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Skip My Posts posted:Sounds retarded Yeah.
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I mean it would be retarded to go through with the trouble and consequences of having a guy take a dive when they can easily find some bum to legitimately lose to him. Or he may lose horribly.
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Dec 12, 2014 23:15
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There is no point in getting a can to take a dive, you either do one or the other.
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Dec 12, 2014 23:24
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Dangersim posted:There is no point in getting a can to take a dive, you either do one or the other. Mickey Rourke's homeless opponent disagrees.
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Dec 12, 2014 23:27
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Skinty McEdger posted:Right but the first ppv is the only one you have any guarantee that people will have unrealistic expectations of him. Even if he wins his first fight but looks boring as poo poo in doing so you're going to piss away money later on because it'll turn off fans. It's promoting 101, you make your audience pay for your draws, and for his first fight at least he's a draw. You can later book him on whatever you want, but that first PPV is the one that will have the most chance of drawing fans, particularly if you promote it strongly. Yea the debut fight will bring the non-UFC fans to watch an event but that doesn't mean they will continue to only watch Punk. That's the whole missing point in the idea that conversion is dependent on how Punk does. It's not nearly as important as having his fight sandwiched with REALLY good bookings so the new viewers actually watch something that gets them interested in the sport itself. Punk is merely bait to put new viewers on the product and that means Punk is a sideshow attraction to an otherwise stellar event. The wrong way to book, PPV or not, is to have Punk carry a UFC card. This will definitely not happen as it's completely bad business sense. I would not be surprised to see some of the best (on-paper) match ups of 2015 be saved and dumped onto the main card with Punk.
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Dec 12, 2014 23:37
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Dangersim posted:There is no point in getting a can to take a dive, you either do one or the other. CM Punk is such a bad fighter that Bob Sapp fighting at 185 actively trying to submit would KO him.
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Dec 12, 2014 23:38
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Kurohashi posted:Yea the debut fight will bring the non-UFC fans to watch an event but that doesn't mean they will continue to only watch Punk. That's the whole missing point in the idea that conversion is dependent on how Punk does. It's not nearly as important as having his fight sandwiched with REALLY good bookings so the new viewers actually watch something that gets them interested in the sport itself. Punk is merely bait to put new viewers on the product and that means Punk is a sideshow attraction to an otherwise stellar event. The wrong way to book, PPV or not, is to have Punk carry a UFC card. This will definitely not happen as it's completely bad business sense. I would not be surprised to see some of the best (on-paper) match ups of 2015 be saved and dumped onto the main card with Punk. I was about to post this exact sentiment. Punk will bring in guys who are just wrestling fans and a bunch of kids who grew up cheering for him in WWE and haven't really gotten exposed to MMA yet. If the UFC brings in a bunch of extra viewers, but they pay Punk appropriately for it, their net gain is still zero. They'd have to be idiots not to put Punk in a million different youtube series to try to stir up some curiosity and interest in the sport as a whole. And that whole card better be tight as hell because it's going to have to make people who aren't die hard into MMA not regret spending their time and money on it.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:03
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Dana should go all out and sign more (popular) pro-wrestlers who want to fight for real.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:06
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Great White Hope posted:CM Punk is such a bad fighter that Bob Sapp fighting at 185 actively trying to submit would KO him. Wouldn't Sapp need to be an actual skeleton before he made 185? I mean, he'd still win, but it would be hard for him to drink the victory champaign afterwards.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:10
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Ligur posted:Dana should go all out and sign more (popular) pro-wrestlers who want to fight for real. Cena would crush every competitor in the UFC. It would get real boring real fast.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:14
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Burt Buckle posted:Cena would crush every competitor in the UFC. It would get real boring real fast. Cena couldn't pass a drug test if you told him it was in 3 months. That guy is held together by more HGH and TRT than Joe Rogan will use in his lifetime.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:27
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Has former MMA fighter Hulk Hogan chimed in on this recent turn of events? As a pro-wrestling/MMA pioneer (he fought in Pride, you know!) I figure he'd have lots to say.  And no one has that picture of Nick Diaz and Heyman? Only one I could find through Google searches was a tiny-rear end thumbnail.
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Dec 13, 2014 00:51
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i wonder how many fans the ufc gained from brock being in the ufc and how many immediately left after he was annihilated
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Dec 13, 2014 01:03
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I don't think you need to know all the ins and outs of MMA to realise it's pretty likely punk will be murderised if his opponent has seriously trained any martial art for any real length of time.
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Dec 13, 2014 01:18
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Bobtista posted:I don't think you need to know all the ins and outs of MMA to realise it's pretty likely punk will be murderised if his opponent has seriously trained any martial art for any real length of time. Spoiler: His opponent will not have seriously trained any martial art for any real length of time
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Dec 13, 2014 01:22
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fatherdog posted:Spoiler: His opponent will not have seriously trained any martial art for any real length of time What's Seth Petruzelli doing these days?
