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kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

Human Tornada posted:

My under the sink valves turn the correct way, but clockwise is on for the knobs. It's normal for me now but when I moved in it took some getting used to. Anyways thanks for the reply.

Hmm, sounds like the usual Delta cartridges that a lot of makers use now. If you turn off their supplies and take off their handles, you can turn the cartridges around 180 degrees, so they can go either way if you want.

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Jadunk
Feb 27, 2013

King of Gulps posted:

Pretty much the definition of whose side it is is whether it is spinning your meter or not, I thought? Like, what's your motivation to fix it honestly?
On that note, I have a leak (~1 gallon/minute, in 3/4" black poly, allegedly 18" deep) somewhere down a 400' driveway that is def on my side. Does anyone have experience with leak detectors? I rented this one) and the only outlier was a pronounced ~150Hz hum localized within a 10' linear area. It's also near where a power pole splits a line off to my neighbors - could it just be electrical interference or something? So far I dug four holes 24" deep (along the general path where the neighbor thought the line was laid down in the '60s, I haven't actually hit it yet), each 3' apart, with no sign of water at all. The power line runs the length of the driveway with just the one branch. This is in the NW, 4-6" of compact gravel, sort of packed clay-ey dirt for 8-10", then sand presumably laid down to bed in the pipe.

I dunno if you've already been told this, but if you're got polybutylene you really should just rent a trencher and lay in a whole new main. That stuff is crap. That said, if it's 18" deep you SHOULD be able to hear it pretty clearly @1gpm. Maybe the line doesn't run the way the dude thinks it does?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Still having problems with the tank leaking. I'm so infuriated at this garbage Gerber toilet that I'm right on the edge of just spending a couple hundred dollars buying a new toilet.

Jadunk
Feb 27, 2013

canyoneer posted:

Still having problems with the tank leaking. I'm so infuriated at this garbage Gerber toilet that I'm right on the edge of just spending a couple hundred dollars buying a new toilet.

If you're gonna spend a couple hundred and it's your place I'd recommend going to a toto drake. I've installed maybe a thousand of the Toto Drake 1 (mostly the eco model) and have only had literally 2 complaints. Great toilet, should be able to get one out the door for around 300.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

Jadunk posted:

If you're gonna spend a couple hundred and it's your place I'd recommend going to a toto drake. I've installed maybe a thousand of the Toto Drake 1 (mostly the eco model) and have only had literally 2 complaints. Great toilet, should be able to get one out the door for around 300.
What makes it better to justify the price? Better than $90-250 toilets from the big box hardware store.

Jadunk
Feb 27, 2013

Nitrox posted:

What makes it better to justify the price? Better than $90-250 toilets from the big box hardware store.

Flush power, lack of QC issues, less maintenance required.

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009

I have 18" wide cabinets. Am I stupid to get an 18" wide dishwasher, to avoid having to gently caress up not one but two cabinets and drawers? The Bosch 500 18" model I want has good reviews and everything, but I don't know if I'm really stepping in it long term.
I live alone, have a girlfriend who may move in eventually, and don't have kids or plan on them especially soon. I currently hand wash everything.

WeaselWeaz
Apr 11, 2004

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Biscuits and Gravy.

I like turtles posted:

I have 18" wide cabinets. Am I stupid to get an 18" wide dishwasher, to avoid having to gently caress up not one but two cabinets and drawers? The Bosch 500 18" model I want has good reviews and everything, but I don't know if I'm really stepping in it long term.
I live alone, have a girlfriend who may move in eventually, and don't have kids or plan on them especially soon. I currently hand wash everything.

My house has an 18" because the kitchen is tiny. Do you even have enough cabinet space to be able to store everything you need if you got a 24" dishwasher?

WashinMyGoat
Jan 15, 2002

King of Gulps posted:

Pretty much the definition of whose side it is is whether it is spinning your meter or not, I thought? Like, what's your motivation to fix it honestly?
My only motivation to fix it is the puddle of water along the sidewalk on the street where I park and at the base of my driveway. It's been a mild winter so far, but it will get slick when it freezes. My dad and brother are going to help me dig it out and take a look after the Holidays. Since my brother works for a residential plumbing company, we can call the water department and he'll be able to send them the bill if we find the leak is on their side.

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009

WeaselWeaz posted:

My house has an 18" because the kitchen is tiny. Do you even have enough cabinet space to be able to store everything you need if you got a 24" dishwasher?

It's actually a decent sized kitchen (certainly not big though), I'm just loath to give up more than one cabinet+drawer because they chose 18" cabinet width. I could make one of those half assed partial cabinet doors but those look universally terrible in my experience, and I'd not be able to do that with the drawer really.
I wouldn't be losing space I'm using if I used one cabinet, or even if I gave up two cabinets, but I'm mostly just feeling fussy about it at this point.

