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Jurgan posted:How do you watch an episode about different races cooperating to create an integrated, peaceful society and read a message of white nationalism into it? How can you miss the point of a children's cartoon this badly? To be fair, to begin with bronies are defined as adult men who miss the fact that it is a children's cartoon. 
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There are a substantial number of bronies that spend more time with the porn and the fanfcition than the actual show. This is how you get such fun things as the people claiming that Friendship Is Magic is not an actively feminist show, and asserting that Lauren Faust's (the show's creator) pro-feminist article for Ms. Magazine was a drat dirty forgery. Some bronies do not deserve death. Most bronies deserve death.
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Dec 14, 2014 10:56
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It's just that they read whatever they want to into it, like the Ralph and Chuck "It's hard out here for a conservative brony" guy and plenty of others who say that MLP is pro-capitalism or libertarianism or whatever. They'd probably just say that the "black" race (the zebras) weren't in it so it isn't actually about racial integration.
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Nevvy Z posted:False dichotomy. 1) You can support (or not really give much thought to) both hunting and livestock farming. This is the position most meat eaters seem to take. It's at least consistent. 2) You can support hunting but be against livestock farming. This is the position of a lot of anarcho-primativists and green-anarchists that aren't vegetarian/vegan. It's morally defensible if you take the basis that it minimizes human-caused systemic suffering to animals while providing a better alternative to the so-called 'natural death' most wild animals get and minimizing the environmental impact that farming necessitates. 3) You can be against both hunting and livestock farming. This is the position that most vegans take. It's defensible if you believe that we have a duty to refrain from all human-caused suffering to animals, but not to prevent existing suffering that happens in 'natural' systems. It tends to also ignore the mass impact of farming in general on animal habitats, except for vegan antinatalists who also seek to reduce this. 4) You can be against hunting and support livestock farming. This is the position that many 'concerned' people take. They don't mind human-caused animal suffering as long as it happens behind closed doors and they can just pay someone else to do it. It's the path of most convenience if you want to continue doing the things you like while sounding like you're concerned, and it's not really defensible. e: vvv CharlestheHammer posted:Saying that livestock farming and hunting are the same thing is beyond dumb.  "There are only two different ways to get meat if you decide you want to eat meat" != "these two ways of getting meat are the same thing"
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Saying that livestock farming and hunting are the same thing is beyond dumb. Especially considering I really, really doubt most if any of Americans get food through hunting. Hunting is mostly a recreational sport at this point. It is the definition of a false dichotomy. Though you are technically correct in that it isn't an either or, so points there I guess. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 16:14
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CharlestheHammer posted:Saying that livestock farming and hunting are the same thing is beyond dumb. Not most, sure, but there are still a fair number of people who live in rural areas and supplement their diet with going out and shooting animals. Claiming nobody in the US hunts for food anymore is pretty stupid.
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CaptainCarrot posted:Not most, sure, but there are still a fair number of people who live in rural areas and supplement their diet with going out and shooting animals. Claiming nobody in the US hunts for food anymore is pretty stupid. Good thing no one claimed that. Guavanaut posted:
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I can't believe it agree with a LL101, but yeah, if you don't feel like you could kill the animal yourself, maybe you shouldn't be eating one.
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That is dumb as gently caress. This has literally nothing to do with eating meat. Does anyone know why people are anti-hunting? Hint: It has nothing to do with acquiring food.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:38
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It is literally the definition of hypocrisy to believe otherwise. An animal suffers for any meat production, if you can't take personal responsibility for its suffering through hunting or your purchase of animal products, you're a hypocrite.
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Getting some LL style arguing up in here. To be simple, the suffering is not the same, and just because you say it is, doesn't make it so. Even it if was, that is not the point LL is arguing anyway. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 16:43
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CharlestheHammer posted:Saying that livestock farming and hunting are the same thing is beyond dumb. That depends on where you live. I live in rural PA and so many people want to go hunting on the first day of deer season that the schools just give everybody the day off, figuring nobody is going to show up anyway. There are pretty big game lands with deer populations maintained at a good enough level for a poo poo load of people to hunt every year. In a way it's recreational sure but in a way it's almost farming. The forest lands are often deliberately maintained in pretty specific ways and the deer population managed. There is also a pretty large amount of meat on a deer so you do have a good number of people who get a significant amount of their meat from hunting. While the reputation is that your average hunter just wants to have fancy antlers to hang on the wall I don't think I've yet personally met a hunter that didn't make sure the deer was eaten. Some people actually will head off to Colorado or somewhere in that area to get a big elk or something and it will keep them full of meat for quite a while. You're right though, hunting and farming are not exactly the same.
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quote:I keep getting requests for this so I am re-posting it for y'all!!!! NO MAN ITS SCIENCE REALLY LOOK AT ALL THIS SCIENCE FOUND AT crossfitcodered.com, which appears to be a loving gym in Oregon. (and the link comes back with a blank page)
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peter banana posted:It is literally the definition of hypocrisy to believe otherwise. An animal suffers for any meat production, if you can't take personal responsibility for its suffering through hunting or your purchase of animal products, you're a hypocrite. If I'm not paying for someone else to take responsibility for suffering then what the heck am I paying for? Just because I'm not willing to hobble a juvenile diamond miner personally doesn't make me a hypocrite when I buy jewelry. Just think if it didn't work that way, we'd all share culpability for all the exploitative practices that are involved in producing our food and consumer electronics. Ha!
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Its true! Animals raised for livestock or fur live a life of torture and are killed butually and are often not completely dead before they are skinned and disembowled. They suffer far more. Much of their meat is wasted too, making their suffering as pointless as animals killed from sport hunting. Look, I'm just saying its very hypocritical to criticize hunting and not the climate-changing, starvation-creating industrial animal agriculure industry. Its even more hypocritical to think you have some high ground over sport hunters and support that industry with your dollars.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:If I'm not paying for someone else to take responsibility for suffering then what the heck am I paying for?
