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Internet Kraken posted:In a game full of horribly broken items the stopwatch still manages to stand out as the most blatantly overpowered. I have no idea how you would ever lose after picking it up. One of my Lost runs ended in failure particularly due to Stopwatch, as It Lives fired a barrage of slow moving tears and suddenly fired the four-way Brimstone. There was no way of dodging it without running into tears. Still, it usually guarantees a win. Using it gets boring pretty fast, though. I don't really pick it up anymore.
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Ghost Head posted:The new familiars in rebirth are so great. They've clearly had a lot of thought put into them with respect to how powerful they are. I find so many of them useful but not run winning in themselves. Rotten baby in particular is so underrated. In lets plays I see so many people turn him down and it's always a mistake. Some are good, many, most in fact, are still absolutely horrible. Able is still a pile of poo poo, and breaks on XL rooms (he treats only the top left corner of a 2x2 room as the entire room). But yes, Rotten Baby is amazing and puts so many familiars to shame. The big difference though is that Rotten Baby fires attack flies, which work off YOUR attack stat, which means it can keep up with the damage you're outputting. The others are mostly only good if they have a status effect.
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Alkydere posted:Some are good, many, most in fact, are still absolutely horrible. Able is still a pile of poo poo, and breaks on XL rooms (he treats only the top left corner of a 2x2 room as the entire room). You could say he's differently Abeled. 
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Dec 16, 2014 14:04
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Wugga posted:You could say he's  In all seriousness, I've seen Able shine (or at least not suck horribly) in a single situation: Mega Satan. He'll sit at the top and shoot MS in the back of his head while you shoot him in the hands/face. He's still only doing minimal damage compared to what you were doing, but he's still doing something instead of shooting at a wall somewhere.
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Dec 16, 2014 14:11
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If you're patient you can also use Abel against those mirror-isaacs you find in the womb and below, but given that unless you have very specific build those are not difficult to deal with anyway it seems like a very niche advantage. At least you usually pick him in gold chests so it's not as annoying as getting crack the sky in an item room.
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Wugga posted:You could say he's I hate Abel so much.  On one run I found him in a chest, said "gently caress that poo poo I'm not picking you up" and proceeded to have him drop four more times. In a single run.  On an unrelated note, I finally had the most broken of all breaking runs (at last nabbing me Super Bandage Girl, and thus Platinum God and Real Platinum God all in one go). I had the Wafer, Habit, Sharp Plug, Scapular, Pyromaniac, Pyro, IPECAC, Fanny Pack, Piggy Bank, Bloody Penny, just... everything. After completing SBG I did a victory lap by killing Mega Satan... which went bonkers, because with my insane damage, IPECAC, Monstro's Lung, Sacred Heart, Polyphemus, Parasite, Cricket's Body, Rubber Cement, etc. each time I opened my mouth all the enemies (including Mega Satan) and myself would just teleport wildly across the room from the knockback of all the explosions. ...It was glorious.
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Dec 16, 2014 14:23
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splifyphus posted:I have seen the head exactly one time since the last patch dropped, and I think with the new recharge time I'll pretty much always prefer lump of coal anyways. 6 room charge is pretty meh but it comes in exchange for 1 shotting most bosses if you hit with 2 of the lasers.
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Internet Kraken posted:In a game full of horribly broken items the stopwatch still manages to stand out as the most blatantly overpowered. I have no idea how you would ever lose after picking it up. Suicide King without a Guppy's Collar proc. twice
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Dec 16, 2014 17:04
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This is why you don't use Suicide King cards.
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Dec 16, 2014 17:14
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I've had a couple of good uses of Suicide King. Either getting an early one on Lazarus or just after picking up the Dead Cat and I've got piss-all health anyways. But yeah, it's insanely situational.
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Dec 16, 2014 17:30
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Is the secret room glitch fixed now? I want to play the game again.
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Dec 16, 2014 17:39
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Sometimes the game just wants you to win. Eden run that started me off with Rubber Cement and the D4, around Caves 2 the D4 landed me with Ipecac, Mom's Eye, Cricket's Body and Pyromaniac. Then for good measure I picked up the hook worm and now there is no binding of Isaac, there is only chaos.
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Dec 16, 2014 18:11
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I found I could cheese the game by abusing chocolate milk's button tap quick fire mode and triple shot by spamming the screen, slowing the game to a crawl and just swimming through all the bullet hell with ease. Went through mom's heart, sheol, and dark room in super slow mo. I died when the lamb did a quadra brimstone. Got hit once, got hit when he stopped it (I didn't know he'd do that) but I was lazarus so I got another heart and won.
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Dec 16, 2014 19:40
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 Only Boss Rush left.  The Lamb run wasn't that strong, ???'s Only Friend carried me through the early levels until I found Dead Cat in a chest, then Goat Head/Abaddon etc, eventually became Guppy. Lost 2 or 3 lives to troll bombs from chests 
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Dec 16, 2014 21:06
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If you go into a curse room as The Lost and don't find Dead Cat are you hosed?
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Dec 16, 2014 21:44
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Snazzy Frocks posted:If you go into a curse room as The Lost and don't find Dead Cat are you hosed? Only if you have no other way to revive or get out of there.
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Dec 16, 2014 21:48
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The best is when you go the curse room on floor 1, get teleported to a devil room with Mom's Knife, Abaddon etc and just can't get out.
