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I had people doing balance drills at a boxing class, because it's really imporant (and also nice when the roads are iced over) and everyone who does yoga/aikido/tai chi/dancing are awesome in those things. Which for some reason made it occur to me guys who have done American Football are really great at all drills involving moving. Fast. In good balance. Even though they are usually quite large as dudes go. Also good thing to have in boxing. best regards, I'm bored at home since sleep ain't coming
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Nierbo posted:He didn't mention. His fb message said: "I have a blue belt under Jeff Wiley who is a second dan black belt in bjj" You could call Jeff Wiley and ask. http://www.wileyjiujitsu.com/
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Thoguh posted:Are they affiliated with a black belt who comes around every once in a while, or is it just a blue belt doing their own thing? Our gym does this. Our bjj instructor is a purple belt, and we have a black belt come by about once a month and do a couple seminars, and does promotions every 6 months or so.
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Ours is similar (Gracie Barra). Purples take the fundamental / mixed classes, now and again our professor, a black belt, takes a class. Dunno what the advanced classes are like because I'm not there yet.
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A bluebelt might for all purposes and effects be very able to give a good "regular class" for all levels of grapplers, heck, even a whitebelt. The game changes a bit when you go for high level competition preparation though. edit: to make myself more clear, I know people who are not very good as fighters but really good at throwing a class for other people, and the other way around, the level of the instructor in competition matters very little in the end Ligur fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Nierbo posted:He didn't mention. His fb message said: "I have a blue belt under Jeff Wiley who is a second dan black belt in bjj" Worth at least checking out a class to see what its like, especially if there aren't any other options. He might be running the class just because there is nobody else willing/able in the area.
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Do people say "dans" for BJJ? I've been doing it for over 6 years and have only heard "degree," but most of my training has not been with straight up Brazilians. Although, Wiley doesn't sound Brazilian. I will admit, though, that I teach a no-gi and MMA class once a week and I am only a blue belt in BJJ, it's not entirely unheard of but usually they will try to stick a purple belt in there at minimum and maybe let blue's teach fundamentals and beginners classes.
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So I just had my first introductory lesson. Long story short I made an rear end out of myself by being out of shape and very bad at throwing punches. I walked in nervous as hell and left an hour and a half later embarrassed as hell. I can barely lift my arms now. It was awesome and I'm going back on Wednesday for my first Judo lesson. My instructor was very nice and patient I just hope I didn't disappoint him too much. After the lesson we talked about membership plans and he said I could do the 30 day free trial. He did try to sell a membership, but he wasn't pushy. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was the  at the price. I don't know what the price normal memberships run at, but drat.The only thing I'm really worried about is that I like to pace myself when I exercise so I don't dread the next session. I work hard, but I try not to over do it. I'm worried this is going to be another of those "Push-ups till you drop" type of places. A couple more questions: Is there a reason judo is not as popular? Most of the places I've looked either don't have it or only have it once a week. Is BJJ really that superior? Does BJJ include all the throws in Judo as well as teach you a good ground game or something?
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VulgarandStupid posted:Do people say "dans" for BJJ? I've been doing it for over 6 years and have only heard "degree," but most of my training has not been with straight up Brazilians. Although, Wiley doesn't sound Brazilian.
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I dunno about superior... In what way? They're both sports these days limited by their rules. You wouldn't call kickboxing superior to boxing because you can also kick. That said judo is even more of a sport these days than bjj and has some dumb restrictive rules like no pants grabbing. They say becoming an Olympic sport was the worst thing to happen to judo... There's also traditional judo which has punches and poo poo and is awesome but that's really not trained in a lot of places. I guess the real difference is focus: judo rules want standup game and throws. You do a clean throw and you win. There are other ways to win and get points but that's like a knockout. Bjj just wants to get down on the ground. All the judo throws are accepted in bjj but you can also do other stuff that would be against judo rules like wrestling takedowns and pulling guard etc. Just go with what looks more fun to you... Popularity is just about marketing in the end... General Emergency fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Travic posted:So I just had my first introductory lesson. Long story short I made an rear end out of myself by being out of shape and very bad at throwing punches. I walked in nervous as hell and left an hour and a half later embarrassed as hell. I can barely lift my arms now. It was awesome and I'm going back on Wednesday for my first Judo lesson. My instructor was very nice and patient I just hope I didn't disappoint him too much. After the lesson we talked about membership plans and he said I could do the 30 day free trial. He did try to sell a membership, but he wasn't pushy. Judo for the most part tries to funnel its practitioners into its own sport, and isn't really considered essential to MMA. A cookie cutter MMA fighter could get by with Muay Thai and BJJ, but of course many will incorporate boxing and wrestling as well. I would say 100-200 a month would be the normal range for a MMA/BJJ school but I've heard Judo places were a bit cheaper.
