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I was hoping there'd be news with 47 new replies. Nope.
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Dec 13, 2014 23:42
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Neodoomium posted:I was hoping there'd be news with 47 new replies. Michigan is "seriously considering" Dan Mullen, according to FootballScoop.com, which means Dan Mullen is out of the running
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Dec 13, 2014 23:55
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Agreed with these; I'd definitely put Florida in 1A if not FSU as well; I think Malzahn's future is the NFL
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Dec 13, 2014 23:58
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Michigan is deffo not Tier 1 atm, and I would absolutely not put Nebraska and Wisconsin in that same pool of jobs. Hell, Penn State isn't a GREAT job. It will be once all the Joebots are dead!
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Dec 14, 2014 00:15
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Sash! posted:It will be once all the Joebots are dead! which will be never because that's all penn state produces
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Dec 14, 2014 00:20
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Alouicious posted:Just because Purdue isn't competing for the national title right NOW, doesn't mean it won't be If you had to put money on it, would you bet that the University of Michigan football team would remain poor over the next two decades, or would you think they are likely to return to glory? I'd say you'd have to be pretty dumb to think that a blue blood program like Michigan (or Texas, Notre Dame, and USC) won't at some point in the future be good again. Adun posted:Maybe if Saban and Pitino weren't incredibly mediocre pro coaches they would think that it's "better" Maybe if Saban had inherited a better team than one that started Cleo loving Lemon his story at the Dolphins would end different. Who knows? But the fact remains that college and pro are two very different worlds, and people are allowed to like one over the other. There's nothing wrong with that. Jimmy Johnson has said he liked coaching Miami more than Dallas, and he was successful at both levels so it's not that unrealistic to say that to some a college job is "better".
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Dec 14, 2014 00:26
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Groucho Marxist posted:I think Malzahn's future is the NFL
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Dec 14, 2014 00:27
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Deteriorata posted:Well, there are numerous people in a position to know who insist that Les would drop LSU for Michigan in a heartbeat and has told them that personally. I hear it often enough from enough different places that it seems to have some credibility. But we have also heard this about him during both of their previous vacancies, and he has never always turned them down
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Dec 14, 2014 00:29
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BigBoss posted:If you had to put money on it, would you bet that the University of Michigan football team would remain poor over the next two decades, or would you think they are likely to return to glory? I'd say you'd have to be pretty dumb to think that a blue blood program like Michigan (or Texas, Notre Dame, and USC) won't at some point in the future be good again. considering that Michigan is run by incompetents who favor history and picnic baskets over actually good football yes
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Dec 14, 2014 00:32
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I don't think ND will ever be good again. They might ride their generally weak schedule to high rankings, but it will always end the same.
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Dec 14, 2014 00:36
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Alouicious posted:considering that Michigan is run by incompetents who favor history and picnic baskets over actually good football yes For gently caress's loving god damned motherfucking sake. It's "pic-a-nic" baskets.
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Dec 14, 2014 00:50
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Alouicious posted:which will be never because that's all penn state produces Naw, there were plenty of anti-Paterno faction people 15 years ago and there will be more and more every year. It'll take a decade or so. Things will be helped out by the part where everything fell apart with bad teams, losing records, and scandal rather than him riding off into the sunset. The "Paterno Man" will be poison and, thankfully, his coaching tree is full of garbage that no one wanted in the first place. As long as the team that's on the field is good at defense, the fanbase will be generally satisfied. If Franklin or the guy after Franklin wins a national title somehow, he'll be the new golden god-king.
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Dec 14, 2014 02:38
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What's more interesting than Paterno really is that Franklin is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. BOB was basically run out of town and they're starting to have second thoughts.
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Dec 14, 2014 04:35
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Kim Jong Il posted:What's more interesting than Paterno really is that Franklin is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. BOB was basically run out of town and they're starting to have second thoughts. ....really? Why? Wasn't he pretty great?
