilogy) is just as dumb as anything. It took like five posts in this thread for someone to tear Thrawn apart, but I don't know how many years in a row I would hear someone say they should film that crap. At the deep end, "childhoods" are "destroyed" when a studio announces they are not following the plot of 200 really lovely tie-in books and comics.

Probably the only really good things to come out of the "EU" are a small handful of video games. As far as I know that's basically:

-KOTOR 1 and patched KOTOR 2
-Battlefront 2
-The Jedi Knight Series (Academy still has an active lightsaber duel server population)
-X-Wing Vs. TIE Fighter
-Lego STAR WARS, still by far the best Lego game, for whatever that's worth
-The first level of The Force Unleashed, after that the game becomes progressively less fun
-Some people like Republic Commando, I thought it was poo poo

...And that's about it.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Groovelord Neato posted:

But if you're gonna get your gundarks in a knot over your fiction at least let it be not embarrassingly bad. EU is some Dr Who level poo poo.

Yeah Dr. Who is just loving awful.

Star Trek sometimes gets really bad, but it also has very, very little emphasis on continuity compared to Star Wars. A bad Trek episode or movie doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things. I thought Into Darkness was really dumb but it doesn't exactly bother me because there's plenty of other good Trek movies and I can just ignore it. It's not like Into Darkness, Star Trek 5, Insurrection or Nemesis make any other Trek stuff less enjoyable.

pentyne posted:

My entire experience with the EU ending was me reading about it here, feeling bummed out for a night, and checking out the last book released in the series after not touching any EU books for 8 years.

Same here, I used to be really, really, REALLY into Star Wars and the EU while I was still in high school but once I became an adult I realized just how dumb it was. Plus, the New Jedi Order has like 20 books in it. Who has time to loving read all of that?

Even regardless of quality, both Star Wars and Star Trek were in dire need of reboots just because they had both gotten so drat big and bloated over the years.

Plus, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn and Shadows of the Empire are all really popular and I'm sure they're going to show up again in some shape or form. Mara Jade might not be Luke's wife this time around, but I'm sure she'll be back.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Also the Episode 1: Racer Arcade cabinet with the sit in cockpit and twin throttles and such. That was cool.

EMILY BLUNTS
Jan 1, 2005

All of it

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EMILY BLUNTS
Jan 1, 2005

it's not even cringeworthy
It's cringeworthless

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