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Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

More news from Australia's Least Worst State: To the surprise of noone, the reason the Libs desperately wanted the business case for the East-West Link kept secret was because they cooked the loving books on it.

quote:

Prime Minister Tony Abbott is under pressure to redirect funds promised for the East West Link after the scrapped project's business case raised serious doubts about its financial viability.

The initial financial case for the project was so tenuous that the former Napthine government decided not to submit it to Infrastructure Australia for fear the figures "may be used as a justification for not supporting the project".

On Monday the new Andrews government released 9000 pages of previously secret documents, including revelations the tunnel would have taken 56 years of toll revenue to pay for construction costs.
Denis Napthine's East West Link would have increased congestion on some of Melbourne's busiest roads, the business case reveals.

Traffic modelling for the six-kilometre link also predicted that the tunnel would have been used by a minority of inbound motorists on the Eastern Freeway in the morning peak, with just 13 per cent of vehicles bound for Melbourne Airport or the western suburbs.

Most Eastern Freeway traffic would have headed to the CBD, Melbourne's inner north or south of the Yarra, the modelling shows. This would have increased traffic congestion on some of Melbourne's busiest roads.

Treasurer Tim Pallas accused the former government of lying to Victorians, claiming the $6.8 billion project involved a $2.1 billion black hole.

"This is public malfeasance and fraud of a massive scale. What this tells us is a government who knew that the project that they were proposing ... actually didn't stack up."

Last week Mr Abbott said he was determined to deliver the project.

Mr Pallas warned Mr Abbott against pursuing a "malevolent agenda" by withholding $3 billion of federal funding earmarked for the road.

"I hope Tony Abbott recognises that he has probably been part of the confidence trick that the former government has sought to affect on Victorians generally," he said.

Cabinet documents reveal the former government opted not to submit an initial version of the business case to Infrastructure Australia because it feared a lower range benefit-cost ratio could be used to dismiss the project.

An initial assessment from March 2013 found the road would return just 45 cents for every dollar spent. After factoring in so-called wider economic benefits - including an assumption people would work longer hours and pay more tax because of the road - this was lifted to a loss-making 84 cents for every dollar spent.

Three months later the government prepared a new business case which relied on separate projects including widening CityLink, the Tullamarine Freeway and the Eastern Freeway, and north-south tram and bus upgrades, to produce an estimated return of $1.40 for every $1 invested. These figures were spruiked by the former government in a glossy short-form business case.

The documents pointed out the Eastern and Tullamarine freeways would need to be widened to handle increased congestion caused by traffic using the link.

"While East West Link users are expected to receive considerable benefits from using the project, the other CBD-oriented traffic is likely to receive a disbenefit due to marginally increased travel times created by the additional traffic."

Former treasurer Michael O'Brien stood by the project on Monday, saying it was "desperately needed for Victoria".

"The business case shows that Victoria needs the East West Link. The cost of congestion is crippling this state and Daniel Andrews' only plan is to be a wrecker not a builder."

He said the numbers stacked up and tolling existing roads to pay for the East West Link was never on the agenda.

The Andrews government ordered the East West Connect consortium to stop work on the project on Friday, putting about 4300 jobs it was expected to create in limbo.

The state would have paid the consortium about $340 million a year in availability payments, beginning in June 2020, documents show.

The full 18-kilometre East West Link between the Eastern Freeway and Western Ring Road was needed to address Melbourne's poor east-west connectivity. The road would "change the face of Melbourne [and] ... support new patterns of economic development, residential growth and urban renewal and deliver substantial economic benefits to the Victorian and national economy", the business case states.

The eastern section would have been a short toll road at just six kilometres, with only one tolling point, and would have reduced the opportunity to recoup construction costs. Tolls would have generated $112 million a year, the business case predicts, meaning it would have taken 56 years to pay off the $6.3 billion construction costs.

Variable tolls were proposed for East West Link: $5.50 for cars, $8.80 in the peak for light commercial vehicles, and up to $16.50 for heavy commercial vehicles in the peak.

Hiking fees on existing toll roads and introducing new tolls on the Eastern and Tullamarine freeways were considered by the former Napthine government to pay for the project.

The former government had ruled out the politically unpalatable option of putting new tolls on existing roads.

Australian Industry Group Victorian director Tim Piper said the government urgently needed to consider an alternative project to boost jobs and economic activity.

"We have already been losing skills to other states and this is not going to help that situation," he said.