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Travic posted:I'm worried this is going to be another of those "Push-ups till you drop" type of places. Ah so Naive,  There are much... much worse things on conditioning day then a bunch of push ups.... Pyramid drills for instance.
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VulgarandStupid posted:Judo for the most part tries to funnel its practitioners into its own sport, and isn't really considered essential to MMA. A cookie cutter MMA fighter could get by with Muay Thai and BJJ, but of course many will incorporate boxing and wrestling as well. I would say 100-200 a month would be the normal range for a MMA/BJJ school but I've heard Judo places were a bit cheaper. Ok it was in that price range. Just sticker shock I guess. The reason I ask about the Judo was it sounds the most interesting to me, but the gym I was most interested in doesn't teach it. I know the OP said not to put much stock in the different styles though. KildarX posted:Ah so Naive, There was one thing he had me do that I can't remember the name of. You jump in the air then squat, fall forward on your hands, kick your legs out into a push-up position, back to the squat, jump, then repeat. That was something.
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Travic posted:Ok it was in that price range. Just sticker shock I guess. The reason I ask about the Judo was it sounds the most interesting to me, but the gym I was most interested in doesn't teach it. I know the OP said not to put much stock in the different styles though. Eh, I would say don't put a lot of stock in systems, but put some. For instance if rolling around on the floor with a bunch of sweaty men doesn't sound appealing, then No-Gi/Gi Jiujitsu maybe isn't for you, or if you think potentially getting punched in the face isn't a tolerable thing, then maybe not take up Boxing? If throwing a dude without getting punched sounds like fun, maybe Judo is a good jumping off point. For example, I don't think going to a really world class Boxing gym versus a kinda meh to good BJJ is a good decision if you have no interest in punching people. quote:There was one thing he had me do that I can't remember the name of. You jump in the air then squat, fall forward on your hands, kick your legs out into a push-up position, back to the squat, jump, then repeat. That was something. Burpees. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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KildarX posted:Burpees. Probably invented by the same person who thought up suicide drills.
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VulgarandStupid posted:I would say 100-200 a month would be the normal range for a MMA/BJJ school but I've heard Judo places were a bit cheaper. It depends on the school. Some have different costs depending on what programs you take. I've always paid above or below $100. That seems to be the standard. I would never pay over $150. Some have initiation fees though but thankfully a lot are going away from the contract bullshit because they finally realized how much it discourages people from signing up. They might give you a deal of you pay in advance, though. KildarX posted:Ah so Naive, I personally hate getting slayed for 20-30 minutes of an hour long class. Yo I can do 1000 burpees on my own time teach me technique.
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For the last drill today for my class we did a tabata. A burpee tabata. Hehe. Hehehehe. Hehehe.
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Tabatas are kinda fun thanks to endorfines and adrenaline. gently caress burpees forever. I hate it when some joker thinks a warmup is conditioning. Like great. Now I'm too high to pay attention to the technique drills. General Emergency fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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I love burpees. I love sparring too, but sometimes I prefer the conditioning classes
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Rabhadh posted:I love burpees. 
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Travic posted:Ok it was in that price range. Just sticker shock I guess. The reason I ask about the Judo was it sounds the most interesting to me, but the gym I was most interested in doesn't teach it. I know the OP said not to put much stock in the different styles though. Most MMA gyms are run as a business. In order to do so, they need a permanent space, flexible class schedules, etc and the overhead is way higher. They also tend to attract a more affluent clientel and can charge accordingly. Travic posted:There was one thing he had me do that I can't remember the name of. You jump in the air then squat, fall forward on your hands, kick your legs out into a push-up position, back to the squat, jump, then repeat. That was something. It's a burpee and it's one of the most evil inventions on earth, as you can always do one more burpee.
