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Red Minjo posted:I haven't seen this posted here, an American history comedy podcast is doing an LAPD month, and there are hilarious levels of police corruption in it: http://thedollop.libsyn.com/40-lapd-2-the-james-davis-years This is a pro-listen and The Dollop is an awesome podcast. They did a great episode about the whole Ferguson ordeal back in August as well.
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Spoke Lee posted:Ok, you didn't respond, but what the hell is this supposed to mean? Are you saying D&D likes black people too much? I don't see any way to interpret that and it reflects poorly on your soul. This is a thing on SA now: basically if you're white then you don't actually empathize with other races so liking non-white people publicly means you have a secret agenda or something see: white guilt That said, I don't speak for Cole on this.
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Armani posted:This is a thing on SA now: basically if you're white then you don't actually empathize with other races so liking non-white people publicly means you have a secret agenda or something Counterpoint: the people who think this are retarded idiots and no one should give them the least bit of attention.
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Is there any video of the incident with the two plain clothes cops at the Oakland protest?
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Bel Shazar posted:Yeah, gently caress those guys. Kaal posted:What he did was textbook menacing and if he weren't a cop he'd have already been punted through the justice system for it. You can't draw a gun and wave it around at people for being within 10 feet of you. Doing so in a crowd of people makes it an incitement to violence, as well as disturbing the peace; he could have easily started a riot with his actions. People get trampled in stampedes caused by far less provocation than a guy waving a gun around and threatening everyone around them. It was completely negligent behavior on his part, and he and his partner should never have allowed themselves to be in the position of trying to arrest a guy while in the middle of an angry crowd, with absolutely no identification, and using a gun to do it. They clearly should have withdrawn - indeed they should never have been pretending to be protesters in the first place. According to the detective, they identified themselves as police and told people to get back while they made the arrest. When people didn't get back, he pulled out his baton (you can see it in his left hand in some of the photos) and again told the crowd to step back. When they still didn't, that's when the gun came out. It was pretty much textbook escalation of force. I'm not rah-rah pro police, but this is a really stupid molehill to build your mountain on.
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Dead Reckoning posted:According to the detective, they identified themselves as police and told people to get back while they made the arrest. When people didn't get back, he pulled out his baton (you can see it in his left hand in some of the photos) and again told the crowd to step back. When they still didn't, that's when the gun came out. It was pretty much textbook escalation of force. I'm not rah-rah pro police, but this is a really stupid molehill to build your mountain on. cool, cops don't lie so lets stop discussing this
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I find their account slightly more plausible than a "freelance journalist" putting out feelers after the fact and discovering that dozens of people on twitter were totally there and saw the cops walking around telling people to loot.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I find their account slightly more plausible than a "freelance journalist" putting out feelers after the fact and discovering that dozens of people on twitter were totally there and saw the cops walking around telling people to loot. considering this entire thread is devoted to instances of police being bloodthirsty, dishonest and prone to self preservation above all else why on earth would you think that
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Your Weird Uncle posted:considering this entire thread is devoted to instances of police being bloodthirsty, dishonest and prone to self preservation above all else why on earth would you think that Both sides are subject to faulty perceptions and have an incentive to lie, but people tend to lie more when the stakes are lower and it fits their narrative. Also, the police officer's account describes a logical sequence of events that agrees with the photos.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Both sides are subject to faulty perceptions and have an incentive to lie, but people tend to lie more when the stakes are lower and it fits their narrative. Also, the police officer's account describes a logical sequence of events that agrees with the photos. How is the idea that the cops were acting like agent provocateurs which caused them to get called out as cops (wearing masks, cop boots, chanting dumb poo poo about looting) not a logical sequence of events that agrees with the photos (include the photos of the cops wearing masks at the front of a group)? Edit: Who amongst this crowd looks like they're going to loot something: 
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I already know the answer to this but could they really not find someone who doesn't look so obviously piggy to be their provocateur?
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Trabisnikof posted:How is the idea that the cops were acting like agent provocateurs which caused them to get called out as cops (wearing masks, cop boots, chanting dumb poo poo about looting) not a logical sequence of events that agrees with the photos (include the photos of the cops wearing masks at the front of a group)? Woozy posted:I already know the answer to this but could they really not find someone who doesn't look so obviously piggy to be their provocateur?
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-Troika- posted:Counterpoint: the people who think this are retarded idiots and no one should give them the least bit of attention. So like a huge chunk of the Internet, then. :p
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Dead Reckoning posted:Seriously. "I'll wear my 1980s sports apparel and the gloves they sell at the police supply store. That doesn't stick out. Also I'm like 20 years older than everyone else." According to my old man at least, protests he attended in London back in the 60s/70s were infiltrated by police who were readily identifiable by the police-issue boots they hadn't bothered to change.