The Abbott government did not respond to calls on Monday.

Gough Suppressant fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Dec 16, 2014

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MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Anidav posted:

Guys I'm worried about our leftest imagination, it seems to have powers that control other people's posts on Andrew Bolt articles.

EDIT:

"Men stood on top of a Townsville shopping centre holding a racist sign in the wake of the Sydney siege"

Love that the guy in the middle didn't get the memo about covering his face.

"We'll all hold up this sign and wear stuff on our heads"
"On our heads? Got it!" *puts a jumper over his hair*

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:41

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Those On My Left posted:

Google them, they don't even sound that bad

Yeah I wondered what they were like when running basic numbers for upper house.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:41

adamantium|wang: Sep 14, 2003; Missing you

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Is there more I can read about this?

quote:

As far back as 2008, Australia�s Muslim leaders distanced themselves from Monis.

Australia�s senior Shia leader at the time, Kamal Mousselmani, called on federal authorities to investigate the fake sheik, saying he did not speak for Australia�s Muslim community.

Mousselmani told The Australian there were no ayatollahs � supreme Shia scholars � in Australia and none of his fellow spiritual leaders knew who Ayatollah Boroujerdi or Sheik Haron was.

�We don�t know him and we have got nothing to do with him,� Sheik Mousselmani said. �The federal police should investigate who he is. It should be their responsibility,� he said.

I've seen an SMH article somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:43

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Channel 7 just referred to the gunman as "Mad Monis" :barf:

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:44

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Anidav posted:

Channel 7 just referred to the gunman as "Mad Monis"

The amount of time you've spent watching Channel 7's coverage of this really justifies your avatar.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:45

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Stop watching channel 7. That said, I'd rather they emphasise that he was a lone nutcase gunman than a FULLY-TRAINED AND SUPPORTED ISIS AGENT PLANTED HERE VIA REFUGEE STATUS like the daily tele

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:47

adamantium|wang: Sep 14, 2003; Missing you

The old Australian article:

quote:

Call to probe mystery Shia cleric

The Australian
January 28, 2008 12:00AM

FEDERAL agents have been urged by the nation's senior Shia leader, Kamal Mousselmani, to investigate an Iranian man purporting to be a prominent Islamic cleric.

Sheik Mousselmani told The Australian yesterday the mystery cleric - who has been identified as Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi on his website after appearing under the name Sheik Haron - was not a genuine Shia spiritual leader.

He said there were no ayatollahs - supreme Shia scholars - in Australia and none of his fellow spiritual leaders knew who Ayatollah Boroujerdi or Sheik Haron was.

"We don't know him and we have got nothing to do with him," Sheik Mousselmani said. "The federal police should investigate who he is. It should be their responsibility."

Sheik Haron, who insulted the family of an Australian soldier killed in Afghanistan in November, was accused by Muslim leaders of being a fake cleric deliberately stirring anti-Islamic sentiment.

Sheik Mousselmani, head of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia, which represents the nation's 30,000 Shi'ites, said Sheik Haron's website - Sheik Haron Web - gave him away as an amateur who knew little about Shia Islam.

"From the way he writes his (fatwas or religious edicts), I don't think he is Shia Muslim," Sheik Mousselmani said. "And there are no ayatollahs in Australia.

"We don't follow, we don't support and we don't stand with anyone we don't know. He's not one of us."

Sheik Haron has been identified in a letter on his websites that claims he is of Iranian background and once supported the country's Islamic revolution against US "oppression".

"Ayatollah Boroujerdi was supporting Ayatollah Khomeini (leader of the Iranian Islamic revolution) and the Islamic revolution like many others who were against the oppression of the United States of America, but later the direction of the Islamic revolution changed and it was not what the nation expected it to be," the letter says.

Sheik Haron's website lists a number of letter he has written to officials and ministers, including one to former attorney-general Philip Ruddock and one to federal police commissioner Mick Keelty.

The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils president Ikebal Patel said yesterday the body's investigation into the cleric last month could not find any information on who Sheik Haron is.

"I know the community very well, and this just doesn't make sense," he said. "We couldn't find anything on the man."

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:47

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Hey, I tried watching the ABC's coverage last night but they went full ACA and put the bullshit to the max.

Maybe I should put a bullet through my TV.

