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Mordaedil posted:I hope one day someone will make an abridged version of GT, because the actual show is unwatchable. The only thing I remember about GT really from the few episodes I saw is that the tone just felt weird. It wasn't just that it was odd to have a sequel to DBZ, but it felt like a sequel to DBZ from some other universe where everything is dark and bleak for no reason. Maybe it was the lack of Toriyama, I don't know.
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Raxivace posted:The only thing I remember about GT really from the few episodes I saw is that the tone just felt weird. It wasn't just that it was odd to have a sequel to DBZ, but it felt like a sequel to DBZ from some other universe where everything is dark and bleak for no reason. From what I remember they tried super hard to start with the tone of the original Dragon Ball but that tanked hard in the ratings, forcing a retool into a more DBZ direction that ended in the lovely mess that is GT. The lack of Toriyama certainly didn't help their chances. It's especially telling that where Dragon Ball had 153 episodes and Dragon Ball Z had 291, Dragon Ball GT only had 64. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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All you have to know about GT is that if the characters not named Goku, then that character is basically useless. I was bored and watching some clips of it regularly. SS4 goku gets his poo poo wrecked by omega Shenron and he goes back to normal goku. Goku then makes a spirit bomb and just tanks shots (while in a weaker form no less) from the guy who moments ago, just bodied him. Gotta love how they copied the ending of Buu, without any of the stuff that made the ending to Buu fun.
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Monaghan posted:Gotta love how they copied the ending of Buu, without any of the stuff that made the ending to Buu fun. I've never watched it.
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Spiderdrake posted:It also has him fuse with Vegeta, but that isn't the ending? So exactly like the end to Buu, I guess? I could've sworn SS4 Gogeta wrecked his poo poo, but that might be me misremembering what I did in Budokai 3 over what actually happens because 100x Big Bang Kamehameha is a cool way to kill things  .
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Xad posted:I could've sworn SS4 Gogeta wrecked his poo poo, but that might be me misremembering what I did in Budokai 3 over what actually happens because 100x Big Bang Kamehameha is a cool way to kill things It was the same as Buu. SS4 Gogeta was too cocky for his own good and ended up loving around the entire time, used up all his time and unfused right before he was gonna obliterate Omega Shenron. Stuff happend after that yadda yadda. Then Spirit Bomb, the end.
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GT is odd, because if you would only describe the premise of the first arc to a Dragonball fan who has never seen it, it sounds awesome. That the Dragonballs are scattered around the Galaxy is an awesome call back to the original arc, while still keeping the larger scope of Z. And it actually makes the characters proactive again, which they haven't been since Namek, which is great way to create a bigger universe. Having your heroes travel around makes it easy to introduce all kinds of enemies, without having to establish connection first. It opens up all kinds of possibilities. And by setting it a few years later, they actually have a chance to introduce a couple of new characters, like Pan or Teenage Gotens and Trunks. Or Hell, even Maron or Bra. Having them travel through space while their parents ares tuck on earth for some reason would have been hilarious. And then you actually watch the series and it is just a loving mess.
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I forget, did they give a reason why, in situations like that, Goku and Vegeta couldn't just do the dance again?
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Spiritus Nox posted:I forget, did they give a reason why, in situations like that, Goku and Vegeta couldn't just do the dance again? In Gt? I think they tried but they didn't have enough energy to do it again or something. Also it is not like Buu, Vegetto played around for a specific purpose, to bait Buu into absorbing him. Though I think Gogeta did too, something about negative energy or something, I don't really get it or care.
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CharlestheHammer posted:In Gt? I think they tried but they didn't have enough energy to do it again or something. Gogeta did it to get Omega Shenron to use his 'Negative Energy Power Ball', which was gotten by using the negativity in the Dragonballs. He then purified it by kicking it like a giant soccer ball. The reason for that apparently was because if he didn't do that then the Dragonballs would just stay corrupted. He immediately decided after that it was time to end it and prepared to explode Shenron, but the Fusion only lasted half as long as usual because they were so strong (15 instead of 30 minutes), and they broke apart. So it wasn't even Gogeta screwing around, he was just how long his fusion would last off of wrong information. The reason they couldn't refuse afterwards was both running out of power and Omega Shenron not being braindead. He let them fuse in the first place because he was boastful, but after getting trashed he refused to let them do it again, it took everyone else to hold him off long enough for them to try again, and when they did Goku reverted to Kid Mode because he had no energy left. According to the Dub, anyway. It honestly made some kind of sense, all things considered. Goku had been constantly fighting the 'Evil Dragons' at this point and had just finished fishing three individual dragons at once; Nova Shenron, Ice Shenron, and Syn Shenron (Omega before he transformed), one after the other, so him being completely exhausted and unable to fuse again at that point makes some sense. I don't know why I remember it that clearly.
