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Anidav posted:Do we know if the person is middle eastern or is there still the possibility its some fuckhead who bought an Arabic flag to get attention? Only people seen so far have been hostages, so it is possible (but probably unlikely)
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poo poo's going to be hosed in the aftermath if this isn't it? 
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Anidav posted:Do we know if the person is middle eastern or is there still the possibility its some fuckhead who bought an Arabic flag to get attention? One of the news channels said a witness said it was a middle eastern appearance in a long sleeve shirt and a black vest. There's also a video of one of the hostages putting her hand to her throat and making a throat cut. News is now reporting the terrorists have bombs throughout Sydney and want to talk to the PM. Comstar fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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ColtMcAsskick posted:poo poo's going to be hosed in the aftermath if this isn't it? Even more so than they are now? Signs point to yes. quote:Ray Hadley, a presenter at 2GB radio station, is saying the hostage takers want to talk to the prime minister, Tony Abbott, live on air. Okay, even more doubly extra hosed.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:17
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Comstar posted:One of the news channels said a witness said it was a middle eastern appearance in a long sleeve shirt and a black vest. Wasn't there a time a decade ago where every every suspect mentioned on the TV was reported to have a middle eastern appearance?
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Tokamak posted:Wasn't there a time a decade ago where every every suspect mentioned on the TV was reported to have a middle eastern appearance? Yeah, I don't trust eye-witness accounts of 'he looked middle eastern' personally.
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Comstar posted:One of the news channels said a witness said it was a middle eastern appearance in a long sleeve shirt and a black vest. Yeah, the interview with the witness seemed pretty sketchy though. He saw "one guy walking around" and everyone else was sitting down. He couldn't tell if the guy was armed, and it's not easy to see someone's skin tone if you can't see whether they're armed or not. stream is here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/
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ColtMcAsskick posted:poo poo's going to be hosed in the aftermath if this isn't it? Normal people worry about whats going on NOW.
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One of the workers in the cafe who was due to start at 10am was interviewed. He gave his name as Bruno. He showed up at 9:45 and the door was locked; it's never locked. Everyone inside was sitting down, with one guy walking around. He didn't see a gun. Then cops showed up and he had to go. He thinks he saw his manager in there, but wasn't sure about other co-workers. He called a few co-workers and some didn't answer. He's afraid to call his manager.
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Which feed is the best to watch? Channel 7 has an obnoxiously large and annoying logo scrolling over the screen.
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T-1000 posted:One of the workers in the cafe who was due to start at 10am was interviewed. He gave his name as Bruno. He showed up at 9:45 and the door was locked; it's never locked. Everyone inside was sitting down, with one guy walking around. He didn't see a gun. Then cops showed up and he had to go. He thinks he saw his manager in there, but wasn't sure about other co-workers. He called a few co-workers and some didn't answer. He's afraid to call his manager. This seems to be the only real witness so far, so anything else you hear is likely to be bs
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Comstar posted:Which feed is the best to watch? Channel 7 has an obnoxiously large and annoying logo scrolling over the screen. This one: http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/
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Dec 15, 2014 01:21
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SynthOrange posted:Even more so than they are now? Signs point to yes. Noted broadcaster of great repute, Ray Hadley.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:21
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It'll be good to hear Tony talk the terrorists down by referencing his removal of the Carbon and Mining taxes, and reducing Labor waste
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Dec 15, 2014 01:23
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I realllllly hope they take them alive.
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Just The Facts posted:Normal people worry about whats going on NOW. The widespread violence against anyone who looks even faintly middle eastern as a result of this is going to be very, very bad.
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Comstar posted:News is now reporting the terrorists have bombs throughout Sydney and want to talk to the PM.
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Splode posted:The widespread violence against anyone who looks even faintly middle eastern as a result of this is going to be very, very bad. Sorry, I'm more concerned about the people being held hostage by maniacs.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:25
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Gridlocked posted:I realllllly hope they take them alive. This has two endings: Them dead. Them in prison for the rest of their life. This is the end of that gunmans life one way or the other.