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fatherdog posted:Spoiler: His opponent will not have seriously trained any martial art for any real length of time I wanna be like "why on Earth would an athletic commission go for this?" and I know that the answer relies upon millions of dollars and  athletic commissions I just hope that Punk is healthy enough to play for the Ice Hogs after this stint in MMA ends. Punk on Ice has got a nice ring to it.
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DeathChicken posted:Not that Punk is or ever will be near the skills of Brock Lesnar, but I am reminded of how a good chunk of people were yelling for Brock to lose the duration of his MMA career because he was a Fake Wrestle Guy. Punk already has that going for him in that he'll draw in people who are curious and people who just want the Fake Wrestle Guy to get his head kicked off. Win win. This absolutely isn't true, people hated Brock for the way he disrespected the Budweiser brand.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:22
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I was more upset at the notion of him laying on his wife.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:23
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Punk is going to get rock em sock em robo'd
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fatherdog posted:[url=https://twitter.com/JoeLauzon/status/543546698442620929] That's a great answer lol
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Dec 13, 2014 03:33
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kimbo's heavyweight boatyard boxing title was way more relevant than any wwf belt
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Dec 13, 2014 08:11
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Marching Powder posted:i wonder how many fans the ufc gained from brock being in the ufc and how many immediately left after he was annihilated UFC did some market research after his first fight that indicated 300,000 of the buys were from people who had never bought a UFC show before.
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Dec 13, 2014 08:46
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MassRafTer posted:UFC did some market research after his first fight that indicated 300,000 of the buys were from people who had never bought a UFC show before. jesus christ
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Dec 13, 2014 09:27
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Dangersim posted:jesus christ Wrestling fans are used to buying PPVs so it shouldn't really be that surprising that Brock spiked a big buyrate. It probably helped that Brock is basically a shaved gorilla and they were also expecting him to do well.
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MrBling posted:It probably helped that Brock is basically a shaved gorilla and they were also expecting him to do well.
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Dec 13, 2014 12:08
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Dangersim posted:jesus christ add to this that Lesnar was never really a guy in WWE who had his own fanbase in the way that CM Punk does it doesn't matter if he's fighting a literal garbage can, he'll still draw absurd numbers, particularly if they go hog wild on promoting it
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Dec 13, 2014 12:44
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I wonder what it takes to get Chuck Norris back into the fight game! DO IT DANA!!!
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Skip My Posts posted:Also it seems like some of them think his fights are gonna be fake. Duke Droese confirmed for ufc 185
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FullLeatherJacket posted:add to this that Lesnar was never really a guy in WWE who had his own fanbase in the way that CM Punk does CM Punk's fan base is also motivated to show Vince McMahon that they are willing to support Punk financially. His ProWrestlingTees site basically wrecked their website briefly with the number of orders. So not only do you have people conditioned to buying PPVs, but you have the added incentive for some of buying as a mild protest. Punk's first fight will pop a massive buyrate and Dana White will get a new Bible gun.
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Dec 13, 2014 16:36
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Charles Gnarwin posted:CM Punk's fan base is also motivated to show Vince McMahon that they are willing to support Punk financially. His ProWrestlingTees site basically wrecked their website briefly with the number of orders. So not only do you have people conditioned to buying PPVs, but you have the added incentive for some of buying as a mild protest. ProWrestlingTees is not a very well run business.
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Dec 14, 2014 03:17
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Dec 14, 2014 03:20
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A BOWEL movement
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MassRafTer posted:ProWrestlingTees is not a very well run business. I think they get their internet infrastructure from the same guys as Colt Cabana...
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Memento posted:I think they get their internet infrastructure from the same guys as Colt Cabana... colt cabana is a part owner so
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Dec 14, 2014 05:29
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Arent' the UFC up to some shenanigans when it comes to picking a winner in some hard to call circumstances though? I'm asking this as a legitimate question. I don't know for sure, but I've heard that at times some decisions were quite disgusting and should'e been given to the the loser even after watching video evidence.
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Dec 14, 2014 07:57
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Odddzy posted:Arent' the UFC up to some shenanigans when it comes to picking a winner in some hard to call circumstances though? I'm asking this as a legitimate question. I don't know for sure, but I've heard that at times some decisions were quite disgusting and should'e been given to the the loser even after watching video evidence. Judges are independent and the UFC has no sway over their oftentimes terrible decisions.
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Whoops, double post.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Judges are independent and the UFC has no sway over their oftentimes terrible decisions. This, and the problem is incompetence not corruption.
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