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e X posted:GT is odd, because if you would only describe the premise of the first arc to a Dragonball fan who has never seen it, it sounds awesome. That the Dragonballs are scattered around the Galaxy is an awesome call back to the original arc, while still keeping the larger scope of Z. And it actually makes the characters proactive again, which they haven't been since Namek, which is great way to create a bigger universe. Having your heroes travel around makes it easy to introduce all kinds of enemies, without having to establish connection first. It opens up all kinds of possibilities. And by setting it a few years later, they actually have a chance to introduce a couple of new characters, like Pan or Teenage Gotens and Trunks. Or Hell, even Maron or Bra. Having them travel through space while their parents ares tuck on earth for some reason would have been hilarious. It also would have been hilarious and completely fitting to have Pilaf and friends chase them through space on a ship of their own, occasionally interfering with stuff and trying to steal the Dragonballs like an even more ineffectual Team Rocket. I mean if they are going to bring them back at the beginning of GT then they may as well make more appearances if we're trying to make this feel like Dragon Ball.
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Doesn't the dance have a required downtime/cooldown as well? I remember this coming up for Gotenks in DBZ.
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Zedd posted:Doesn't the dance have a required downtime/cooldown as well? I remember this coming up for Gotenks in DBZ. Yeah, it does. It takes like an hour or so before you can fuse again. It's why Gohan had to save Goten and Trunks from Super Buu.
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Covok posted:Yeah, it does. It takes like an hour or so before you can fuse again. It's why Gohan had to save Goten and Trunks from Super Buu. Although this wasn't the case in the fusion reborn movie, but then non-canon etc.
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Bushmaori posted:Although this wasn't the case in the fusion reborn movie, but then non-canon etc. Is that where they gently caress it up the first time? I think that negates the cooldown since messing up the fusion probably doesn't use up nearly as much energy or something.
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Xad posted:Is that where they gently caress it up the first time? I think that negates the cooldown since messing up the fusion probably doesn't use up nearly as much energy or something. Goten and Trunks messed up twice and they had to go through the cooldown. Goku and Vegeta aren't exempt because just because it's a movie.
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Some Numbers posted:Goten and Trunks messed up twice and they had to go through the cooldown. Goku and Vegeta aren't exempt because just because it's a movie. I think the evidence, as in what happened in the movie, points to a different answer. The 180 degree answer. Mirror image. Opposite.
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The real thing to keep in mind about GT is that it had actual good ideas, just extremely terrible execution. SSJ4 Goku has some of the best lines though.
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get hype for playable gil in Xenoverse no seriously he was datamined, it's actually in it
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Blockhouse posted:get hype for playable gil in Xenoverse The...lovely R2D2 bot from GT?
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The...lovely R2D2 bot from GT? Bingo
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The...lovely R2D2 bot from GT? You call him that but he was actually more like JarJar. I think Pan uses him to fire missiles in games.
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HGH posted:You call him that but he was actually more like JarJar. I remember that she uses him in Budokai Tenkaichi 3.
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HGH posted:You call him that but he was actually more like JarJar. Unlike Jarjar, Gil does actually do things, including saving both Pan and Goku from dying. Somehow.
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JarJar becomes a Senator
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Babe Magnet posted:JarJar becomes a Senator And he vetoes the emperor into power, essentially killing all the Jedis. His path is a really dark one.
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Man, dragonball has been the king of aborting character arcs and invalidating character development. Let's go through a whole big unlocked potential arc with Gohan and have him show up to trash Buu like a big he- haha jk Goku needs to save the day again. Or like, 2/3s of the GT cast. Uub fuses with Buu and proceeds to do nothing relevant!
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Glagha posted:Man, dragonball has been the king of aborting character arcs and invalidating character development. Let's go through a whole big unlocked potential arc with Gohan and have him show up to trash Buu like a big he- haha jk Goku needs to save the day again. Or like, 2/3s of the GT cast. Uub fuses with Buu and proceeds to do nothing relevant! Goku rules
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Goku rules Actually, Goku drools...because he's just so hungry all the time.
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Glagha posted:Uub fuses with Buu and proceeds to do nothing relevant! That sure wasn't confusing as all hell, when you saw GT before Z.