I like turtles fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Dec 16, 2014

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

I like turtles posted:

I have 18" wide cabinets. Am I stupid to get an 18" wide dishwasher, to avoid having to gently caress up not one but two cabinets and drawers? The Bosch 500 18" model I want has good reviews and everything, but I don't know if I'm really stepping in it long term.
I live alone, have a girlfriend who may move in eventually, and don't have kids or plan on them especially soon. I currently hand wash everything.
My parents put a 18" Bosch into their retirement cabin last winter. They wish they did a 24" due to the layout of the racks, but also its just them 95% of the time and the washer uses a good bit less water and they live on a poorly producing well so it was a good call. You'll learn to work around the rack space in time, and it sounds like a good option for you, as you would not have to modify cabinets too much vs a 24".

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
Our bathroom shower has an American Standard Hampton bath/shower faucet:
http://www.americanstandard-us.com/shower-faucets/hampton-3-handle-bath-shower-faucet/

We are getting very little flow (1 Gal/min) out of the bath faucet and only a dribble from the showerhead. We disassembled the faucet and with the cartridge removed we are getting lots of flow. The whole shebang is new. How do we fix this? I found a video where a guy with the exact same problem ordered a new rough in valve, ironically he replaced his unknown brand with an A.S. Hampton, the same product we are having trouble with.

EvilMayo
Dec 25, 2010

"You'll poke your anus out." - George Dubya Bush

wormil posted:

Our bathroom shower has an American Standard Hampton bath/shower faucet:
http://www.americanstandard-us.com/shower-faucets/hampton-3-handle-bath-shower-faucet/

We are getting very little flow (1 Gal/min) out of the bath faucet and only a dribble from the showerhead. We disassembled the faucet and with the cartridge removed we are getting lots of flow. The whole shebang is new. How do we fix this? I found a video where a guy with the exact same problem ordered a new rough in valve, ironically he replaced his unknown brand with an A.S. Hampton, the same product we are having trouble with.

You probably have some flecks of junk in the diverter cartridge. Try cleaning it out.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

XmasGiftFromWife posted:

You probably have some flecks of junk in the diverter cartridge. Try cleaning it out.

I'll try that and if it doesn't help I'll call American Standard and see what they say. If it isn't the diverter then the rough in valve has to be defective.

edit; diverter wasn't clogged but removing and reinstalling fixed whatever was causing the problem. Unfortunately now it leaks. There is a rubber grommet that slipped off the brass and doesn't want to stay on. Maybe that it is getting moved out of place or I may not have it seated deep enough. It requires a 14mm very deep socket or maybe some specialist wrench I don't have so I'm using a regular 14mm socket and turning that with pliers.

Edit2: That diverter cartridge is hosed, I'm buying a new one.

wormil fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Dec 22, 2014

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost
I want to install a shiny, new faucet on an old sink. But here's what the current set-up looks like:



No shut-off valves! So if I want to disconnect the water supply lines, I'll need to shut off the entire house's water supply.

Is there any way to easily add some shut-off valves so I won't have to shut off the water supply just to do some simple maintenance/fix-ups, like this?

melon cat fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Dec 26, 2014

EvilMayo
Dec 25, 2010

"You'll poke your anus out." - George Dubya Bush

melon cat posted:

I want to install a shiny, new faucet on an old sink. But here's what the current set-up looks like:



No shut-off valves! So if I want to disconnect the water supply lines, I'll need to shut off the entire house's water supply.

Is there any way to easily add some shut-off valves so I won't have to shut off the water supply just to do some simple maintenance/fix-ups, like this?

Yes. When you turn off the water cut the lines and add in some quarter turn valves. Easy peasy

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost

XmasGiftFromWife posted:

Yes. When you turn off the water cut the lines and add in some quarter turn valves. Easy peasy
Good to hear that it's a pretty simple job. I assume that I'll need to use a compression nut plus a quarter-turn straight valve like this one. Does that sound about right, or am I missing something? And do I need to cut off any old piping, or can I just twist the new stop valve on top of the existing fixture?

EvilMayo
Dec 25, 2010

"You'll poke your anus out." - George Dubya Bush

melon cat posted:

Good to hear that it's a pretty simple job. I assume that I'll need to use a compression nut plus a quarter-turn straight valve like this one. Does that sound about right, or am I missing something? And do I need to cut off any old piping, or can I just twist the new stop valve on top of the existing fixture?

Get one you sweat on. YouTube it. It is easy. Make one cut and install it inline.