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Sundayturks posted:According to my old man at least, protests he attended in London back in the 60s/70s were infiltrated by police who were readily identifiable by the police-issue boots they hadn't bothered to change. Who remembers this pic from the Montebello protests of 2007?  Couple of dudes nobody seems to know walking around trying to persuade people to riot. The unioni members and activists told them to gently caress off, and as soon as they were accused of being cops, they "rushed" the police line and were gently "arrested". When this picture got out, the cops tried to pretend that they were just keeping an eye out for violent protestors.
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It seems to be a sort of running theme amongst police infiltrators. Then again, those are the ones that get caught, so... Still. Boots and gloves, along with wearing two layers of heavy clothing, when others are walking around in t-shirts. Its such a stupid, clueless fuckup of such an easy task. They'd have been less conspicuous if they just went out there in their uniforms with a sign saying IM NOT A COP. e: I'd like to see their sting operations. Dude just walking up to people in walmart going "hey you know where i can score some cocaine? i love cocaine." Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Red Minjo posted:I haven't seen this posted here, an American history comedy podcast is doing an LAPD month, and there are hilarious levels of police corruption in it: http://thedollop.libsyn.com/40-lapd-2-the-james-davis-years Thank you for that, made it worth dredging through the people replying to trolls for that link.
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I had question that came out of the recent police conduct vs education discussion: One of the studies showed a correlation between limited college education and more misconduct that reverses with 4+ year degrees. What's the correlation between college-sports who didn't make the nationals and went into policing instead?
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"License and registration please..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nqdt4CFzcI vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE
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Dead Reckoning posted:I was responding to the idea that the cop just decided to draw on a bunch of people for no particularly good reason, but it doesn't make a lot sense that two nominally undercover officers would walk around telling every person that they meet, "Hey, you know what I like? Looting! We should loot something!" Of course it makes sense. You can't justify police action to end a peaceful assembly, but you can if that assembly becomes violent.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:"License and registration please..." In the first video, the man is seated in his car with his hands on the wheel. In the second video the man has already exited the vehicle and quickly reaches inside.
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:In the first video, the man is seated in his car with his hands on the wheel. In the second video the man has already exited the vehicle and quickly reaches inside. Hmm yes I see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Byna86HVQ&t=73s
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:In the first video, the man is seated in his car with his hands on the wheel. In the second video the man has already exited the vehicle and quickly reaches inside. I hope you're not seriously attempting to excuse what the police officer did.
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Christ, they came that close to making Bunk into a martyr. The Wire, for all the eye opening it for a lot white people, was a very pro-cop show* and killing Wendell Pierce could've had a major negative impact on fans of the show's views of the police. I'm really glad he didn't die though. *Real gangsters thought the show was broadly accurate apart from its portrayal of the police being far too positive: http://freakonomics.com/2008/01/09/what-do-real-thugs-think-of-the-wire/
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“Threaten me or my family and I will use my God given and law appointed right and duty to kill you. #CopsLivesMatter.” That's from a cop's twitter. He's getting a nice paid vacation until people forget about it. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...police-officer/ Here's a couple other things he posted:  
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The Wire, for all the eye opening it for a lot white people, was a very pro-cop show* and killing Wendell Pierce could've had a major negative impact on fans of the show's views of the police. I'm really glad he didn't die though. There is such a thing as psychological projection. The objections of the guys in this story amount to "how could anyone be that honest?" But honest people do exist. If we rule out Bunk as a reasonable character, then as a society we're left with nothing. I don't see how The Wire is particularly pro-cop. It shows cops at their best, but it doesn't hesitate to show cops at their worst: stealing money from stash houses, extorting the vulnerable for valuables, (implicitly) revealing a potential witness to a CI so the informant can murder him, illegal misuse of wiretaps (due to which, mind you, the bad guy went free at the very end)... David Simon's thesis is that our lives --all of our lives -- are growing ever cheaper. And in that sense it's not a cops versus criminals issue, it's a social issue, an issue to be addressed by socialism or social democracy.