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I actually watched GT all the way through thanks to Nicktoons reruns, and overall I found it fairly acceptable. The biggest thing to me was that the nickname "Goku Time" is extremely accurate, which ties into all the missing potential aka non-Goku people are pretty much useless. Overall though, I'm easily entertained, and GT kept me entertained; it's still Dragonball, which makes it watchable by default. (No, DBE is not Dragonball.) One change I would have liked would be to have SSJ4 Vegeta show up sometime during the Super 17 fight. It makes sense (Vegeta would have Bulma working 24/7 on how to help him achieve SSJ4), it would give a non-Goku person some fighting time, and it would make it the fusion less of an rear end pull. Stallion Cabana posted:It honestly made some kind of sense, all things considered. Goku had been constantly fighting the 'Evil Dragons' at this point and had just finished fishing three individual dragons at once; Nova Shenron, Ice Shenron, and Syn Shenron (Omega before he transformed), one after the other, so him being completely exhausted and unable to fuse again at that point makes some sense.  But, that's GT in a nutshell, lots of wasted potential.On a side note, changing the names of the Shadow Dragons was one of the dub changes I really liked. In Japanese they're literally just "One-Star Dragon, Two-Star Dragon, etc", but the dub gives them pun-based names related to their powers: Nuova controls fire, Syn Shenron Haze Shenron Eis Shenron Nuova Shenron Rage Shenron Oceanus Shenron Naturon Shenron In almost any other dub I'd groan at changing names to add puns like that, but it's Dragonball, and Toryama loving loves his naming puns (Vegetable Saiyans, Freeza's cold clan, Bulma's family of undergarments, etc) so instead it feels rather appropriate. 
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I watched GT a few years ago before Battle of Gods came out and thought it sucked, I wouldn't have made it through if I wasn't watching it on background while doing other things. The only part of it I thought was good was the Baby Saga, mostly because it was closest to Z in its story arc and tone. Things actually happened in that fight even if it still couldn't match the very worst of Z. But I almost stopped watching when somewhere in the early episodes Goku and crew are on a random planet and run into some guy who is "stronger than Majin Buu!!!" who gets chumped in an episode or two. And the ending is some of the laziest animating I've ever seen; I still have a vivid memory of the Shenron flying closer sequence because they used the same clip four times for it.
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So Team Four Star keeps talking about an anime some of them had some work in, and it just came out today. "The Ambition of Oda Nobuna"? Does anybody know if it's actually any good?
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:So Team Four Star keeps talking about an anime some of them had some work in, and it just came out today. "The Ambition of Oda Nobuna"? Does anybody know if it's actually any good? It's about this dude that gets transported to Feudal Japan where Oda Nobunaga and his generals are all cute girls. so no
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So my first and only real exposure to GT was catching an episode where Goku was being forced to dance to death by some song or some crapand the narrator or someone mentioned that is was the most danger they had ever been in. I cut my losses there and have decided that all 60+ episodes of GT are just Goku dancing endlessly.
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Did anyone ever explain why SSJ4 isn't yellow/golden? You have to become a giant golden ape first to turn into it, it's another level of something that is consistently yellow in aura and hair, and it would honestly look a ton better in yellow. Seriously, SSJ3 was already moving towards ape-like/caveman-like with the massive forehead and poo poo, why not just have SSJ4 be taking it the full way? Also, I think DBGT could have been a lot more fun if, instead of Kid Goku, we got end of DB/start of DBZ age Goku. Depower him to that level, make him the weakest one, and then show him as still the best just because he's that good.
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I've never seen DBGT but from the sound of it, I like some of the ideas that it introduced. I like the idea of a Golden Ozaru and an evil Shenron created by bad karma. I like Pilaf making an appearance again. He and his gang just sort of disappeared after the King Piccolo Arc. I'm surprised Toei never gave them cameos in one or two filler episodes of DBZ. They bothered to bring back Mercenary Tao for two episodes in the Cell Arc, after all.
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Neo_Crimson posted:It's about this dude that gets transported to Feudal Japan where Oda Nobunaga and his generals are all cute girls. This is basically what I expected reading it, but sometimes what sounds terrible on paper works in execution. It's basically the opposite of what I think we can all agree on with DBGT, which sounded pretty great on paper but was terrible in execution.
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:This is basically what I expected reading it, but sometimes what sounds terrible on paper works in execution. I don't know about that last statement: this sounds bad in concept and execution. Then again, I have a deadly allergic reaction to moe.
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Covok posted:I don't know about that last statement: this sounds bad in concept and execution. Then again, I have a deadly allergic reaction to moe. Sorry, to clarify I was asking because sometimes things sound bad in concept but work in execution. This doesn't seem to be one of those things. I should have known when Wikipedia described girl-Nobunaga as tsundere.
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