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002
There's an even easier solution. Get a pair of these and screw them onto the existing 3/8" compression fittings.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib
I've spent the last three days gutting part of my grandparents home and removing that awful "grey pipe" (Polybutylene) and replacing it with PEX. This stuff has leaked so many times over the year that I am totally gutting the rooms all the way to the sub floor (particleboard subfloors, yay) and rebuilding. If I could find the guys that invented Polybutylene plumbing I would probably beat them within an inch of their life with what I've pulled out of this place. What a miserable bunch of crap to install in a home. Now trying to determine if I want to re-do some of the stuff that is close by with a home run style system to eliminate all the joints from tee's for the master bath, washer and kitchen area.

What a miserable time.

Zhentar
Sep 28, 2003

Brilliant Master Genius
I'm going to be installing a new water heater to replace a failed water heater shortly. I'm going to end up with two tanks in serial (one will be a buffer tank for a geothermal desuperheater). Given my recent experience, I'd like to hook up bypasses so that if either one of the two tanks fails, it's not an emergency and I can just rely on the other for hot water. Is there a better (or just easier) way to plumb that than half a dozen ball valves?

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

mAlfunkti0n posted:

I've spent the last three days gutting part of my grandparents home and removing that awful "grey pipe" (Polybutylene) and replacing it with PEX. This stuff has leaked so many times over the year that I am totally gutting the rooms all the way to the sub floor (particleboard subfloors, yay) and rebuilding. If I could find the guys that invented Polybutylene plumbing I would probably beat them within an inch of their life with what I've pulled out of this place. What a miserable bunch of crap to install in a home. Now trying to determine if I want to re-do some of the stuff that is close by with a home run style system to eliminate all the joints from tee's for the master bath, washer and kitchen area.

What a miserable time.

A polybutylene hot water pipe broke at our house two days before Christmas. Unfortunately it goes to the addition which is on a slab so have to tear up the floor to replace it. I installed a valve temporarily until I get it done. I'm thinking cpvc will be cheaper and easier than pex?

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

Zhentar posted:

I'm going to be installing a new water heater to replace a failed water heater shortly. I'm going to end up with two tanks in serial (one will be a buffer tank for a geothermal desuperheater). Given my recent experience, I'd like to hook up bypasses so that if either one of the two tanks fails, it's not an emergency and I can just rely on the other for hot water. Is there a better (or just easier) way to plumb that than half a dozen ball valves?

Redundancy is usually done with devices in parallel, not serial.

insta
Jan 28, 2009

kid sinister posted:

Redundancy is usually done with devices in parallel, not serial.

As far as I'm aware though, it doesn't really work with water heaters because of the pressure. One water heater by necessity gets more usage than the other, but a failed water heater (with 2 in series) becomes a water heater with half the capacity rather than a double-capacity heater with half the heat.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib

wormil posted:

A polybutylene hot water pipe broke at our house two days before Christmas. Unfortunately it goes to the addition which is on a slab so have to tear up the floor to replace it. I installed a valve temporarily until I get it done. I'm thinking cpvc will be cheaper and easier than pex?

PEX is dead simple to install and I think C-PVC still requires cements to be used to secure the connections. Outside of the cost associated with buying the tools, it is pretty inexpensive as well. The crimp tool we bought from Lowes was $60, and it crimps copper fittings on 1/2 and 3/4 connections. I feel for you so much in that situation .. this has been a nightmare (the demolition and stuff), but at least it is being done and without leaks. I would have loved to have done a home run type of system with a manifold but their place is small and doesn't require much. I hate to say it but with that one burst .. I feel you will probably have to deal with much more down the road. :suicide:

Zhentar
Sep 28, 2003

Brilliant Master Genius
My buffer tank can't buffer if they aren't in serial, so it doesn't really matter which is better for redundancy.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

mAlfunkti0n posted:

PEX is dead simple to install and I think C-PVC still requires cements to be used to secure the connections. Outside of the cost associated with buying the tools, it is pretty inexpensive as well. The crimp tool we bought from Lowes was $60, and it crimps copper fittings on 1/2 and 3/4 connections. I feel for you so much in that situation .. this has been a nightmare (the demolition and stuff), but at least it is being done and without leaks. I would have loved to have done a home run type of system with a manifold but their place is small and doesn't require much. I hate to say it but with that one burst .. I feel you will probably have to deal with much more down the road. :suicide:

Luckily that is the only polyb in the house so I'm going to replace it all at once. It feeds sink, shower, toilet, and washing machine.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib

wormil posted:

Luckily that is the only polyb in the house so I'm going to replace it all at once. It feeds sink, shower, toilet, and washing machine.

Bullet dodged then, gooooood goooood goood!

Echeveria
Aug 26, 2014

Dishwasher help?

I have a Bosch SHU3032UC/U12 dishwasher. On December 20th we loaded the dishwasher and started it and went to bed. Next morning we left at 4am to visit my husband's family in another province.