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Rabhadh posted:I love burpees. Crazy person. High fives.
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Rabhadh posted:I love burpees. 
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Christoff posted:It depends on the school. Some have different costs depending on what programs you take. I've always paid above or below $100. That seems to be the standard. I would never pay over $150. Some have initiation fees though but thankfully a lot are going away from the contract bullshit because they finally realized how much it discourages people from signing up. They might give you a deal of you pay in advance, though. Ok. The way they have it set up is you can either sign on up front for 6/12/36 months with a sizeable discount or pay by the month for more. I'm not sure what the standing rule is on posting actual costs here so I'm being purposefully vague. Also thanks for all the help everyone. I don't want to hijack the thread it's just a big decision and I want to make sure I do this right. 
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Most judo clubs are not for profit and are run by unpaid teachers, who do it because they like judo. They often train out of community centers, etc. Judo gyms down here are often subsidized by government grants and things too which keeps prices low. I'll be taking up judo on the side again next year because my girlfriend's developed an interest in it. I have an interest in launching people headfirst towards floors, so it works out well for me.  Travic posted:Ok. The way they have it set up is you can either sign on up front for 6/12/36 months with a sizeable discount or pay by the month for more. I would consider just paying for the first month by itself and making really sure you like the gym before you drop money on a full year.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:I would consider just paying for the first month by itself and making really sure you like the gym before you drop money on a full year. Hear hear, consider the first months (an expensive) tryout, then sign up for a full year.
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Judo is fun and you should do it with friends and relatives. I don't know if it is a Finnish thing but around here most gyms/clubs seem to be government subsidized nonprofits and ran by volunteers no matter the sport. Keeps the prices pretty low which is sweet. Way lower than what the US standards are. Sometimes living in the socialist north pays off.
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Rabhadh posted:I love burpees. I love sparring too, but sometimes I prefer the conditioning classes Yeah that's cool just keep that poo poo separate. Nothing against super turbo cardio kickboxing conditioning classes but keep it its own entity ty Travic posted:Ok. The way they have it set up is you can either sign on up front for 6/12/36 months with a sizeable discount or pay by the month for more. I'm not sure what the standing rule is on posting actual costs here so I'm being purposefully vague. I don't see any reason not to post pricing plans imo. But yeah do at least 1-2 months and then maybe sign up for 6 after that. Life/poo poo happens and you never know where you'll end up next. 36 is pretty ridiculous. Most should let you break the contract if you legitimately move but just remember you're going to have to call them about 5 times until they stop billing you ImplicitAssembler posted:Most MMA gyms are run as a business. In order to do so, they need a permanent space, flexible class schedules, etc and the overhead is way higher. They also tend to attract a more affluent clientel and can charge accordingly. lol I don't know what hoity toity gyms you're going to but having gone to different gyms in very affluent areas they're still quite competitively price. One for example in a very wealthy area is $50 initiation fee and then $110 or so for muay thai/boxing and then I think $125 for everything (jiu jitsu etc). I'm also now in downtown and I just paid $150 for 3 months (dude was cool and honored his old groupon deal) and it'll be $85/month after that. I'm just doing Muay Thai and not sure if that includes everything but yeah. I think if I want to do jiu jitsu it'll be $15-25 more. I guess if you're training some super secret ancient Kung Fu/karate that's too dangerous to spar in, akido, or Jeet Kune Do even though Bruce Lee taught like 2 people or w/e they can get away with that bs. But suburban house moms also like nice super clean gyms with brand new everything that offer yoga and don't mind paying the premium to tone their booty Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Travic posted:Ok. The way they have it set up is you can either sign on up front for 6/12/36 months with a sizeable discount or pay by the month for more. I'm not sure what the standing rule is on posting actual costs here so I'm being purposefully vague. As someone who just started up a MA again after a year long break ( and years of various stints & styles I've never committed to), keep at it, the first hardest part ( the first class ) is done! The second hardest part ( keep going consistently ) is up next, but it's really only as hard as you make it. Just to echo others - I think $100-150/month is in the "normal" range ( at least for MMA/Muay Thai/BJJ ), and if you're just starting I 100% would NOT sign up for a long term contract ( 3 years - holy poo poo ) until you KNOW you want to stay there. After a month or 2, once the "shine" has worn off and you get more comfortable going ( or at least less nervous ) and