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Now if you were a terrorist and you had a choice of 2 targets to send your particular radical message from would you target - a.) A cafe belonging to a large confectionery chain. b.) A national media station. I'm going to guess these guys are in way over their heads.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:26
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Anidav posted:What?! Ray Hadley, a presenter at 2GB radio station, is saying a hostage taker wants to talk to the prime minister, Tony Abbott, live on air.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:26
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Lid posted:This has two endings: Yes but alive the least we can do is politely ask them some questions. Sure they most likely don't know poo poo, but it would make me feel better.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:27
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There's some American "expert" on the abc stream adding to the hysteria with raw speculation.
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Ewan posted:From Guardian live feed. I have no idea what his source is. Struggling to understand where Hadley got this. He has friends, including a very odious son, in the NSW Policebut he still seems to be sticking his next WAY out on this call.
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Neif posted:Now if you were a terrorist and you had a choice of 2 targets to send your particular radical message would you target - This is basically what the dude on 24 is saying right now, that he was spotted and ducked into the shop for cover and is making it up as he goes. I guess that also fits into the narrative of desperation if the raids in western Sydney this morning were actually connected. Alternatively it's not a really big coincidence that they're putting flags up in windows directly over the road from a broadcaster and they do indeed have bombs all over Sydney.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:29
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Neif posted:Now if you were a terrorist and you had a choice of 2 targets to send your particular radical message from would you target - If you look at the area surrounding the Lindt cafe there are literally roughly EVERY BUILDING apart from the Lindt cafe that would make a bigger point. Except the co-op bookshop I guess. Channel 7 News Reserve Bank of Australia Supreme Court of NSW Many many many many others. Hell two blocks from the state parlimanent.
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Neif posted:Now if you were a terrorist and you had a choice of 2 targets to send your particular radical message from would you target - There's the argument to be made that these guys have chosen a place with a lot of media, where they're targeting random people and have shut down the city centre.
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Lid posted:If you look at the area surrounding the Lindt cafe there are literally roughly EVERY BUILDING apart from the Lindt cafe that would make a bigger point. Except the co-op bookshop I guess.
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All of those Important targets have guards. This guy on abc suggested THE AMERICAN CONSULATE. Unless you had access to a tank, this strikes me as a very dumb target.
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Lid posted:If you look at the area surrounding the Lindt cafe there are literally roughly EVERY BUILDING apart from the Lindt cafe that would make a bigger point. Except the co-op bookshop I guess. all of them have better security than the lindt cafe
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Jesus Christ Hadley. True or not do you think that's even remotely responsible to broadcast?
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Dec 15, 2014 01:32
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ABC News Radio had 'terrorism expert' Clive Williams on, who confirmed that it was in fact an Islamic State flag, despite it not being an Islamic State flag. Top work guys
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Dec 15, 2014 01:32
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cpaf posted:and they do indeed have bombs all over Sydney. Do they really, though? That assertion seemed to come out of nowhere, especially given the rest of their show hasn't exactly been the most cunningly planned ordeal.
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Gough Suppressant posted:ABC News Radio had 'terrorism expert' Clive Williams on, who confirmed that it was in fact an Islamic State flag, despite it not being an Islamic State flag. Top work guys Does it really matter if its an "Islamic State" flag v.s. just a flag with Arabic writing if the whole point of them brandishing the flag is to link it to Islamic extremism?
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adamantium|wang posted:Jesus Christ Hadley. True or not do you think that's even remotely responsible to broadcast? Excuse me, but The People must be shown The Truth! *checks ratings*
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Just saw a shot of one of the Police. Holy crap, I didn't realise our police force was that militarised already.
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Ragingsheep posted:Does it really matter if its an "Islamic State" flag v.s. just a flag with Arabic writing if the whole point of them brandishing the flag is to link it to Islamic extremism? Yes, because there are many radical islamic extremist groups, with many different goals.
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Splode posted:Just saw a shot of one of the Police. Holy crap, I didn't realise our police force was that militarised already. there's a difference between 'the police' vs 'the police that get called out when there is a hostage situation'
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Splode posted:Just saw a shot of one of the Police. Holy crap, I didn't realise our police force was that militarised already. ABC News 24 is interviewing a guy from the Lowy Institute for International Policy. He's admitted to knowing as much about the flag as the newsreader, but has basically been a sensible adult giving honest, cautious appraisals of how little is known about the situation. An amazing change from the gungh-hu US guy they had a few minutes ago.
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