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Dec 16, 2014 21:51
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That's why you're better off just looking for the Holy Mantle first and then you can check all the curse rooms you want.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:If you're patient you can also use Abel against those mirror-isaacs you find in the womb and below, but given that unless you have very specific build those are not difficult to deal with anyway it seems like a very niche advantage. Doppels(and their demon variant) can be killed through orbitals with ease as well. Touching these guys with Isaac doesn't hurt you, only their tears do, so you can just run up in their face and let orbitals or an unfired mom's knife kill them with absolutely no danger.
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Dec 16, 2014 21:55
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Does 'Random' count for completions sake? It has a post-it but I've never selected random so it's currently blank. I just finished Normal mode with all the characters (at least 'finished' in the sense that I've got a Heart, Isaac, Satan, Blue Baby, Lamb, and Boss Rush stamp for each character.) not counting the secret character that I haven't even thought about unlocking yet.
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Skaw posted:Doppels(and their demon variant) can be killed through orbitals with ease as well. Touching these guys with Isaac doesn't hurt you, only their tears do, so you can just run up in their face and let orbitals or an unfired mom's knife kill them with absolutely no danger. I usually just drop a bomb and make them run into it.
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Yup, curse rooms deal damage so there's only three ways out that I can think of. Having extra lives, the Holy Mantle, or some form of teleportation. Well, aside from the ones you can bomb in from the side anyway.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Yup, curse rooms deal damage so there's only three ways out that I can think of. Having extra lives, the Holy Mantle, or some form of teleportation. Invincibility items (Unicorn Stump/Horn, Book of Shadows) or Shovel work as well. Well, the shovel could make a trapdoor to a black market I guess so it's risky
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Fistula ended my streak again. It sounds dumb but I think its actually the hardest basement boss because dodging all those asteroids when you have low movement speed and can't kill them fast is actually really hard. The thing that tips it over the edge though is that he does a full heart of damage for some reason. You have a lot less room for error against it.
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I don't know why you have issues with it. Just focus on one piece at a time. I've died more to loving Pin than fistula. That said, I have a much harder time with Peep than I should.
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I just figured out that the bloat doesnt fire his lasers if youre behind (above) him!
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Timett posted:Does 'Random' count for completions sake? It has a post-it but I've never selected random so it's currently blank. I just finished Normal mode with all the characters (at least 'finished' in the sense that I've got a Heart, Isaac, Satan, Blue Baby, Lamb, and Boss Rush stamp for each character.) No, random just selects a character
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Manatee Cannon posted:Well, aside from the ones you can bomb in from the side anyway. I do find it amusing that we had 1.031 then the next day, 1.032 to address any possibility of using seeds to unlock/complete anything. Yet this is still broken. I know it's been noted as a bug to be fixed, I just wish there were a bit more urgency for quality of life stuff versus people possibly cheesing things. So one question in that regard - for the 1.031 bug of being able to use seeds on normal runs to unlock things: was this around before and he didn't get it the first time? Or was that a new bug he created in 1.031?
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I did The Planet a little while ago, which was fun, because I broke the gently caress out of it. I bought Brimstone, not realizing it wouldn't give me tears, but then later got Tammy's Head from a chest...  Kinda ruins the challenge when every room is "press space bar" "win" "next room"
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Ugato posted:I do find it amusing that we had 1.031 then the next day, 1.032 to address any possibility of using seeds to unlock/complete anything. Yet this is still broken. I know it's been noted as a bug to be fixed, I just wish there were a bit more urgency for quality of life stuff versus people possibly cheesing things. It existed since release. He didn't catch it until it was discovered that people were cheesing challenges with the seed exploit. Then he found out that it applied to the regular game as well.
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death .cab for qt posted:I did The Planet a little while ago, which was fun, because I broke the gently caress out of it. I bought Brimstone, not realizing it wouldn't give me tears, but then later got Tammy's Head from a chest... On one hand it's pretty cool when you completely break challenges, but even then it's all good, the Solar System challenge was great fun trying to win it regardless of whether I succeeded or not. All about the journey, not the destination and so on.
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Speaking of broken, being Guppy on Basement II is loving great 
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I just ruined a really great d4 run because of hubris. That said, if you ever want to see what monstros lung looks like with soy milk, use the d4 while you have epic fetus.
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Quick question: If I go to the dark room, beat the lamb, but then go to kill Mega Satan after, will the game register my dark room victory? I have the full key and I'd like to do it but not if it costs me filling out my post-it note.
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something posted:Quick question: If I go to the dark room, beat the lamb, but then go to kill Mega Satan after, will the game register my dark room victory? I have the full key and I'd like to do it but not if it costs me filling out my post-it note. Yup, the victory is counted as soon as the boss is defeated. This applies to any situation where you defeat a boss which unlocks something and then die before opening the chest/entering the trapdoor/light.
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Yes, if the ending Chest drops, you can do whatever you want. Also, you can also stand to the side of the Bloat and just stand below his eye beams that he will constantly fire out. Makes him kinda easy.
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The one time I beat a boss that unlocked something and then died, the secret didn't pop until halfway through my next run. So, don't worry if it doesn't unlock immediately.
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I checked the post-it note right after and it's all good. The run overall was surprisingly powerful even it wasn't visually impressive. I got the left hand early and the contract from below, constantly got red chess so I became guppy by caves I, and then ran out of items for it give me so i started getting drops from the regular item pool in the end! (Thick mushroom and mom's contact were the two good ones)
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