start to "click" with what you're doing, you might find you prefer one style or another. You might realize 2 months in that actually you like the style but hate the people at the gym, or whatever. You don't want to be shackled to a monthly commitment you aren't using and will not be able to get out of short of a faked doctor's note and a legal team. That said, I do like long term contracts ( 1 year max ) if I like a place, not just for the discount in cost ( for me, 1 year = $100/month ) but also because it's an extra kick in the pants to keep going regularly. Sometimes I get lazy or tired or I just want a beer or I just want to play video games, but then I'll think to myself "no, if I don't go now, I won't get my money's worth" and then I end up having a blast anyway, am glad I went and think to myself "what the hell was I thinking earlier?". Money is sometimes something that motivates me more than the desire to learn and improve myself, which is sad in some ways but whatever works for you I figure. I appreciate a gym that does a warm-up just to warm you up for whatever you're doing, then you get into technique and end with sparring. The physical conditioning you get is almost incidental to the techniques you are learning ( I think this is true regardless of what art/style you train ), so it's really cool when at the end of class that you are soaked in sweat, physically & mentally drained, and you didn't even realize it because you were having fun learning something and challenging yourself. Either way - the hardest part to getting started is over, getting the will to actually go to that first class. From here on out you will get more relaxed and look forward even more to going, just remember to not make excuses to not go consistently. The less time you spend worrying about being embarrassed or whatever, the better off you will be and I think that goes for life in general. edit: General Emergency posted:Judo is fun and you should do it with friends and relatives. I don't know if it is a Finnish thing but around here most gyms/clubs seem to be government subsidized nonprofits and ran by volunteers no matter the sport. Keeps the prices pretty low which is sweet. Way lower than what the US standards are. Sometimes living in the socialist north pays off. That's the way it is where I live ( Canada ) but it also makes it a pain in the rear end because it means you can't always guarantee a good instructor, and they have weird poo poo like you can only sign up in September. I was actually going to give Judo a try before I settled on BJJ currently, it's the one art ( except for Aikido which I just can't make myself try ) I haven't tried out yet that I think might be fun, but when it gets to be a challenge to find good instructors or classes I can actually sign up for ( and are at any other time than a Sunday morning ), I just can't be bothered. TollTheHounds fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Well done on going, you've done the hardest part, as others have said. I've been going now for 3 and a half months and I never thought I'd become quite as consumed by BJJ as I am now. I'm watching videos, reading books, thinking about it pretty much constantly. I'm going at least 3 times a week, and yeah, it gets under your blood. I was told before I went that after 1 session I'd either hate it or fall completely into it. Thankfully it's been the later. Hopefully for you too it's the same. I imagine the novelty will wear off but I'm just so hungry to learn more techniques and improve my own game day to day that I figure I'm in this for the long haul. It doesn't hurt when the people you train with are all superfriendly and welcoming. So, aye, hopefully you get on well with it.
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This made my day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dADz2E5xcmc
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Got to do some rolling instead of just positional stuff in BJJ today, was trying to be clever, baited my partner to go for a triangle while I was squatted inside of guard, and turned it into Achilles lock, forgot it was BJJ and not No-Gi I was doing and as a white belt I'm not allowed to use leg locks. Was a good idea though. 
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KildarX posted:Got to do some rolling instead of just positional stuff in BJJ today, was trying to be clever, baited my partner to go for a triangle while I was squatted inside of guard, and turned it into Achilles lock, forgot it was BJJ and not No-Gi I was doing and as a white belt I'm not allowed to use leg locks. Was a good idea though. I don't know if that was a good idea op
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Nothing wrong with a warmup but yeah. Also I don't know why 1 hour is the standard for classes. At least add 30 minutes or make it 2. I've always asked about it and they're always like "oh we're looking into extending classes" etc. Especially sucks if you have any sort of commute In other news I sparred with some like 5'5 obese dude who must have been almost 225-250 he wrecked my poo poo. Holy balls he was quick and caught almost all of my kicks. What the gently caress. Buzzkill of the month Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Huh. The standard for classes here is 1½ hours. Depending on the day it can feel a bit long to be honest. Your concentration starts to wander with the technique drills etc. Cramming everything to an hours class isn't really doable though. Maybe have two 45 minute classes with a 15 minute recess 
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