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Dec 14, 2014 05:20
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People kept telling O'Brien how JoePa ran things and wouldn't shut up about it, so he decided to take the first available job that wasn't Penn State. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/bill-obrien-joe-paterno-penn-state-rant USA Today posted:“You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a [expletive] what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it. skaboomizzy fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 05:27
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pillsburysoldier posted:....really? Why? Wasn't he pretty great? Because he wasn't Paterno and wouldn't kowtow to the old guard at all. Anyone with a brain in his head would have wanted BOB to hang around because that guy could work, like, wizard magic. He got McGloin to the NFL! Michigan's got its barrel of problems, Penn State's got its problems. How bad was it for Bama in the 80s? How did FSU get past Bowden with relatively light trouble? Is VT going to be a disaster when Beamer retires? How come we stopped joking about Beamer's neck-Kuato?
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Sash! posted:Because he wasn't Paterno and wouldn't kowtow to the old guard at all. Anyone with a brain in his head would have wanted BOB to hang around because that guy could work, like, wizard magic. He got McGloin to the NFL! FSU had to have a Board of Trustees member fall on a sword to get enough going to kick Bobby out, but with a great amount of foresight also did it in such a way to put together a succession plan that also kicked out all potential post-Bowden trouble spots. We also had probably the most affable, charismatic, and patient of Saban's coaching tree as the hc in waiting. A looooot of poo poo went right, to say the least
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Dec 14, 2014 05:41
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I wish there a way that Michigan could separate itself from the deification its former coaches without child rape being involved. Has there been a noticeable shift in football culture in the couple years since that whole mess went down, or was it all concentrated in the immediate fallout over Sandusky?
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Dec 14, 2014 05:48
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C-Euro posted:I wish there a way that Michigan could separate itself from the deification its former coaches without child rape being involved. Has there been a noticeable shift in football culture in the couple years since that whole mess went down, or was it all concentrated in the immediate fallout over Sandusky? When the NCAA announced it was ending sanctions early against Penn State, the students marched to demand JoePa get his wins reinstated.
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Dec 14, 2014 06:01
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Alabama at least stopped looking for their coaches among Bear's boys but it took a shitload of losing to get there. So Michigan's on the right track!
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Dec 14, 2014 06:05
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I should also say, that the fans turned on Bowden in short order too, thanks in large part to a notion I often invoke with VT fans on here. "(Bowden) hasn't 'earned the right' to waste the careers and trusts of the kids who depend on him"
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Dec 14, 2014 06:13
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I really do think that the culture at Michigan can change and is starting to change. I think that the way Rodriguez has flourished at Arizona has been a big wakeup call. A lot of the old rah-rah guys openly say that they just want someone who will win, offensive system and connections be damned. Also, in a weird way, Brandon's insanity will have helped the program because it swept away all the institutional memory through staff purges. Now that Brandon is gone I don't think the old guard will be coming back.
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Dec 14, 2014 15:25
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A very large portion of the Penn State fan base still thinks Joe Paterno got the wrong rub, there are a lot of issues with Michigan and its fans but I can pretty confidently say that if it came out Lloyd Carr was harboring a coach that was diddling kids most of the fans would freak the gently caress out and not go "Hm, we better make sure his statue stays put". Which I know is a little bit of hyperbole, but that's because Lloyd Carr doesn't have a statue. Yet.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:01
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Detroit_Dogg posted:A very large portion of the Penn State fan base still thinks Joe Paterno got the wrong rub, there are a lot of issues with Michigan and its fans but I can pretty confidently say that if it came out Lloyd Carr was harboring a coach that was diddling kids most of the fans would freak the gently caress out and not go "Hm, we better make sure his statue stays put". Yeah, but Lloyd wasn't the legend that Paterno was. Not justifying their reaction, but that isn't a 1:1 comparison. Maybe if Bo was still alive and he coached out 40 years at Michigan it might be applicable. The only reasonably comparable situation would be Bowden at FSU. There aren't a lot of coaches that fit that profile. It was/is a legit cult of personality there. I'm not justifying their reaction at all, but we don't have much to compare it to. It's creepy as gently caress no matter how you look at it. _______ On topic, but I'd never read that BOB article. That's insane. If they run Franklin off in the same fashion, they'll be doomed to decades of mediocrity.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:06
