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100 Years Ago Enver Pasha arrives to lay out his clever plan for an attack in the Caucasus. It's extremely ambitious, highly over-complicated, and goes down with his generals like a pig in a mosque. Meanwhile, there's some good old-fashioned British derring-do in the Dardanelles, the Austro-Hungarians prepare to run away from Belgrade, and the Spectator continues being insanely pro-Russian.
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Trin Tragula posted:...extremely ambitious, highly over-complicated...
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Dec 13, 2014 20:47
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HEY GAL posted:Do these kinds of things ever work? I'm remembering Lee's Western Virginia campaign. Eh, occasionally. Grant's Vicksburg campaign comes to mind.
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Dec 13, 2014 21:07
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That Russian Stalingrad movie is on Netflix, watch it right now.
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Dec 13, 2014 21:42
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SeanBeansShako posted:That Russian Stalingrad movie is on Netflix, watch it right now. Which one, the bad romance once from a year ago or the one from late 80s/early 90s?
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Dec 13, 2014 21:45
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SeanBeansShako posted:That Russian Stalingrad movie is on Netflix, watch it right now. British Netflix maybe. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Which one, the bad romance once from a year ago or the one from late 80s/early 90s? The bad romance one, instead of the really depressing German POV one from the nineties. I just had to pause it on a scene of Red Army soldiers charging entrenched Germans whilst on fire. Russians sure do have a funny ideas over romance in their films.
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What words were used for military manuevers in medieval times? It seems like a lot of words that we take for granted, like 'charge', and 'fire' had post-gunpowder entymologies. So what did people say before then, when you want your guys to run at their guys, waving their weapons?
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Fangz posted:What words were used for military manuevers in medieval times? It seems like a lot of words that we take for granted, like 'charge', and 'fire' had post-gunpowder entymologies. So what did people say before then, when you want your guys to run at their guys, waving their weapons? Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
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Can we do a good war movie roll call please? Come and See made my girlfriend cry so I can recommend that.
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Big Willy Style posted:Can we do a good war movie roll call please? I'd put Das Boot up there as one of the best as well. Largely apolitical and pretty drat  .
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Dec 13, 2014 22:35
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Fangz posted:What words were used for military manuevers in medieval times? It seems like a lot of words that we take for granted, like 'charge', and 'fire' had post-gunpowder entymologies. So what did people say before then, when you want your guys to run at their guys, waving their weapons? The command for attack is "walk on," and "charge" here doesn't refer to attacking, it refers to readying your weapon. I'm not as familiar with musketeer drill, but I do know that in a number of languages what English speakers translate as "fire" is "pull," for "pull the lever." (It's not a trigger yet.)
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Dec 13, 2014 22:39
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From a little bit ago, but the worst army to be in in all of WW2 was definitely the armed forces of Wang Jingwei's collaborationist government.
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Dec 13, 2014 22:41
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:The Australians made their own submachine gun with a top-mounted magazine. It's a skinny looking thing. How do you accurately aim that gun? It looks like the magazine is sitting in between the sights.
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The sights are a little off to the side, so the magazine is blocking your field of view a bit, but not obscuring the thing you're aiming at directly.
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brozozo posted:How do you accurately aim that gun? It looks like the magazine is sitting in between the sights. Terrible quality video but it looks similar to the bren machine gun sights on the right hand side of the gun instead of on top.
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Big Willy Style posted:Can we do a good war movie roll call please? Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence. Watch without the subtitles for the Japanese cast. Then watch it again with.
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Dec 13, 2014 23:26
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The Unknown Soldier, motherfuckers!
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A Field In England  Alatriste suffers from the same faults as most book adaptations--it's packed full of characters and plot points that were fine in a series of books but when they rush past in a movie viewers who are unfamiliar with the source material can't keep track of who anyone is or why they should care. The Duellists--This is a short story adaptation (by Joseph Conrad!) and it does not suffer from the abovementioned problem, because it has only two main characters and the point is their hosed up psychodrama, not the plot. Has one of the best fight scenes I can think of, and the one of the best images in a fight scene, where the main characters have fought for a long time and, wheezing and blood covered, they've practically collapsed into each others' arms. Camera pans to a pair of children, watching from a windowsill. "Are they dying?" one whispers to another, so quietly you can barely hear. The Profession of Arms--I posted about this one before. Nothing happens here, really (usually, when you're watching a war movie, you want some war in it), but images from this film have stuck with me. Ride With the Devil is good. Master and Commander is good and the soundtrack owns.
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HEY GAL posted:To save on lead? The French used smaller bullets than everyone else at the turn of the 17th/18th century, and I've read a bunch of people say that that was a disadvantage for them, but I don't agree. The 6.5mm was adopted by the Japanese at the turn of the 19th/20th century when everybody was switching over to smokeless powder and modern bolt actions. I'm not really sure what motivated them to choose that caliber in particular, but smaller rounds were not really uncommon at that time. The Italians also adopted a 6.5mm, the US Navy briefly adopted the 6mm Lee and 7mm Mauser was the standard in a lot of places at the time. Eventually most people settled on rounds around roughly .30 caliber/ 7.62mm. The Japanese actually switched over to a 7.7mm in the late 30s, but Japanese industry being what it was the transition was never fully completed.
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Waterloo is decent, if you can stomach THE DUKE WELLINGTONS BIG BOOK OF QUOTES. An impressive movie, despite some of the limitations too. Plus I find movies where the Soviets and Eastern Block nations pitching to be just simply lovely. I'd seriously watch Come And See if you like war movies that are more 'OH GOD WHY WAR WHY! instead of the usual 'BANG ZOOM WAAAAAR' most of them are. EDIT: Maybe the remake of All Quiet On The Western Front, though only if you can somehow redub all the sound effects and hire some German speakers to redo the voices. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Come and See will teach you why the nazis have such a bad reputation.