EDIT:
Tony Abbott: "This has been the most difficult 24 hours in Sydney's history"

Anidav fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Dec 16, 2014

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:47

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

froglet posted:

The people at my work are crowing that recent events have proved them right. Cue "why don't the Muslim community do something / why wasn't he in gaol" and racial epithets.

gently caress.

Smegmatron posted:

Tell them someone from Sydney told them to shut the gently caress up.

You can quote me.

Tell them even someone from Queensland wants them to shut the gently caress up. I mean, goddamn.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:52

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

adamantium|wang posted:

The old Australian article:

Thanks.

Anidav posted:

Tony Abbott: "This has been the most difficult 24 hours in Sydney's history"

Wow, maybe they do have a point about how poor our history curriculum is.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:52

Memento: Aug 25, 2009; Bleak Gremlin

Gough Suppressant posted:

More news from Australia's Least Worst State: To the surprise of noone, the reason the Libs desperately wanted the business case for the East-West Link kept secret was because they cooked the loving books on it.

Pack of cuuuuuuuuuuuuuunts. Jesus christ gently caress Napthine and the Liberal future-mortgagers so hard.

56 loving years. My baby daughter would have been thinking about retiring before it was paid off.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:54

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

Anidav posted:

Guys I'm worried about our leftest imagination, it seems to have powers that control other people's posts on Andrew Bolt articles.

EDIT:

"Men stood on top of a Townsville shopping centre holding a racist sign in the wake of the Sydney siege"

They are so tough they hide behind bandannas and scarfs.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:55

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

They look younger than me which doesn't bode well for our future.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:56

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Memento posted:

Pack of cuuuuuuuuuuuuuunts. Jesus christ gently caress Napthine and the Liberal future-mortgagers so hard.

56 loving years. My baby daughter would have been thinking about retiring before it was paid off.

It gets better, immediately upon gaining office the Liberals commissioned a report on how to increase productivity and economic growth in the state. The report came back and told them, amongst other things, that they should avoid big road projects because they have terrible cost-benefit ratios. Surprisingly enough, the report was never released by the government :toot:

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Within months of becoming treasurer, Kim Wells commissioned a report. He asked the Victorian Competition and Efficiency Commission to deliver "a state-based reform agenda" � a user manual for boosting Victoria's economic growth.

It had been abysmal for two years. High population growth was masking "dwindling growth in productivity and in per capita GDP � the main determinants of growth in living standards". And the Australian dollar was set to remain high, "threatening the competitiveness of Victorian exports".

Wells knew the problems. He wanted Victoria's strengths benchmarked against those of other states and he wanted a list of options that would "yield the greatest potential benefit in light of Victoria's relative competitive strengths and weaknesses".

He wanted it within in nine months.

The commission issued a discussion paper, received 81 submissions, convened conferences, commissioned outside studies and published a draft report two months ahead of the deadline in November 2011.

Then it convened another conference, received another 37 submissions, and presented its final report to the government by the deadline in January 2012. Then nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Not only did Victoria's government not respond to the commission's report, it did not publish it. Not at all. It was as if it had never happened.

Like the Productivity Commission at the national level, the Victorian Competition and Efficiency Commission is unable to publish its final reports off its own bat. Its reports are considered to be reports to the government. But the government is expected to publish them after considering what is in them. To keep them secret would deny the public a return for the money it spent preparing them.

The Order of the Governor in Council establishing the commission even sets out a timeframe: "The treasurer should publicly release the final report within six months of receiving it from the commission," it says.

As well, "the government should publicly release a response to the final report within six months of the treasurer receiving that final report from the commission, regardless of the date of release of the final report". Neither of these things happened.

Apparently, the loophole is the word "should". Other parts of the order use the word "must". Although clearly against the intention of the commission's founders, it would be legal to make sure one of its reports never saw the light of day, which is what the government is trying to do.

By keeping it secret for 32 months, right through to the end of its time in office, it has probably buried it for good. If, as is likely, a new government is elected on Saturday, it might be unable to release it. That is because of a convention that unpublished reports delivered to one government are unavailable to its successor. The convention exists to stop an incoming government trawling through its predecessor's files.

A look at the website listing the 19 reports the commission has completed since it was established by Steve Bracks in 2004 reveals only one has never been published. It is as if the Baillieu and then Napthine governments were embarrassed by what the commission told them.

It is possible to make some guesses. An ACIL Tasman report prepared for the review found against large road projects, saying some had a benefit-cost ratio of as little as 1, "with little public information about what alternatives were considered".