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Detroit_Dogg posted:A very large portion of the Penn State fan base still thinks Joe Paterno got the wrong rub, there are a lot of issues with Michigan and its fans but I can pretty confidently say that if it came out Lloyd Carr was harboring a coach that was diddling kids most of the fans would freak the gently caress out and not go "Hm, we better make sure his statue stays put". The better question would be how they react if it turned out Bo had done that.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:07
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It's a bit hard to compare because Bo hadn't been coaching for a long time instead choosing to go and try and ruin the Tigers, then doing gently caress all. Meanwhile Joe Paterno shambled around the sidelines for as long as humanly possible. Basically what I'm saying is that I like to think the Michigan fan base is a little bit less insane and poisonous but I guess we all can't say anything for sure.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:12
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Henchman of Santa posted:The better question would be how they react if it turned out Bo had done that. whenever someone finally goes into his untouched office, they'll discover some child-sized surprises surprises under the floorboards
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Dec 14, 2014 17:50
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CharlestheHammer posted:Why would a leak matter? I was working with Kirk Herbstriet when that all happened and he had it from the lips of the Michigan AD that it was happening and wanted to go to air withit but the they asked him not too, it got out before Miles could talk LSU about it and it basically torpedoed it because he'd made it really clear to Michigan he wanted to talk to his bosses at LSU before he made a final, final decision. But Michigan was a better job then and hadn't gone through seven years of turmoil. He wouldn't know for sure who is boss was going to be and I think he's pretty happy in LSU now. Also, if you let your HC pick your AD you're retarded an you can likely kiss a bunch of other coaches good bye if they don't like him. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 18:53
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Also, if you let your HC pick your AD you're retarded an you can likely kiss a bunch of other coaches good bye if they don't like him. I had the same fear a couple pages back, especially since one of the things allegedly driving Harbaugh out of SF is clashing with upper management. The sad truth about this possibility is that as long as the new AD gets along with Harbaugh and probably Beilein, I doubt the university will care.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:27
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Would Ohio State have had problems if Hayes hadn't neckpunched someone in clear view of everyone?
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Dec 14, 2014 19:29
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Sash! posted:Would Ohio State have had problems if Hayes hadn't neckpunched someone in clear view of everyone? Hayes had had numerous incidents of losing his temper during games later in his career - punching a cameraman, tearing up the down markers at least twice, and other less serious issues. It was largely laughed off as Woody Being Woody until the Clemson incident, which finally cost him his job. So it is likely that he would have gone on for a few years longer without that incident. I figured he would die on the field of a heart attack or stroke eventually.
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quote:Comments on the My Lai Massacre Was there any iconic college football coach that wasn't a huge rear end in a top hat?
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Dec 14, 2014 19:40
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I don't buy into the Michigan Man/Schembechler myth but it is kind of creepy that he died the day before Michigan's last game as a nationally relevant program (2006 @OSU).
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Dec 14, 2014 19:48
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Adun posted:Was there any iconic college football coach that wasn't a huge rear end in a top hat? Coach K is a legit nice guy.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:34
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Deteriorata posted:Hayes had had numerous incidents of losing his temper during games later in his career - punching a cameraman, tearing up the down markers at least twice, and other less serious issues. It's been whispered that he had some sort of undiagnosed dementia toward the end and he wasn't far from being asked to retire anyway.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:45
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Halah posted:It's been whispered that he had some sort of undiagnosed dementia toward the end and he wasn't far from being asked to retire anyway. It was diabetes.
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Dec 14, 2014 20:50
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Oh lord, Mgoblog is reporting it as "likely" now: http://mgoblog.com/content/searchbits-xv-machinations Let's have another 3 pages of the exact same argument!
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Dec 14, 2014 21:34
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Neodoomium posted:Oh lord, Mgoblog is reporting it as "likely" now: 
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" I am now getting some chatter" lol, okay there Brian. Why don't you go back to punching kids at indoor soccer games.
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