When we came back on Sunday I opened it to find it half full of moldy water and dishes. I messed around with it a bit, playing with the cycles. It mostly drained out (there's a puddle left in the filter) but it cycles normally, save that no water pumps in. A little internet research told me it was probably the inlet valve, so I tracked down the part and replaced it today. It still doesn't work. I tried to locate the float, but I can't find it and I'm wondering if I have to disassemble and pull out the dishwasher to find it.

Then I'm worried it might be the control panel. I just noticed that the power light just above the start button isn't turning on, and it flashes red when I release the door handle.

Does anyone have any advice? I just paid a $400 vet bill before we left, and then a $500 dollar car bill (literally on the way to the parts shop my car died), so if I can, I'd rather do this myself. I can get the control panel, and I can pull the dishwasher out and replace the float, but I'm not sure what to check now.

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002
Find the service manual for your dishwasher model and find out what that flashing light means.

Echeveria
Aug 26, 2014

Does not say in the manual. It gives really simple troubleshooting tips like, check for clogs if it's not draining!

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Echeveria posted:

Does not say in the manual. It gives really simple troubleshooting tips like, check for clogs if it's not draining!

SERVICE manual, not the owner's manual. They are a treasure trove of diagnostic tests.

You should be able to find it online by searching on the model number.

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

Motronic posted:

SERVICE manual, not the owner's manual. They are a treasure trove of diagnostic tests.

Yep. Service manuals are the bee's knees. They also usually come with schematics, diagrams and instructions for most repairs. They're great for all kinds of appliances, not just dishwashers. Google the make and model along with "service manual".

sbyers77
Jan 9, 2004

So I was bitching to my co-worker about how it takes forever to get hot water to our master bathroom and he suggested a hot water recirculating pump.

http://www.nachi.org/hot-water-recirculation-systems.htm

How I didn't know these things existed in beyond me, but this is the exact solution to this problem for me.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a pump system? I am thinking of going to dedicated loop route and adding a hot water return home run with PEX (said co-worker has experience and will help), as opposed to those ones they sell at home depot that use the cold water line as a return with some sort of valve under the sink.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Definitely install a dedicated loop system if it's feasible to run the return piping, insulate your pipes if and where possible, and make sure you buy a system that is thermostatically controlled: no reason to run the circulation pump all the time. Another easy-to-add feature is a simple timer to control when the thermostatically controlled pump will run (you probably don't need it between 12 AM and 5 AM, for example).

Echeveria
Aug 26, 2014

Motronic posted:

SERVICE manual, not the owner's manual. They are a treasure trove of diagnostic tests.

You should be able to find it online by searching on the model number.

I realized that after I posted, then spent an hour searching for the service manual. All I could find were schematics of the parts, nothing about error codes. The Bosch website provides service manuals but my model number was not available. SO HELPFUL THANKS BOSCH. I'll keep looking tomorrow, and I'll disconnect the drat thing and pull it out and check the float and float switch. I really need a voltmeter.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Echeveria posted:

I realized that after I posted, then spent an hour searching for the service manual. All I could find were schematics of the parts, nothing about error codes. The Bosch website provides service manuals but my model number was not available. SO HELPFUL THANKS BOSCH. I'll keep looking tomorrow, and I'll disconnect the drat thing and pull it out and check the float and float switch. I really need a voltmeter.

A voltmeter would be very helpful and don't discount looking at the service manuals from similar models - very often the controls (and how to put them into diagnostic modes to check portions of the cycle) will be the same.

Zhentar
Sep 28, 2003

Brilliant Master Genius
Hot water recirculation systems always feel like a wasteful workaround for poorly designed plumbing systems to me. If the hot water doesn't have to go through long runs of large pipes to get to the fixtures, it won't take long to warm up. Though if you're in a heating dominated climate, and your pipes are within your home's thermal envelope, it's not really that wasteful.

sbyers77
Jan 9, 2004

Motronic posted:

Definitely install a dedicated loop system if it's feasible to run the return piping, insulate your pipes if and where possible, and make sure you buy a system that is thermostatically controlled: no reason to run the circulation pump all the time. Another easy-to-add feature is a simple timer to control when the thermostatically controlled pump will run (you probably don't need it between 12 AM and 5 AM, for example).

Awesome. Yeah, the pipes are currently uninsulated copper so insulating them is on my list of things to do anyway. Adding a return run shouldn't be a problem (one level with crawlspace). I am planning to basically just follow this image:



Anything that is missing? And brand recommendations for a pump?

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sbyers77
Jan 9, 2004

Zhentar posted:

Hot water recirculation systems always feel like a wasteful workaround for poorly designed plumbing systems to me. If the hot water doesn't have to go through long runs of large pipes to get to the fixtures, it won't take long to warm up. Though if you're in a heating dominated climate, and your pipes are within your home's thermal envelope, it's not really that wasteful.

More wasteful with heating energy, sure, but it saves lots of clean, treated drinking water from going straight down the drain unnecessarily waiting for the hot water to flow.

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