In contrast, small road projects typically had a benefit cost ratios of 3. It suggested "less focus on large projects" and "more on modest projects that have a higher rate of return".

The rate of return for the East West Link is said to be 0.8. Even bulked up to include nebulous "wider benefits", it is to just 1.4.

ACIL Tasman suggested congestion charges as alternative. "The introduction of time-varying one-way tolls in the Sydney Harbour Bridge and tunnel have increased off-peak traffic and reduced rush-hour traffic," it said. "The economic case for congestion charging is strong, and the political challenge becomes easier if some or all of the revenue is channelled into road and public transport improvements."

The commission agreed. Responding to congestion by building new roads did "not tackle the underlying causes". It generally only succeeded in improving travel conditions "by small amounts or for a limited period".

"Future transport policy and planning should identify ways to work existing assets harder and provide services more efficiently as opposed to resorting to new investment as the first recourse," it wrote in its draft report.

Denis Napthine plumped for the East West Link only after Tony Abbott made it clear he was prepared to grant Commonwealth funds for big road projects, but would withhold them from (more important) big rail projects such as the Melbourne Metro. Napthine scaled back the Metro and pushed the timeline out into the next decade.

Perhaps embarrassed by the avalanche of expert voices saying it was a poor use of money, he might have felt he did not need yet one more voice, a report commissioned by the Coalition itself when his predecessor was premier.

It is an appalling way to run a government and an appalling way to treat voters who you are trying to persuade you have the best plan.

If Napthine loses on Saturday, it will be in part because he did not stand up to Abbott and in part because he did not level with the public about what his own experts were telling him about his platform.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:58

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Anidav posted:

They look younger than me which doesn't bode well for our future.

It's ok, they live in Townsville, they'll like be killed while hunting bush pigs.

Also, stop watching Channel 7. Who the gently caress watches free to air TV that isn't a boomer in 2014?

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:59

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Systematic posted:

They are so tough they hide behind bandannas and scarfs.

This would never have happened if we just banned the burqa.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:59

froglet: Nov 12, 2009; You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

Bifauxnen posted:

Tell them even someone from Queensland wants them to shut the gently caress up. I mean, goddamn.

It gets better, now they're talking about how Adam Goode's really does look like an ape.

:suicide:

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:59

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

CrazyTolradi posted:

It's ok, they live in Townsville, they'll like be killed while hunting bush pigs.

Also, stop watching Channel 7. Who the gently caress watches free to air TV that isn't a boomer in 2014?

I only turn it on for events, Usually ABC. It's mainly for the Xbox and Radio.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:00

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Anidav posted:

Tony Abbott: "This has been the most difficult 24 hours in Sydney's history"

I bet all the people involved in the Granville train disaster are glad that they didn't really have much to worry about.

Someone has slapped him in the face with a fish for this yes?

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:01

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Gough Suppressant posted:

It gets better, immediately upon gaining office the Liberals commissioned a report on how to increase productivity and economic growth in the state. The report came back and told them, amongst other things, that they should avoid big road projects because they have terrible cost-benefit ratios. Surprisingly enough, the report was never released by the government

Source for those articles? I have Facebook friend I'm converting to be not poo poo. He voted libs because he wanted this toll road and I'm wearing him down.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:02

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

The Victorian Liberals sound like loving assholes but then I remember what state I'm in.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:03

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Matthew Beet posted:

Source for those articles? I have Facebook friend I'm converting to be not poo poo. He voted libs because he wanted this toll road and I'm wearing him down.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/east-west-link-business-case-revealed-56-years-to-pay-off-20141215-127dyq.html

and

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-secret-report-napthine-wont-let-you-see-20141124-11si8b.html

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:04

million dollar mack: Aug 20, 2006; Larson ain't getting this cow.

Good to see that the thread, representative of the Straya way of life, has returned to normal.
I really hope that the guy who was shot didn't make an hero of himself

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:07

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Cleretic posted:

Wait, Victoria elected a party called Vote 1 Local Jobs? I always through names like that were relegated to languishing near the bottom, below the far-right lunatics and with the no-namer independents.

Heh the Animal Justice Party in Bendigo is two guys. One of them outpolled the best performing Green in the Upper House for Northern Victorian Region by almost 8 to 1. Go figure.