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Factory farms are the concept of livestock taken to a nightmarish extreme, it doesn't mean we should get rid of the practice of raising livestock entirely.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Factory farms are the concept of livestock taken to a nightmarish extreme, it doesn't mean we should get rid of the practice of raising livestock entirely. Um they are the same thing aren't you silly you hypocrite? 
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peter banana posted:I can't believe it agree with a LL101, but yeah, if you don't feel like you could kill the animal yourself, maybe you shouldn't be eating one. I doubt I'll ever be able to raise enough wheat to mill to make flour for bread, but gently caress if I'm going to give up sandwiches.
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I do agree with that because the farms I've lived on, people do kill their own livestock for their own consumption. They take responsibility for the act. That's all I think people should do.
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So everyone should do everything themselves or they can't be upset? So you would be the guy in the 1900's saying you should buy a factory if you are so upset about their working conditions?
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No, people who support an industry based on suffering shouldn't judge others who have a hobby based in suffering just offhand. Edit: well, I mean, you can judge them. You're just a hypocrite, though. peter banana fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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I was going to to an Extremely Pissed Off Right Wingers post but I saw this and I got too pissed to continue quote:Crisis actors, as described by an outfit in Denver, Colorado called Visionbox Crisis Actors, are “a new group of actors … available nationwide for active shooter drills and mall shooting full-scale exercises” who “are trained in criminal and victim behavior, and bring intense realism to simulated mass casualty incidents in public places. The actors’ stage acting experience … enables them to ‘stay in character’ throughout an exercise, and improvise scenes of extreme stress while strictly following official exercise scenarios.” I have a message from all of Boston: Go gently caress yourself.
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HOLY poo poo!! I was just playing Dragon Age mutliplayer when, out of the loving blue, this kid asks me what I think of gun laws and, when I tell him that I don't think there's any reason for someone who isn't a hunter or sport shooter to own a gun, goes off on how civilians need guns to protect themselves and have I heard about Ferguson, New York? Because that was all about gun laws. Hilarious!
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Hey, the '90s called: they want their culture war back.  Hunting is a useful, sometimes essential human activity. Some of the people involved are doing it for the wrong reasons, especially in more developed countries, where it is cheap to buy meat at the store. So what? You put people in jail when they are being needlessly cruel or when they are damaging the environment, otherwise don't pretend that dying of starvation/being run over by a car due to overpopulation is a less noble death than being killed by a hunter in season, and potentially feeding a family, or being raised in a confined space where you can barely move and then being slaughtered for meat.
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I'm pretty ambivalent toward hunting- I enjoy it as an activity to do with my father but I take no joy in ending the life of a living creature. Frankly, I'm quite disgusted by the pics from people in my rural hometown standing over their kills like trophies, the animal often still gushing blood in a grisly fashion. I don't see the pride in killing a simple being with something like a gun honestly, but hunting itself is not something I have a problem with. That being said, death by gunshot is almost certainly a more humane death than any typical 'natural' death. For many creatures in the wild, death comes from starvation, exposure or to a predator's jaws wrapped around your neck or eating your still partially alive body. There are plenty of defensible reasons to be for or against hunting, but the only logically consistent position to me appear to be the one that's also against factory farming.
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The only real bad thing about hunting is the absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture that pervades it.
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ShortStack posted:The only real bad thing about hunting is the absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture that pervades it.
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ShortStack posted:The only real bad thing about hunting is the absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture that pervades it. As long as they're providing a useful environmental service, I don't really care about their motives.
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ShortStack posted:The only real bad thing about hunting is the absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture that pervades it. there's kind of an absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture around eating a lot of meat too though.
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I am a horrible shot so I never went hunting although uncles, cousins and my now 87 year old grandfather still go hunting. But if we (any of us) wanted the meat, we at least had to help with butchering and processing the meat. I remember the first time we butchered a calf. My dad went into the pen and shot it in the head and my uncle cut its throat. As a 7 year old, it blew my mind because I would have thought that they would have given it a chance and let it try to get away. This persistent idea was the reason why I was never asked to kill any cows or hogs. Butchering and processing was fun though (more for the random old stories from my grandpa or grandma) and I learned a lot about animal anatomy as well as cooking.
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peter banana posted:there's kind of an absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture around eating a lot of meat too though.
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Everything culture sucks eggs. Do what you want.
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Deuce posted:Cinnamon Craziness This is super dangerous. Adults should only be eating a most a teaspoon a day of cinnamon or it can gently caress up your liver. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/12/25/256602581/when-is-cinnamon-spice-not-so-nice-the-great-danish-debate
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Alterian posted:This is super dangerous. Adults should only be eating a most a teaspoon a day of cinnamon or it can gently caress up your liver. Crossfit is all about damaging your internal organs, so this checks out.
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Davethulhu posted:Crossfit is all about damaging your internal organs, so this checks out. Organs? I thought it was just about really loving up your back doing 360 butterfly kip leg presses?
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Davethulhu posted:Crossfit is all about damaging your internal organs, so this checks out. "One weird trick to greater health! Funeral Home directors love it!"
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FactsAreUseless posted:There's an absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture around everything but crochet, and sooner or later they'll realize that a crochet hook is basically a second penis. Crochet goes well with that douchey nautical hipster thing that I've got going
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FactsAreUseless posted:There's an absurd hyper masculine tough guy culture around everything but crochet, and sooner or later they'll realize that a crochet hook is basically a second penis. 
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