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Jack of Hearts posted:I don't see how The Wire is particularly pro-cop. It shows cops at their best, but it doesn't hesitate to show cops at their worst: stealing money from stash houses, extorting the vulnerable for valuables, (implicitly) revealing a potential witness to a CI so the informant can murder him, illegal misuse of wiretaps (due to which, mind you, the bad guy went free at the very end)... The cops are nearly all shown to be good people who aim to do the right thing. Daniels stole money prior to the show but then became a good guy, the illegal wiretap of the 5th season was the old cliché of cops having to bend the rules for the right reasons, Herc and Carver accidentally stole money and were caught immediately for doing so. Herc was clearly shown to be a rotten apple and was consequently drummed out of the force. Baltimore PD was shown to be deeply flawed but most of the officers were shown in a positive light. Even then, when Daniels became Commissioner he didn't have to address any internal problems with BPD, it was purely stats imposed from outside that were the problem. By contrast people working in politics, business and the media in the world of The Wire were shown to far more flawed for the most part. Which isn't to say Simon endorses police brutality or thinks the police are beyond reproach, he likely just focused on other important social issues and was perhaps influenced by his former-cop co-writer and his friendly relations with the police going back to his work at the Baltimore Sun and his writing of Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets (which also shows the police in a very positive light).
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The cops are nearly all shown to be good people who aim to do the right thing. Daniels stole money prior to the show but then became a good guy, the illegal wiretap of the 5th season was the old cliché of cops having to bend the rules for the right reasons, Herc and Carver accidentally stole money and were caught immediately for doing so. Herc was clearly shown to be a rotten apple and was consequently drummed out of the force. Baltimore PD was shown to be deeply flawed but most of the officers were shown in a positive light. Even then, when Daniels became Commissioner he didn't have to address any internal problems with BPD, it was purely stats imposed from outside that were the problem. By contrast people working in politics, business and the media in the world of The Wire were shown to far more flawed for the most part. Herc and Carver didn't accidentally steal money, they found bundles of cash in a stash house and stuffed them behind in their vests. In the last season, there was a cop who straight-up robbed a kid for his chain. McNulty ackowleged that he was an rear end in a top hat, but it was in the context that they worked separate beats, and there was no way for McNulty to do anything about it. Carver develops a conscience throughout the series. Daniels has developed one prior, although it grows throughout the show. McNulty is almost amoral, Freeman is willing to break certain rules to catch a known multiple murderer. Both of them are drummed out at the end. This is not a pro-cop piece of art. The most human character in the whole show is Omar. Just because there's a distinction between this and Red Riding doesn't mean it gives the cops a pass.
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There's an article in the Economist (yeah, yeah...) this week about police violence. It is even more horrific than I expected, in terms of how many examples from all over the country it offers. It ends with the idea that every PD in America has at least one crazy cop; everyone knows who they are, but until they kill someone no action can be taken against them (and maybe not even then). That's why fundamental reform is necessary.
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/unmasking-Ferguson-witness-40-496236quote:The grand jury witness who testified that she saw Michael Brown pummel a cop before charging at him “like a football player, head down,” is a troubled, bipolar Missouri woman with a criminal past who has a history of making racist remarks and once insinuated herself into another high-profile St. Louis criminal case with claims that police eventually dismissed as a “complete fabrication,” So this has been getting posted a bunch today, is this the same person that had the diary talking about how he/she wanted to go try to meet some nice colored folk or something? edit, yep it is. She's even more insane than I thought, McCulloch had the perfect witness with her. Samurai Sanders posted:There's an article in the Economist (yeah, yeah...) this week about police violence. It is even more horrific than I expected, in terms of how many examples from all over the country it offers. It ends with the idea that every PD in America has at least one crazy cop; everyone knows who they are, but until they kill someone no action can be taken against them (and maybe not even then). That's why fundamental reform is necessary. Was it the same guy that was on Diane Rehm Friday? He was from the Economist and was heavily critical of the police tactics in the US. Diane has been on quite a tear lately as well, the Gardner case especially has her more upset than I've heard in a while. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:There's an article in the Economist (yeah, yeah...) this week about police violence. It is even more horrific than I expected, in terms of how many examples from all over the country it offers. It ends with the idea that every PD in America has at least one crazy cop; everyone knows who they are, but until they kill someone no action can be taken against them (and maybe not even then). That's why fundamental reform is necessary. The Economist is probably the most reasonable right-wing rag there is, but I'm fairly confident that what "fundamental reform" means to them is breaking the police unions. Instinctively I'm OK with that, but it raises other serious issues.
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Jack of Hearts posted:The Economist is probably the most reasonable right-wing rag there is, but I'm fairly confident that what "fundamental reform" means to them is breaking the police unions. Instinctively I'm OK with that, but it raises other serious issues.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Christ, they came that close to making Bunk into a martyr. This article reeks of horseshit, honestly.
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DrNutt posted:This article reeks of horseshit, honestly. Freakonomics is full of bullshit you say? Well, I never!
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