Can we not rag on Anidav for living in Qld again? It is a special basket case after all. The Victorian situation is likewise unique, the irony of the ALP's position magnified by the politics of the last two years where both majors used their numbers to avoid any legislation or debate of any substance. They did not deserve our preferences and yet depended upon them for several seats. It won't be forgotten.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:13

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Oh also the new state Treasurer straight up saying the previous government committed malfeasance and fraud seems a big deal to me but idk.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:14

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

So far, I think the police are saying the man trying to be a hero is just a rumour with absolutely no evidence or confirmation from anyone near or in the cafe.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:14

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Cartoon posted:

I bet all the people involved in the Granville train disaster are glad that they didn't really have much to worry about.

Someone has slapped him in the face with a fish for this yes?

Wade Frankum had a higher body count too although in Abbott's defence he was white.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:18

million dollar mack: Aug 20, 2006; Larson ain't getting this cow.

Anidav posted:

So far, I think the police are saying the man trying to be a hero is just a rumour with absolutely no evidence or confirmation from anyone near or in the cafe.

Hope so, but of course the media is running with it like fact. Wouldn't want to be the poor bastard who comes out and says "actually, he wasn't a hero..."

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:21

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Gough Suppressant posted:

Oh also the new state Treasurer straight up saying the previous government committed malfeasance and fraud seems a big deal to me but idk.

Now, now, let's not focus on the past. We all need to move forward :barf:

Nothing will ever happen because large scale deception and attempted fraud against the people of Victoria isn't news, it's Tuesday.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:22

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I would vote for M. Bison. Yes, Yes. I would.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:25

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Gough Suppressant posted:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/east-west-link-business-case-revealed-56-years-to-pay-off-20141215-127dyq.html

and

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-secret-report-napthine-wont-let-you-see-20141124-11si8b.html

I don't care what everyone says about you muyb, sometimes you're okay by me.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:31

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

ewe2 posted:

Heh the Animal Justice Party in Bendigo is two guys. One of them outpolled the best performing Green in the Upper House for Northern Victorian Region by almost 8 to 1. Go figure.

Can we not rag on Anidav for living in Qld again? It is a special basket case after all. The Victorian situation is likewise unique, the irony of the ALP's position magnified by the politics of the last two years where both majors used their numbers to avoid any legislation or debate of any substance. They did not deserve our preferences and yet depended upon them for several seats. It won't be forgotten.

I was more ragging on QLD than Anidav this time.

I will never not remind QLD that it's a poo poo state. NEVER

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:33

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Gough Suppressant posted:

Oh also the new state Treasurer straight up saying the previous government committed malfeasance and fraud seems a big deal to me but idk.

"Mr Andrews, what I ask you is, build this big fraud of a road" - Tony Abbott

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:39

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Matthew Beet posted:

I don't care what everyone says about you muyb, sometimes you're okay by me.

Much like Andrew Bolt, even a broken clock is right on occasion

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:40

Memento: Aug 25, 2009; Bleak Gremlin

Anidav posted:

I would vote for M. Bison. Yes, Yes. I would.

Bison for PM. Electromagnetic superconduction for everyone.

Edit: my father in law is a liberal voter. He loves his grand daughter like nothing else. I used that line on him about my little girl having to help pay off the east west link her entire working life and he got very, very thoughtful.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:44

Neif: Jul 26, 2012

Anidav posted:

EDIT:
Tony Abbott: "This has been the most difficult 24 hours in Sydney's history"

One of my work colleagues was a first responder to the Strathfield massacre.

I doubt he'd share that view. Abbott making statements like this shows what a dunce he is.

edit: not trying to compare a history of worst's/or most difficult's. Just call it a lovely day and be done with it.

Neif fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Dec 16, 2014

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:45

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
We're looking for fine Men & Women to help Protect the Australian Way of Life.

Become part of the Legend. Defence Jobs.

Abbott's always been hyperbolic. Worst government ever, worst budget ever dumped upon Australia, worst treasurer in history, worst Pink-Batts disaster in perhaps the entirety of civilisation, etc.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:52

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Murodese posted:

Much like Andrew Bolt, even a broken clock is right on occasion

I realise this is probably just out of anger at being mistakenly pm'ed many many wrestling gifs by willus who can't tell muyb from murodese in irc autocomplete, but I will still end you.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:54

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Spudd: Nov 27, 2007; Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

Oh 3 died? I thought only 2?

Unless they're counting the bad dude as one of them. I wouldn't.

# ? Dec 16, 2014 07:57

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