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HEY GAL posted:Master and Commander is good and the soundtrack owns. It's hard to not have a good soundtrack when Yo-Yo Ma writes it.
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Anybody have a strong opinion on When Trumpets Fade? I think I first saw it when I was 15 or something, and it was horrifying.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Try Wajda's Kanal, inasmuch as it counts as a war film.
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Gargamel Gibson posted:The Unknown Soldier, motherfuckers! Talvisota. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8_hS0gqU8 Tali-Ihantala 1944. as a movie it's disconnected but all scenes are based on historical accounts and and are technically accurate. No love stories, plots, protagonists or other bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BobJlVCRINY this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhy7r6-OQXE Nenonen fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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There's alsomthe 1955 version of the Unknown Soldier. People tell me it's the proper version. http://youtu.be/ZbCe-v4Ce68
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HEY GAL posted:What makes them so unusual? There's a few things that just jump out.
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EvanSchenck posted:[*] Everything had bayonet lugs, even stuff like LMGs and SMGs that really had no business at all being used as a spear. You know, I MIGHT see how this could make sense to a theorist - if you wanted your army to emphasize the idea of aggressive, close-in action, you could end up arguing that despite the fact that bayonet lugs are obviously useless on LMGs and SMGs, their presence would remind the soldiers of the correct "fighting spirit" and attitude to maintain. In practice I imagine the soldiers just get disgusted with idiot notions that give them extra weight to carry, but for a staff officer hopped up on the idea that morale factors matters more than material factors, it could make sense. That said, I'm wildly theorizing myself. Does anyone have any idea what the actual reasoning was?
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Nuclear War posted:The HK416 carbine has lugs for a bayonet, but the bayonet for the regular sized 416 won't fit on them and noone I work with has ever seen a bayonet that fits the carbine in the system, which makes me think there actually isn't one in existence. Is this common, making guns with lugs just in case there's a demand somewhere down the line? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ2e9dzfBCo 
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Tomn posted:That said, I'm wildly theorizing myself. Does anyone have any idea what the actual reasoning was? In fact it was pretty much exactly what you said re: instilling offensive spirit.
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Big Willy Style posted:Can we do a good war movie roll call please? Full Metal Jacket Ice Cold in Alex (not really about the war, about a small group of people in the war)
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Nenonen posted:Tali-Ihantala 1944. as a movie it's disconnected but all scenes are based on historical accounts and and are technically accurate. No love stories, plots, protagonists or other bullshit. This is acutally very well made. Can't understand a word, but perkele. Illustrates pretty well why that russian tanker on iremember dreaded fighting in the woods. Are they running into one ambush after the other?
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PittTheElder posted:Anybody have a strong opinion on When Trumpets Fade? I think I first saw it when I was 15 or something, and it was horrifying. I watched it at about that age too, so I went ahead and got a copy to view again. It definitely comes across as a TV movie sometimes, which is what it was. The dialogue sounds like its lifted from a mid-range stage production at times. The characters sound over-articulate and a little bit preachy, although maybe I've been spoiled by newer miniseries from HBO, and everything in 1998 was the same. The film itself is still pretty watchable. The director, John Irvin, mostly made mediocre action films, but he did a commendable job with the cinematography, and maybe was doing the best he could with what he was given. It looks fairly well-produced given the circumstances. The military aspect of the movie has been pretty questionable , to the point where I'm convinced the writer was just working from knowledge he gleaned from other war movies rather than any reality. And this is just technical, but the stand-ins they use for German tanks are pretty funky! I have no idea what they're made from.  The lead actor hasn't been in much but I liked him. There's a character played by Timothy Olyphant, who's been doing well in Justified. And Jeffrey Donovan, who's in.... Burn Notice. Yeah. Edit: It's still a well-directed film, so I say it's a decent watch. There's one scene in particular that might stand out as "terrifying". I can say that you don't usually a see man's teeth splayed out from the front of his face on tv. Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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JaucheCharly posted:This is acutally very well made. Can't understand a word, but perkele. Illustrates pretty well why that russian tanker on iremember dreaded fighting in the woods. Are they running into one ambush after the other? The lieutenant is yelling "don't prod it against your chest!" It sounds crazy but the delivery of Panzerfaust to Finnish troops was done hastily and with minimal training, so accidents happened. The fausts along with Panzerschrecks had arrived to Finland in April 1944, so well before the operations began on 9th June, but Germans had stipulated that they would be kept as secrets - even though the AT weapons were nothing new to Soviets at that point. In fact, Soviet tankers were pleasantly surprised that the going wasn't as rough as when fighting against German infantry until after the first days, at which point they had already penetrated the first two defense lines.
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Basically this  but for a new age.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:And this is just technical, but the stand-ins they use for German tanks are pretty funky! I have no idea what they're made from. The movie was filmed in Hungary (really, they should have made a film on Frühlingserwachen and the siege of Budapest while they were there) so I'm going to guess it's a Gvozdika 122mm SPG. Same turret shape, barrel length relative to chassis and muzzle brake.
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I watched the whole movie and had no idea what was going, other that the guys with the funny language were falling back and that there's constantly ambushes. The tank stuff seems pretty well made too, comparably.
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JaucheCharly posted:I watched the whole movie and had no idea what was going, other that the guys with the funny language were falling back and that there's constantly ambushes. The tank stuff seems pretty well made too, comparably. Sounds like a good grunt pov from the Russian side.
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